When Is Enough Truly Enough?

A Question

When is false teaching and false prophecy allowable? Or is it?  Is it possible for a believer to fall away, losing their salvation because of false teachers? Or is it all allowed because God is one of mercy, love and grace, who will restore them back to Himself in due time?  If there is in fact demonic transference, at what point does this take place? In laying on of hands? In agreement with false teaching? In following after the elitist teachers and not following after the God of our salvation? Or maybe demons don’t have anything to do with what we are seeing today. Maybe it is only of the flesh or foolishness of man, nothing much to be concerned about.

Can I sit under the false teaching, follow the guidance and advice of a false prophet, participate in charismania craziness – changing the atmosphere with my words, speaking things into existence, in fire tunnels, in manifestations, falling to the floor, shaking, buzzing with electricity from an unseen force, giddy with the joy of uncontrollable laughter, or in sorrow for the lost in uncontrollable tears; making trips to the third heaven and other out of body experiences, leaving behind the true teaching of the bible, and one day still walk through the pearly gates?

At what point is enough really enough and time to get out, or can I just stay and have my fun? After all, my leaders say their church is a portal for God’s outpouring and they are anointed and gifted having had revelation of hidden knowledge for such a time as this.  God is doing a new thing! We are under a mandate!  It’s the new wine!  God is powerful; He can do anything and we can’t keep Him in a box because we don’t understand. All these leaders pray in Jesus name and say that He has come in the flesh. So, what’s the harm?

Hmmm….What say you?  What does the word say?  Anyone want to kick this around?

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19 thoughts on “When Is Enough Truly Enough?

  1. I have learned never to say never but I INTEND never to set foot in a charismatic church again. Im staying safe in the reformed church. Id rather it be dead honest teaching than heresy with emotion (:

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    • Is that because of your experience in the excess of wof? Is it safer to throw out the gifts all together than to risk the false? I respect what you have been through and I also know you have lots to offer others in this area. So, I am partly curious for the group’s sake, but also because I struggle in this area myself. So I am wondering your thoughts if you are willing to go there.

      Thanks 🙂

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    • AMEN! Such a shame that charismania has made it so when a christian goes to church and has to test every little thing around them; even being fearful to enter into “worship” for fear someone is trying to manipulate emotions and the whole service. (Just one reason I don’t attend church)

      Maybe I just need to get out my guitar and worship in the privacy of my home.

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  2. Psalm 127: 1 Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.

    John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

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  3. Dare i say that not all charismatic ‘churches’ have false or dangerous teaching, or seducing spirits. There may be smaller groups which could be labelled ‘charismatic’ which are quite good.

    I don’t know which is more dangerous: charismania or cessasionism, they both err from the narrow way.

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    • Yes, there should be charismatic – all the gifts of the Spirit in operation as there are no scriptures to back up the idea that the gifts have ceased.

      But in this scenario we are dealing with the extra-biblical teaching of charismania; a very wide open playing field where most anything goes.

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  4. Mkayla
    After finally having the scales removed a little while ago, i believe i am becoming what i thought id never be, dogmatic.Things are not grey anymore,the’re black and white.If Jesus never compromised on the gospel , then why should we?
    I think Paul addresses this in a definitive way in Galations 1:6

    I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
    As we have said before, so now i say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

    I guess the standard that i have adopted would be to ” test all things” and to discern as much as possible what comes before me, it doesn’t mean i get it right all the time , but far better to err on the side of caution than to jump in and find your running with the pigs.
    John Edwards made a comment about staying safe in the Reformed church,having grown up in the same church and been taught what i believe is very sound doctrine, one issue i do have with them is their belief on infant baptism, this despite irrefutable evidence for believers baptism.This is not something i want to turn into a raging debate, but to highlight the fact that no matter where you find yourself, there will inevitably be some kind of error, or worse, false teaching.

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  5. Mkayla
    That is a very difficult question to answer.Only God knows our heart and judges accordingly.Will God reject those who sincerly love Him , but don’t fully understand the scriptures? again , its a difficult one to answer.
    Iam reminded of Luke 12:48

    For every one to whom much is given, from him much will be required;and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

    Despite the fact that our WOF friends regard this as speaking about money, i believe this to be about knowledge and understanding.
    On the other hand , there is no one who is without excuse.All believers have access to the Word of God and the truth that lies therein, and if we are led by the Spirit then we are also convicted of our sin.
    I don’t know if this answers your question, but maybe it throws a few relevant issues out there.
    God Bless

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    • I think it is a very good answer Ray! I put this article up because I have been faced with that question from others – what’s the harm? I wasn’t asking because I needed to know, but because others who come here may. Now that we have had the blinders pulled off we can enlighten others. I very much appreciate your patience and thoughtful contribution, as always.

      1 Timothy 2:24-26 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

      God bless you my friend as you continue to uphold the name of Jesus!

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  6. In Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Take heed that no one deceives you.”

    How can we heed His advice if we don’t question by use of the word what is being spoken and taught?

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  7. I’ll highlight here the excerpts of the comments above which perfectly reflect my position, as I could not have put it into better words myself:
    Ian said, “Dare i say that not all charismatic ‘churches’ have false or dangerous teaching, or seducing spirits. There may be smaller groups which could be labelled ‘charismatic’ which are quite good. I don’t know which is more dangerous: charismania or cessasionism, they both err from the narrow way.”
    M’Kayla said, “Yes, there should be charismatic – all the gifts of the Spirit in operation as there are no scriptures to back up the idea that the gifts have ceased.”
    And this one, partially: Ray said, “to highlight the fact that no matter where you find yourself, there will inevitably be some kind of error, or worse, false teaching.” I have found that to be my experience so far, although I would hope that this might not be true 100% of the time, nor in 100% of the cases, because, after all, there might still be sound teaching SOMEWHERE, we pray…
    With all this said, bottom line is “test all things,” and ask for discernment at all times. And let’s pray that we may rightly divide the Word of truth, so we ourselves may never lead others into error.

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    • I had a lesson this morning. After everything, I thought I had learned!!!

      Anytime the word is being read out loud to us we need to get our bible and read along to make sure the words spoken are actually the word of God. This is not a time to relax or “take in” what is being spoken, but a time to be diligent to see if the words are the truth. I failed to do this today. The person was reading from The Message and not the true word. When I got home we searched through the computer for the passage from The Message so that we could read and compare with our own bible. We found the references to God, which in the NKJV was speaking in the third person, “He”,were completely removed from the passage in The Message. If we take God out of His own book, what has that done? This, from a Isaiah, a book of prophecy, leveled to nothing more than a book of common sense…???? Not much different than those who read from the NKJV or NIV, yet twist the meaning!!! The Message is not the true word of God and needs to be tossed quickly into the FIRE! It has no true place in a Christian’s life!

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  8. Mkayla
    My sentiments entirely on this terrible paraphrase.It should come as no surprise to any one here that Eugene Petersen is regarded in emergent circles as one of the “fathers ” of this “conversation” , as they would say.I read somewhere where someone had written an article, using many different bible translations, and in the bibliography where they were abbreviated eg NKJV, NAS , NIV , KJV, the Message was abbreviated ” Mess” , a very apt summation indeed.
    Just getting back here to the topic of false teaching, an attitude that I have encounted , and no doubt others have also, is where christians have said it is enough to know that Jesus loves me , and all that doctrine stuff we’ll sort out when we get to heaven.In fact, i would go so far to say that any sort of teaching or discussion on doctrine is avoided outright, its too divisive, and so now we have the Joel Osteen fairy floss gospel.I can feel my blood starting to boil as I type this.I think you get the direction in which this is headed.
    God Bless

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    • It’s too divisive..why? Because they don’t want to know the truth and do what they are told? I was reading some comments made by E Peterson and his reasons for The Message. He said that people needed a “fresh perspective” and have grown tired of hearing the same thing over and over. UNBELIEVABLE! As it turns out, the training he has claimed to have had in the languages and such does not hold up. The man is not even qualified.

      Joel Osteen will stand in the pulpit and preach the fairy floss because he does not think he is called to preach the real thing. But he will take the money and the prestige just the same! OH! I am sure these are the types that will find redemption in books and movies such as Twilight and New Moon where they compare the attributes of Jesus Christ with a vampire!!

      Where is the fear of God? Where is the fear of error? Yes, I get the direction!

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