Hebrews 10:22-23 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.
The following video is a very good teaching by Paul Washer. I didn’t know who he was until a few days ago when I found this video. He presented this in 2002 and is a teaching for teenagers, but I find it to be quite valuable for all believers regardless of age. Apparently, this teaching is somewhat controversial, although I can’t quite figure out why. Unless of course it is considered controversial by those whose ears have tired from the truth and want only ear candy. Yes, it is long, nearly an hour. That concerned me too, until I was hit with the realization I think nothing of watching a movie twice that long…
Based on the words of Jesus in Matthew 7; the time you invest will be worth it.
m'kayla's korner 
P- You are throwing stones and you know it. Knock it off and buy a dictionary to find the true meaning of Pharisee. Then go to your bible and do a search to find where we are told it is ok to live the way we want to. While you are there do a word study on grace. You will find it is given to true believers not to those who want and think they have found a lazy way out of hell.
In the meantime if you would like to resubmit a blog worthy comment I will be happy to read it and respond. But, your last will not post here for obvious reasons.
I suggest you listen again and take some real teaching for your spirit. This is what I support here, not that lazy floppy NAR stuff. You already knew that so again I conclude you are here to argue. Not happening.
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Mkayla
I saw this video some time ago, coincidently, it was that same passage in Matthew 7 that finally jolted me out of the apathetic state i was in, it is truly a very confronting verse.Its difficult to imagine the controversy regarding this video was not about the theme of his message, but rather the fact that he swapped this message for the one he’d been asked to preach. Talk about shooting the messenger!!.
God Bless
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Praise God he was obedient! We need more of these messages and more willing people to preach them. Thanks for the testimony and the info.
🙂 Blessings to you!
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Hi mkayla – I agree with your review of the video. I too am tired of hearing accusations of “Pharisee!” against anyone who believes that an encounter with the Living God MUST have some impact on the way you live (“by their fruits you will know them”). I would rather have a preacher cut my heart than tickle my ears.
If you want more sermons by Paul Washer or other “conservative” biblical preachers, you should check out sermonaudio.com
There are about 390 sermons by Washer – while many of them challenge the listener to examine his life 9like the one you listed), there are a few where he speaks just on the glory of Jesus Christ – basically a form of verbal worship (without all the fancy music). Proper theology leading to doxology.
eg.my favorite “worship” sermon of his:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=65091919512
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OK. Wrote that fast and with some anger. However:
Pharisee (of the second temple “order”): at odds with the Sadducees (who died out quickly) essentially looked at the “law” and believed there was another “oral law.” A sophomoric historical investigation (as I mentioned) would assume the Pharisee was the “popular” one, or the “sophist.” Unfortunately for the reformer, this is only part of it—and one would have to read a little bit more than wikipedia for information.
And yes, Paul Washer is a Pharisee. He looks to the “law” and then adds his own “oral law.” A Retro-Judeaizer at its finest.
I asked the question in the “bad” post. How many times does he mention “grace” in his sermon? He speaks of Jesus and the Cross over 20 times, and neglects grace.
Does he really understand the Cross. Does he have a relationship with Jesus or his own guilt and condemnation? Additionally, his references to Matthew neglect the next three chapters.
You asked me to stop and “look up” Pharisee in the dictionary (a secondary source at best) and yet you quibble about “verses”—why don’t you do some research on context and when the bible was broken up (poorly—and by a Catholic)?
On to Washer:
Tell me which “believers” Jesus condemned, and I’ll buy you an apple. Quote the “I never knew you” verse and I’ll ask the same question again.
I carry stones in my pocket for people like Washer. And I hand them out freely. Once again, check out the Atheist “de-conversion” stories. Their understanding of the Cross is exactly the same as Washer’s, go figure.
You are looking for guidance? “It is finished” or “It is finished and do what Paul Washer says”
You want to be “clean”? Love our Lord Jesus with all that you have and then Love the people around you.
And then someone else will tell you how “clean” you are, and you won’t care.
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The “I never knew you” statement is for those who call Jesus Lord, yet did not do what He told them, did not follow His teachings and had no true repentance and change of “heart” to show them as true disciples. It is also for those who refer to Jesus as Lord, yet use Him as a means of gain.
I believe Paul Washer is right in his teaching on the words of Jesus in this chapter. We repent and turn from our sin and our desire to do sin. We are not perfect and will fall from time to time, which is where grace comes in, but only for those who are truly repentant. Those who quickly say some prayer to ask Jesus in their heart, and continue on in the way they lived before, which is what Paul is pointing out in this video, when a believer looks like the world, will have no place in the Kingdom of God. There is a difference in sin that is forgiven and sin that is not, and it is a matter intent of the heart, what we set our minds to. Will we serve ourselves or serve God? If we love the Lord we will do what He says and the first is to repent and then to turn from our evil ways, not just once but always. We are fallen and need the Savior to do this. We are completely incapable of righteous living without Jesus.
I don’t see Paul as a Pharisee any more than I see myself as one. Pharisees did not know Jesus when he showed up because they were so focused on the law. Paul is simply warning his audience to make certain there is a change in their lifestyles and not to be fooled and drawn back in by the world. There is nothing about the law here that I can see. I do have a great fear on how I live my life – and I take to heart the words in Philippians 2:12 to work out my own salvation in fear and trembling.
The bottom line here is not Paul Washer, it is the teaching, the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:13-29. If you disagree with Paul, then what do you think Jesus is talking about?
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Plot, You’ve invented a caricature of Paul Washer, a straw man, and you don’t realize that that caricature is YOU, only on the other end of the spectrum. What you accuse Washer of (falsely) is exactly what you do, but from a liberal perspective, right down to the ‘oral law’ theory. You have presented a number of your own laws here, and nearly every one of them is ridiculous, e.g. “quibble over verses”??
Paul Washer, due to immaturity, may be trying to push things in the flesh to a small degree, yet is his message accurate, a correct diagnosis of where those youth are at? He is preaching in a setting where the literal teachings of Jesus seem to be avoided, like, it would scare the wits out of the church-going youth who are doing drugs and sleeping around, or are privately in bondage to sexual sin, to just hear someone read word for word from the gospels.
Yes, there’s always the risk of being labeled as ‘condemning’, which is why we should just stick with the words of Jesus and the NT, so then we are clear, and their accusation is actually at God.
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Washer rocks. The only reason I don’t listen to him more is that my natural man is scared to. I am always convicted about the sin in my life and the call to be sure that my salvation is real when I hear him.
He is certainly a man appointed by God to deliver a specific message and he does that well. My only problem with him is superficial. He always sounds like he is fake-TBS Style – on the verge of tears. I am sure it is sincere with him, but that sometimes throws me off.
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Jason – Hi.
Don’t let him or anyone “scare” you. The Holy Spirit will convict us of our sin and a if we are growing in our relationship with the Lord, sin loses it’s luster, it’s hold on us. There is grace for the believer! So if we sin, we repent. He is faithful to forgive us. But, in knowing that, it should not be used as a permission to continue in the sin.
This is the first time I’ve heard Washer and I didn’t realize his tears were an issue. Who knows if they are real or not, only God knows his heart, right? But, you are right, we shouldn’t be caught up in any emotion. It is up to us to hear, and then judge if it is biblically accurate and go from there.
Welcome to my blog. 🙂
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I found this critique of the sermon spot on:
http://chaosandoldnight.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/one-of-the-worst-sermons-that-i-have-ever-heard-joel-osteen-excluded-just-to-make-it-fair/#comment-3699
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Plotinus, you’re avoiding the question I asked you. This is not about a critique of Washer’s ability to preach or the debate on whether or not his tears are genuine or whether he has managed to scare a bunch of kids. The whole point is the words of Jesus and what we do with His teaching! That has become a problem in America. We’re too concerned about the superficial – the performance!! Or maybe it is a way to avoid the real issue.
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In addition, P, I don’t see the discussion on that blog leading anywhere. Where is the scripture to prove the truth behind what is being said? There’s a lot of arguing back and forth, but what is the bottom line?
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When I read a sermon review, I tend to discount all the comments dealing with the messenger. Stuff like “he’s too emotional”, “he exaggerates”, “he is a Baptist”, “I don’t like his accent”, “I don’t like his Peru story”, etc. are not relevant to me. What is important is the message. Does the message line up with the Word of God?
So, this sermon was NOT addressed to a group of unbelievers saying that you are saved by your works, which some seem to wrongly imply by its frequent mention of a right lifestyle. (By the way, there are recorded sermons where Washer does preach the gospel to unbelievers, where he includes both law and grace, and emhasizes that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus). This sermon was preached in a Christian setting to a group of professing Christians, and encouraged the believers to examine their lives, since a Christian’s life should be obviously different from that of an unbeliever. Is this a biblical message?
-Matt. 7:13-14 – the way to destruction is broad, but the gate and way to life is narrow (narrow is different from broad, and implies not going with the majority flow)
-Matt. 7:15 – false teachers (who profess Jesus) will be known by their fruits (lives)
-Luke 6:43 – in beatitudes saying “no good tree yields bad fruit”
-Matt. 5:48 – ends beatitudes with “be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect”
-Matt 7:23 – Jesus tells those who professed His name while doing works “go away, I never knew you” – can you maintain a relationship with Jesus while still willfully comitting sin?
-Matt 25:31-46 – Jesus condemns those who do not look after the hungry, needy, poor (ie do not do good works for those in need – a very hard saying for us)
-John 14:15, 15:10 – if you love me you will keep my commandments
-2Cor 13:5 -Paul tells believers to examine themselves to ensure they are in the faith
-Gal 5:16-25 – Paul contrasts the fruits of the unbeliever with the fruits of the Spirit (big difference)
-James 2:20 – faith without works is dead
The bible seems clear to me that a Christian’s life should be different from that of a non-Christian, and that we are also encouraged to examine ourselves — to hold ourselves accountable for our choices and actions. After all, God is not only able to save us, but is also faithful to complete His work in us to conform us into the image of His Son.
(btw, if you don’t like Washer’s “style”, I’m sure I can find the same biblical message preached by Piper, Macarthur, Ravenhill, etc)
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14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:14-15
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And of course there’s the 6th chapter of Romans that I highly recommend reading.
v 1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
v 12-13 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
v 14-15 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
Taher, thanks for your contributions. Your point was very well made. Who can argue the words of the bible, when the message is plain, so clearly laid out; the word of God being a work of many men through guidance of the Holy Spirit, one of many words, but one complete book which resonates with the same point – Jesus Christ is Savior, without Him we are lost in our sin, forever separate from the Father who created us and made eternal life available to all. There is no excuse. May we humbly submit our will over to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and may we surely depart from iniquity. 🙂
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http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=493
This is a link to Lighthouse Trails which did a short commentary on the book/movie series Twilight. It fits in with the discussion because it is what we are getting to, becoming separate and staying separate from the world. These books/movies glorify evil, showing it to have a “good” side in the vampire’s fight against taking life sustaining human blood. In the real vampire stories, vampires lived on human blood, they did not fight or deny their need for it. So, it’s a dummied down romanticized version of the truth. Girls flock to these movies, no doubt they see the vampire as their knight in shining armor. I heard part of an interview with the author a couple of years ago, these stories were given to her as a young woman during a visitation of an “angel”.
Sound familiar?
This is why Paul Washer and others like him give the warnings to get out and remain separate. I still agree with it.
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Ok, let me correct this cuz it’s buggin’ me. I didn’t mean to imply that I felt there was truth in any vampire story – it’s lore, it’s legend, garbage, whatever. Even tho there are kids out there who have convinced themselves they are real vampires.
I’m getting in deeper…in need of a shovel…
The vampire is very evil, cunning, deceptive, alluring, even seductive and has absolutely no mercy for it’s victim. It only wants to sustain the life it has. Who does that sound like? But these books/movies have put a romanticized spin into the telling, in that now there is some good, or some “redemptive” quality. So see, far removed from what the story once was.
It’s nuts. And it is a dangerous place for a kid to go. I explained this to my 11 year old granddaughter last summer. I hope it took.
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Taher and MK:
Interesting listing on sin. My question rests in which “false prophet” advocates sin? Which says, “live in sin, cause’ you get grace”?
It seems you point to Washer because he talks about it more. I go farther (and point to MacArthur as well) and suggest they preach a message of “slavery” to sin. Once can be bound to the law and sin while committing none.
Hang out at a Buddhist monastary. I’ve seen zero sin there–really zero. But it’s coupled with no salvation.
Your asking me to prove my salvation? And how would I do that? Do I list my good deeds? Nope, Jesus spoke to that. Do I list my works in His name? Nope, Jesus spoke to that. Do I claim to be without sin? Nope, that’s why I carry stones in my pocket (and yes, He spoke to that).
I am condemned if I never knew him, that’s it. And by knowing him, repentance, conviction, and all the “trasforming” occurs.
Taher, “cutting and pasting” scripture is very recent concept. Over the 500 years or so, Christianity has enabled the fracture by relying on childish understanding of cannonized scripture.
Let me make this really clear:
1. I still wonder if this godless chatter. Am I a troll? Or do I seek understanding of why so many really don’t understand the Cross. If all the selections stated above (by both of you) are the correct interpretation, why did Jesus come at all. We wouldn’t need him. Cart before the horse? Simple but I think it summarizes flawed repentance dogma.
2. I am not an advocate of sin, liberal theology (whatever that means), hyper-sprititual doctrines, dominion theology, typical NAR beliefs etc. Nor am I a self-advocate of perfection. I am wrong, all the time. But my baptism (koine greek interp as process not result as MacArthur promotes) is always occuring. Lest I get proud.
3. The Lord Jesus is the ONLY way–that’s it guys. I believe.
On the Twilight stuff:
1. I enjoyed the metaphor.
2. The danger is not “bad” movies, or “bad” music. Spend some time in public education. Spend some time in academia (higher ed) where your “kids” are being taught by people who speak freely about their views on Christianity. That’s darkness MK. Where Christianity is reduced to a psychological disorder and fairy tales. I’m not talking about percetages of professors and teachers, I’m talking about 90+%, from Math to Sociology. Try “hiding” your kids from that. Check out Pew research groups findings on the decline of “churchy” types. And then read the variables for the decline (why they leave).
3. Preaching a “sin salvation” is gonna get us nowhere.
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P, simply, to me, being a Christian, calling Jesus “Lord” is in doing what He says. And part of that is the avoidance of sin in whatever form it comes. I know that if I put myself in certain situations they could prove to be too tempting. And, who needs that?!! But like I said, I will fail in this, we all fail because we are still sinners. For us is grace at repentance.
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Hi P –
It is obvious that you can debate circles around me, and your writing style speaks of your intelligence. You constantly bring up some very profound thoughts to consider.
But let’s do a summary before you bring up some new points:
-Paul Washer speaks that Christians should examine themselves, since the life of a Christian should be noticeably different
-you speak out against that teaching
-Mkayla and I list scriptures that confirm Washer’s thesis
-you respond that my understanding is childish
So please enlighten me. What does it really mean when James says, “faith without works is dead”? What does Jesus really mean about the way is broad to destruction, but the way to life is narrow – or that that a good tree cannot yield bad fruit? What does Paul really mean when he says we should not continue in sin so grace will abound?
Yes, my interpretation is childish – I just take the Word literally. So please point out what these passages really mean, before going out on some other tangent. I would really like to know. Really.
Also, you correctly state that “I am condemned if I never knew him, that’s it. And by knowing him, repentance, conviction, and all the “transforming” occurs.” I think that is the EXACT argument that M and I are trying to make. IF you indeed know Him, then your life will exhibit the transformation. THEN IS THE CONVERSE NOT ALSO TRUE?— if your life does not, then you have to question if you really know Him. That was the sobering message Washer was trying to put across to an audience of professing Christians.
Also – I’m surprised that someone with your critical skills would state that you see NO sin at a Buddhist monastery – I would see sin everywhere. Jesus said the primary commandment is to love your God with all your heart, soul and mind. The very fact that they, being Buddhists, do not recognize the one true God means that they are indeed living in obvious sin (as we all are).
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Plotinus, your comment
>>Interesting listing on sin. My question rests in which “false prophet” advocates sin? Which says, “live in sin, cause’ you get grace”?<<
I'm not sure what you mean by this question. False prophets live in sin as their false prophecy is sinful to listen to. Hmm..still not sure what you mean tho, sorry.
As far as researching to find out why they leave, I don't need man's 2 cents or their research. People leave for different reasons. But the word does speak of the great falling away and a time when men will no longer endure sound doctrine. No one wants to be called a sinner anymore. They want to hear how wonderful they are and so flock to those who will tell them what their itching ears want to hear. Hence, pocket lining for false prophets!
I've been exposed to teachers speaking freely on their views on Jesus and Christianity. I think I was 14 when I first heard it. I don't think those views have changed much. Sorry, but yes, there is danger in movies and music as there is in any area where sin dwells. My kids aren't being taught anything -one is long grown and one has died. I know what they were exposed to in the public school system. Why do you think I believe it is important to be careful of what we are exposed to or what are children are? You will beat your head against the wall trying to convince this mother/grandmother something different in this area. I have lived it out. I know the influence the world takes and I have seen the damage it does – all too well. Which is why I believe in Paul Washer's words – the words of the bible.
This has veered off topic.
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There’s many ‘jesus’ es. Go into any mental institution and meet many who talk to ‘jesus’ and ‘he’ talks to them all the time. Your own ‘personal jesus’ according to your fantasies, like a ‘jesus’ who revels in the demonic filth of a werewolf story, or who mocks the canon of scripture, that’s a demonic fantasy ‘jesus’, and certainly not the real One.
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There’s a reason some people mock the closed canon of scripture, or the authority of scripture, and that is that they find that fact an affront to their own self-deification : so in love with themselves that the thought that their opinions are worthless, only scripture has authority, is like a sword into their ego.
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“…only scripture has authority…”
Amen. May I add that the scriptures are like a mirror and to often we see the real us in them and not who we profess to be.
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I think T, M and P are arguing different aspects of the same paradox? The paradox of the cross?
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Hi Ruth. Well, the true topic is living for Christ, being separate from the world, departing from sin, etc. It has morphed into discussion on Washer and his heart, which is not why I put it up. I believe that aside from our personal feelings about Washer or any messenger, there is the topic of the true teaching of the word.
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Ruth, I think you have more to say on this – paradox of the cross. I’d like to hear it. 🙂
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This same Paul Washer sermon received a fair degree of negative response on a another blog.However,the accusation leveled at Washer was one of preaching ” Lordship salvation” , a doctrine i had not previously encountered, hence i had to do some research. My conclusion to this teasching [ Lordship salvation] is that it represents yet another belief based on a few verses that distort the true message of the gospel.But back to what Washer is preaching about on this video, is the erronoeous notion that once a person is saved , they are always saved.Unfortunately, this is very much a prevailing thought among the easy believism church crowd.However, there are a good deal of scriptures that do indicate that the opposite is true, and it is possible that striving for Christ , could be misconstrued as ” living under the law”.We should not confuse the fact that living under, and obeying the law was a requirement for ones salvation{ im refering to the Israelites here} and scripture shows that very few did so faithfully, while the majority chose the lazy option.So whats the difference now?
Well , as God has promised in Ezekiel 36:25
Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean;I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgements and do them.
Folks , some will claim that the above passage is a promise peculiar to the Jews. It is not, that passage forms a part of the new covenant between God and all of mankind, and in that covenant God has provided the ability for all of us to respond to Him in love and obedience, something we do willingly, not kicking and screaming.
Its as simple as John 14:15
If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
God bless
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Thanks Ray. Very good point made. 🙂
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On ‘Lordship Salvation’ : Is it possible Jesus could be someone’s Savior if He is not their LORD?
Wouldn’t it be a joke to suggest otherwise?
(but added to this is the complication of christians who have unbiblical notions of what it means to have Jesus as LORD of your life. Many would understand this to mean conformity to their man-made traditions, then, Jesus is your LORD.)
Most of what i see coming out of the institutionalized church does not profit, distractions just to waste our time. Better just get together with a few saints whom you are in relationship to (real love and friendship) and edify one another as you read the scriptures together.
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Just threw that in, i’m not referring to anyone here!
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Ian
Ive just read your last post and realised that i’d misrepresented what i had intended to say.What i meant to say was that the opponents of Lordship salvation base their doctrine on a few verses and thereby distort the true gospel.The opponents of Lordship salvation contend that repentance is a ” work” and therefore negates the doctrine of Grace.For them , salvation is based on ” believing” in Christ and that repentance and sanctification are through the Spirit. However , on the question of repentance , scripture is very clear.John the Baptist came saying, repent , for the kingdom of God is at hand. Matt 3:1, also Acts 2:38….
And Peter said to them, repent and let everyone of you be baptized……
My sincere apologies for any confusion , I hope this clarifies the point i had hoped to make.
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Hi Ray, I don’t believe i misunderstood you, and, i could have been clearer. What i meant was that one can’t have Jesus as Savior if He’s not one’s LORD. Meaning, faith and repentance cannot be separated, for a repentance-less ‘faith’ is no faith, a dead ‘faith’, as per the Book of James. I think we agree on that.
I do see a danger in the ‘Lordship Salvation’ doctrine, like i said, it get’s complicated over what real repentance is, like, i’ve met ‘christians’ whose faith is in their repentance (or what they think is their repentance) and not in Christ.
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I had another thought to add to the point about clarifying the difference between true and false repentance:
True repentance should be the natural response to the revelation that Christ suffered and died for my/our sins. Naturally we should repent. After the Cross, it would be evil if we didn’t.
False repentance makes a show of one’s repentance, and a person actually becomes proud that they’ve repented, they think it’s some CREDIT to them that they’ve repented. When they tell their testimony it’s them who get the glory, as if they did some great thing by repenting. Very foolish.
Think of a serial killer, after 10 murders he decides to stop killing. Then a person comes up to him, pats him on the back and says, “What a great man!”.
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Ian
A verse in Ezekiel came to mind regarding your last post.
Ezekiel 36:22
Therfore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God, I do not do this for your sake , O house of Israel, but for My Holy name’s sake , which you have profaned among the nations whereever you went.
Yes, only a fool would attempt to claim any glory for himself, however short lived that would be.
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M’Kayla,
I just have to commend you again on your blog. Because of some recent intense personal issues, I have not been able to follow threads the way I really would like. Just perusing this discussion, though,and comparing it to the discussion Ray mentioned taking place on another blog–viva la difference! No biting and devouring here; your strong voice at the start putting a stop to any nonsense is the reason, I think! So good work keeping Charity at the heart of these discussions. I have taken a break from any debates, I haven’t the heart; I need to solely focus on the YIPPEEEE! side of things right now. (And how I did AMEN your delightful Yipeee post!)
And I love Paul Washer. If you want to understand his views on repentance and personal revival, read Roy Hession’s “The Calvary Road”, and “We Would See Jesus”, which Washer cites as great influences on his ministry. No one has written better on those topics, IMHO.
So, anyway, a very Happy New Year, and much blessings on your delightfully fun (and FUNNY!), thought provoking and inspirational blog!
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Hi Karen. It is always nice to see you. 🙂
Thanks for the info and the encouragement. I understand about the commenting. I’ve had some problems here, but I get through them. It is sad that people will avoid the truth because the lie is more fun for them. One day it won’t be so fun anymore.
Happy New Year to you! xoxo
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