I came across this today posted on Apprising Ministries. I am putting this up for 2 reasons. The first, it aint over, and the second, and most important is that I really appreciate the way Bud took the time to break out the false claims of Bentley against the truth of the word. I also liked that he did not write out the scriptures he quoted, making it necessary for Bentley to actually crack the bible open and read it for himself. (us too!)
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him whom we must give account.
Having had false visions of Jesus Christ myself, this is most helpful. It scares the you-know-what outta me, maybe literally –hell– and reminds me that I remain a sinner saved by the grace and shed blood of Jesus Christ. And anytime I’d like to step away and think I’m all that, here’s the reminder I had better not.
All praise and glory to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.
Six Simple Questions for Todd Bentley
by Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
October 22, 2009
Maybe it was just a glitch in Todd Bentley’s computer. Or, maybe Bentley accidentally hit delete instead of post. Or, maybe Bentley actually read the comments and chose to hit delete before his followers had a chance to read them.
Whatever the case may be, stuff disappears, including the following October 19 comments on “The Todd Bentley Blog” at http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog :
On your blog in your “Welcome to the website” page, you state that “The purpose of my blog is to share with you my personal thoughts, feelings, status, revelations, and updates on the ministry and restoration” (“The Todd Bentley Blog” at http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog/?p=3 ).
I would appreciate your sharing your personal thoughts, feelings, status, revelations, and updates on the following six simple questions.
1. Over the years you have claimed multiple visitations from Jesus Christ. However, in Matthew 24:23 & 26, the Jesus of the Bible warned: “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him” and “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.”
Question: In light of what Jesus said and 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, who do you think is right, you or Jesus?
2. On June 7, 2008, you read a “prophetic word” from Wendy Alec publicly to your viewing audience, and said that the “Lord” had spoken to Wendy and that “Jesus Christ” would visit the Lakeland revival “in person” on Sunday, June 8, 2008 ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/WendyAlec1.htm ).
Question: Since the prophecy was a dismal failure, do you feel you should repent and apologize publicly?
3. On page 27 of your January 2008 book, Journey Into The Miraculous, you claim you encountered a giant, muscle-bound “Jesus” during a vision/trance
Question: Does your vision/trance agree or disagree with Isaiah 53:2?
4. On page 67 of your October 2008 book, Kingdom Rising: Making the Kingdom Real in Your Life, you claim that during a mission trip you and your team encountered drug addicts and gangsters while preaching in the ghettos of South Africa ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley13.htm ).
When the gangsters disagreed with you, you state that “I guarantee that if God doesn’t touch you, that I will say that God isn’t real.”
Question: In light of Psalm 10:4, Psalm 14:1, and Psalm 53:1, what are your personal thoughts on your statement?
5. On page 67 of your book, Kingdom Rising: Making the Kingdom Real in
Your Life, you state that “We can preach the Gospel all day long, but that won’t win souls.”
Question: In light of 1 Corinthians 9:19-24, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Timothy 4:1-2, Romans 1:16-17, and Romans 10:14, do you still maintain that “We can preach the Gospel all day long, but that won’t win souls”?
6. Finally, on page 162 of your book, Journey Into The Miraculous, you state that “I thank God for my friendship with Patricia [King], and for how God used her as an instrument to ordain me into the ministry–but I always will know that the call came from God. I’ve since been ordained in Canada by my local church, and through the Christian Minister’s Association. In the U.S., I’m recognized as a minister of the Gospel through World Ministry Fellowship in Texas” ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley12.htm ).
But according to a top official from the Christian Ministers Association (CMA), you were not ordained through the CMA, and have never been a member of that association. Also, as of April 7, 2009, your membership “papers” in the World Ministry Fellowship (WMF) were removed.
Question: Are there any current “revelations” or “updates” about your ordinations you care to share?
Thank you, Todd. I look forward to your reply at your earliest possible convenience.
Sincerely in Christ,
Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
When anyone claims to have visitations from Jesus Christ, it is important for Christians to read, study, and remember what God’s written word has to say about it (please refer to When Will Jesus Christ Return? ).
Despite the overwhelming Biblical evidence against Todd Bentley’s claims, he still maintains that he,
…had a trance like vision where I saw the Lord and he came to me in a very personal way. The Lord was preparing me for a season of visitations. At that time, the purpose of these encounters was not yet revealed to me but that a deep time of intimate revelation would come. [“Met the Lord,” The Todd Bentley Blog, http://tinyurl.com/yhh2ue7 ]
To further demonstrate Bentley’s ignorance of Scripture and inability to properly interpret God’s written word, he encourages his followers to “develop a kingdom now mindset,” then wrongfully teaches that,
You too can visit paradise like Paul, or see angels ascending and descending the heavenly ladder as Jacob did, or be taken by the Spirit into visions of God like Elisha. God says, Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place…(Rev. 4:1). How would you like to see the things the Father is doing; not just glimpse, but see into heaven just as Jesus and John did? [The Reality of the Supernatural World, Product Description, http://tinyurl.com/yjc8qtp ]
In the first place, if Todd Bentley were given the ability to gaze into heaven, he wouldn’t see the Father and what the Father is doing (John 4:24; John 1:18; Luke 24:39). No doubt Todd’s trance-filled treks take him to far out places, but it isn’t the Biblical heaven, heavenly angels, God, or the Father he is seeing.
Furthermore, what Bentley and others like him need to realize is that God is against false prophets and those who boast of false visions:
They see falsehood and lying divination who are saying, The LORD declares, when the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word. Did you not see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you said, The LORD declares, but it is not I who have spoken? Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, Because you have spoken falsehood and seen a lie, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord GOD. So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord GOD (Ezekiel 13:6-9).
Claims of visions and one-on-one encounters with “Jesus Christ” occur more frequently and in greater numbers than ever before. Now is the time for Christians to cling tenaciously to God’s written word and be extra-wary of those who come with “visions of Jesus Christ” on their lips.
But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time
The Biblical Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father in heaven interceding for the believer (Romans 8:33-34).
Concerning Todd Bentley’s ordination into the Christian Ministers Association (CMA), and membership with the World Ministry Fellowship (WMF), on October 21, 2009, Christian Research Service contacted officials within the CMA and WMF for an update. Again, Todd Bentley was not ordained through the CMA, and has never been a member of that association. Bentley’s membership in the WMF has not been re-instated.
While we at Christian Research Service await Todd Bentley’s reply to the six simple questions, it is important to note that all false teachers have this in common: they want people to forget what they have said in their articles, books, and public teachings.
Sometimes, no reply is an answer in itself.
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