Cindy Jacobs Promotes “Prayer” With Skull and Bones Pastor

I have to say that I have been doing more research and uncovering of the NAR than I thought I would do when I first started my blog. I see great danger for anyone following their directives, and the more I read or listen to them, the worse they get– even the roots are bad.

It is past time to pay attention to who and what they stand for and endorse. It is time to lay aside the emotional wave of wasted enthusiasm and get down to the true business of exposing their dark ways sold off to the ignorant as anything remotely related to the work of Christ or the great commission.

We continue to see the NAR growing more and more and its influence spreading and affecting many organizations. (I hesitate to use the word ministries.)  It seems each time I read one of their “prophecies” or “mandates” less and less emphasis is on Christ and the New Covenant brought by His death and resurrection. There is a reason why Christ stated on the cross “It is finished”. But these crazy word of faith-ers would have you and me battle every moment of our lives for some war that is not ours to fight. (Where’s the faith in that?)

We are not called to effect the atmosphere with our words or to change the world through societal transformation. But we are called to preach the gospel – Jesus Christ died for our sins so that through faith in Him as the Son of God we could have forgiveness and eternal life with the Father God. That is the good news preached. It is found in the New Testament of every bible. It is found on the lips of the faithful few and still in some stubborn churches throughout the world. (God bless ’em!) Adam and Eve had dominion over the earth but they lost that dominion when they disobeyed God. Dominion has not been given back to mankind but we were afforded a savior!

I found the following on Truthspeaker’s Weblog last night. I highly recommend reading the article regarding the upcoming prayer for the state of New York. There is some good stuff at links she provided. The information is quite eye opening!

NYC Intercessors and the USSPN join with Skull and Bones Pastor to Pray for NYS

By truthspeaker

I am grieved as I write this post.  Some of the people involved in this upcoming event are known by me personally.  I am writing this as a warning to those sincere Christians who are unknowingly linking themselves up with occult practices!

It has recently come to my attention through an email invitation that NYC Intercessors is joining up with Peter Wagner’s USSPN to pray for all 50 states.  The prayer time for NYS is this week.  They are culminating this prayer initiative with a meeting at Faith Exchange Fellowship in lower Manhattan.

Unfortunately,  there are several things wrong with this.  Firstly it’s total dominionsim, which is unbiblical.  Secondly it is being promoted by Cindy Jacobs, calling for the nation to repent.  The first thought that ran through my mind was “maybe if those who call themselves prophets repented for all the things they said in the name of God that never happened then something might happen”!

Cindy Jacobs in her letter to the intercessors never mentions the name of Jesus.  She also plagiarized  president Lincoln with this statement used with out quotes, writing as if these are her own words:

“Therefore, it behooves us to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness. We, as believers in the Body of Christ in the United States of America, do call for a year of humiliation, fasting and prayer to turn the nation back to God.”
Ok, so maybe that was an oversight…. but plagiarism is illegal.
Next we have Chuck Pierce’s involvement in this.  It has been proven that he makes prophetic predictions based on the writings of the Kabbalah:
“According to Chuck Pierce, all months have some sort of spiritual (mystical, actually) significance. This, he claims, is because God created each month that way. Like much of what Mr. Pierce claims, however, that’s not in the Bible. So where did he come up with that idea? Quite simply, he got it from Kabbalah.”
But the BIGGEST problem with this whole thing is that the pastor whose church they are meeting at on Wednesday is a MEMBER OF THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY!
According to Rich Vermillion:
“So in short, Dan Stratton was certainly NEVER a Christian (much less a Christian minister, as he professes himself to be). I have known Dan Stratton personally, and have also researched the S&B fairly extensively. Stratton’s initiation rites into that satanic cult required him to swear total allegiance to the enemy of our souls, satan himself. Thus, unless he repents and renounces that black cult publicly and exposes their hidden secrets, he is to be shunned as a false-brother and false apostle—as I will elaborate concerning even further below”
See also this article by Cutting Edge:
“However, we have a real problem, because Pastor Don Stratton has admitted his membership in the satanic secret society, Skull & Bones! Let us review this video to see him, and his wife, Ann, being interviewed on Pat Robertson’s ‘700 Club’.Watch this video from ‘700 Club’ admitting he is a Bonesman, a member of Skull & Bones

Pat Robertson asks Dan Stratton to confirm that he is a member of “Skull & Bones”, to which Dan replies that, “yes, it is true”.

But, then Stratton defends his membership, largely by attempting to make the organization appear harmless.

“Don’t hold that against me, a lot of Christians don’t like the idea. But, I have had the chance to preach the Gospel, in that group. Many of my friends in that club have come to know the Lord. People put a lot of Masonic connotations to it, but they never made me make any oaths or do anything which have compromised my Christianity.” http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2241.cfm

This was also admitted in an article published by the NY Times and at one time was posted on Faith Exchange’s web site:

“Stratton is not a bed-of-roses kind of guy. He vividly recalls how, as a poor jock from the sticks, he was mocked for his clothes and called Big Bird by the rich kids at Yale. Still, by his senior year, he was a major figure on campus, second team all-Ivy, starring in school productions of “West Side Story” and “Man of La Mancha” and even playing Larry in “Boys in the Band.” During his junior year, he became a member of Skull and Bones. This affiliation isn’t mentioned in Stratton’s book; a lot of evangelical Christians, he says, are put off by what they regard as the Satanic symbolism of the club, whose members include both George W. Bush and John F. Kerry.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/17/magazine/17wwln_evangelicals.t.html?pagewanted=print

Here are some quotes from the Quotes from the “Prophetic Destiny of a Nation” 50 State Tour for New York

“God is looking to see if we will lay down our own agendas and agree to connect with one another, which is His agenda!” Dutch Sheets – NYC, NY

“A state wide call to gather and worship will come forth and a NEW sound will arise.” Chuck Pierce – Albany, NY

“60 houses of revival will spring forth throughout New York State!” Chuck Pierce – Rochester, NY

“A prophetic sign will be given during the spring thaw!” – Dutch Sheets – Rochester, NY

Our “Empire State” will become “His Kingdom State!” – Joseph Askins – declared in each city of the tour

I think we should mark these down and see if any of them come true and then call the prophets false who make false predictions!

Christians, it’s time to WAKE UP!  Come OUT of Babylon!  Then maybe we will see a move of God in America!

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Word of Faith No More

The following video was recorded a couple of years ago by John Edwards, a fellow blogger aka Junker Jorge. John is an ex Word of Faith Pastor who was trained under Kenneth Hagin. For those whose computers don’t do videos well, I’ve transcribed his message word for word below. Be blessed!

Thanks John! Praise God for your willingness to warn others of this dangerous teaching.

Hey guys! My name is John Edwards.  I’m a Rhema Graduate. I went to Rhema Bible Training Center in 96-98 and I was ordained by Kenneth Hagin and came to Alabama, started a church called The Edge then we changed the name to Hillside Church.

About January of 2008 I decided to leave the Word of Faith Movement. What I want to do is to put together a series of YouTubes; I want to help people out there who are trapped in the Word of Faith.

Word of Faith is a dangerous, cultic movement. And it’s so similar to the new age message that it’s right there beside it – and it sucks you in. Word of Faith – what attracted me to it is that I thought I could have a say in my life. I always had fear of maybe losing my kids or getting cancer or going bankrupt. I heard the Word of Faith message as it was presented by Kenneth Hagin and it gave me hope that I could have a say for my life.

And the dangerous thing about the Word of Faith is that it puts the believer in the driver’s seat and it puts God and His will and His plan for your life in the back seat.  The whole Word of Faith movement is based on one passage of scripture in Mark chapter 11, verse 23, Jesus said “Whosoever shall say to until this mountain be thou removed and be thou cast into the sea and shall not doubt in his heart thou shall believe those things that he sayeth, the things shall come to pass and he shall have whatsoever he said”.

Now what they did – Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi; He spoke in Aramaic. And a real popular teaching idiom back then in that culture was a phrase “moving a mountain”. It meant to cut through red tape, it meant to do the impossible with God. And Jesus was using a hyperbole in His teaching. It was an on- purpose exaggeration. You know where Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin to pluck it out, and He talked about hating your mother or father in comparing to loving Him? He doesn’t really want you to hate your mother or dad or pull your eyeballs out, He’s just using an exaggeration to prove a point on purpose to show how powerful faith is.

When Jesus was talking to his disciples and said “If you say to the mountain move -and it will move if you believe and not doubt”.  His disciples had sense enough to know He was using an exaggeration to show them an example of the power of faith. Now what the faith preachers did- namely Kenneth Hagan whom I love, I went through the school, I’m not mad at him, but he was wrong. What they did is they made a science of every little word that Jesus said as hyperbole; they made a science on it. What the Word of Faith does is that it teaches you that you can have what you say. They take that last phrase that Jesus said “he shall have whosoever he said” and made a whole religion on how to get everything you need from God. And the dangerous thing about it is that it puts fear in the believer.

Word of Faith people are the most legalistic, paranoid, superstitious, in-bondage people I have ever known in my life. And you know what?  I’m part of the problem!  I preached the heresy for eight years. I taught people they could have what they say, and that’s not what Jesus said. At the most what Jesus said that you will have what you say to the mountain.

But Word of Faith teachers and Word of Faith Christians actually believe that whatever comes out of your mouth is actually going to happen. For instance, if you say” oh my back’s killing me”, they believe you’re going to develop cancer of the spine or something. If you say “oh my heads killing me” they’ll think you’re gonna get a brain tumor. They believe that your words will create entities in themselves and they’re not.

Your words are powerful. I can cuss you out with my words and make you mad. I can tell jokes and make you laugh. I can build you up or I can cut you down. But I cannot create things with my words as is taught by the Word of Faith. So the new age message, this humanism message is that man is God, that we all together as man we are God.  We can do anything.  We have our own wisdom and our own life.  The Word of Faith message is very, very similar. It tricks you into thinking you’re in control of your life. You are in control of your destiny. I know because I taught this for many years. It’s a cult. It was founded on cultic principles.

E.W. Kenyon was a Baptist preacher who was very involved in new age and new thought and metaphysics. He went to a school in Boston that was covered up with new age and new thought.  If you’ve heard about the new book called The Secret, if you’ve ever watched that – it’s new age – it’s humanism- it’s garbage– it’s counterfeit Christianity. It’s a counterfeit faith. Okay? And EW Kenyon took the principles of the new age, the new thought, The Secret, metaphysics and he blended it in with the bible to make another gospel – the gospel of me, the gospel of my words.

And the Word of Faith was then picked up by Kenneth Hagin who took Kenyon’s writings and then expanded on them. And the dangerous thing about the Word of Faith is it’s all centered on the power of your words, being the prophet of your own life, you, as a human, being in control of your destiny.

It’s also a very materialistic, money-minded movement. You can go to any Word of Faith preacher or TV or any Word of Faith church and they can’t preach for 10 minutes without talking about money.  They’re obsessed with money, they’re obsessed with wealth, they’re obsessed with cars and rings, and big churches and TV’s and helicopters and jets.  It’s a dangerous movement, folks. There’s a lot of deception there.

The Word of Faith as it’s taught by Word of Faith preachers today, Kenneth Hagin, Michael Murdock, people taught like I did. I’m John Edwards, I know you never heard of me, but I taught it. Its not the new covenant, it’s not the New Testament. It’s a delusion, it is a lie, and it is a twist of scriptures.  It’s designed to get your heart and your mind off of Jesus, off of the kingdom of God and on onto your bank account and on to your words. It produces fear, bondage and legalism. It’s counterfeit. It’s not the New Testament. The New Testament is about God loving you in your sins and sending Jesus His Son to die for you so that you can believe in Him and be borne again. To have all your sins forgiven, removed forgotten, so that you can have a personal Father – son, Father – daughter relationship with Almighty God to help you through life to give you the peace you need, to help you with your problems. And it’s about having eternal life.  When you die you go to live with God the Father and Jesus in heaven forever. That is the good news; that is the gospel.

But the Word of Faith preachers have turned it around into a self help gospel of me. And what I want you to do is get you a New Testament, go to a Christian book store and buy the New Testament on CD and just listen to it. Just listen to the word of God. It’s a new covenant. It’s not a covenant of prosperity, health and wealth.  It’s a covenant of dying to yourself to love others, to serve others. It’s a gospel of spreading God’s love to everyone. When you put others first, you love your neighbor as yourself. You put God first, you put Jesus first. You do have a God that will meet your needs. You do have a God that will heal your body, but Him meeting your needs and Him healing your body- that’s just a small part of the big truth of your redemption.

The Word of Faith is like putting a frog in a pot of water and turning the heat up, just start boiling the water, and he’s swimming around, and kicking around and he doesn’t know anything’s wrong! And before you know it –he’s cooked!  That’s what happened to me!  I started out wanting wanted to get The Faith.  Why? So I could love God more? No. So I could be in control of my life. Look. I learned. I don’t want to be in control of my life, I want Jesus in charge of my life.

So, please come back and have a look at some more of these later.

God bless you.

I’m John Edwards

Bye-bye

*****

Additional articles exposing Word of Faith heresy:

More on Kenneth Hagin by John

Testimony on WOF by John’s Brother Hank

Article on Sweat Lodge Deaths by Jackie Alnor

What Genesis Mandate Might That Be, Exactly?

This is a video by Cindy Jacobs, Generals of Intercession. I’m not sure when it was recorded or where, exactly. I am not a teacher and I know that Cindy Jacobs has been at her game much longer than I’ve been at mine. Let’s see what she’s made of as we go to the bible and compare her teaching  mix of covenant, economic structure and something she refers to as the Genesis Mandate.  Cindy is a member of the New Apostolic Reformation under C Peter Wagner and considered to be “a prophet to the nations” and a supporter and teacher of the seven mountains of influence. Her tag line is Achieving Societal Transformation Through Intercession and the Prophetic.  So we have to ask ourselves  – “is this Christ or antichrist?”

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,  17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Transcribed with my notes, and you know I’m the one in blue. 🙂

Matthew 6:9 is something we know as the Lords prayer, but actually we could call this the disciple’s prayer. And God showed me that this is a prayer and every part of the prayer is an element on how to reform and transform a nation. And this is the reformer’s prayer.

This is the prayer of intercession that will help bring into manifestation the original Genesis mandate, to fill, subdue, multiply and have dominion in the earth, Genesis 1:28. This was our commission in the garden and it never changed, never changed.

Jesus taught His disciples to pray, saying nothing of transformation or the fulfillment of a Genesis mandate. She says nothing more of this scripture and she never even read it out loud, so it’s just kind of left hanging out there. Of course the push is –“God showed her”. This is the Lord’s prayer, twisted for her own devices.

And because we did not understand our commission sin came into the world and it began to deteriorate the ability that we had to steward the earth.

She is saying that we did not understand our commission and sin resulted. But this is what the bible says:

Genesis 3:13 And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” This refers to the command that God gave to Adam in Genesis 2:16-17 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die”.

So, they did not obey God. We call that disobedience, not a lack of understanding.

Now, I want you to listen to me it is very important that you understand this. In the garden there were certain systems that were corrupted.

Genesis 3:23 Therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. The garden wasn’t corrupted. Sin entered through the act of disobedience and Adam and Eve were taken from the garden.

One was the economic system. No longer did the earth produce, the curse came and so we have to reverse this curse. And so in the earth we see that there were corrupted systems that were full of greed and mammon. So we have authority to reverse that Genesis curse of poverty and death.

Adam and Eve, being the only two people in the garden, free to do as they please, eat whatever, whenever (except from that one tree). I don’t see any economy going on here. Free is the order or the system the Lord set up for them. Free.

When they were taken from the Garden, they were given means to provide for themselves and we call that means “work”.   If we read the first few verses of chapter 4 we see a good beginning, children born, a yield from the land and animals, far from what we could call poverty.

This is the life that would now be lived, one of work and of reward. Even after Cain murdered his brother and was sent away, he found the means to live, even building a city named after his son Enoch! (Genesis 4:16-17) Yes, there is sin, and with it comes consequences. And there is the curse of death from the disobedience, but hardly the curse of poverty. Even if she is speaking in a future tense, it was Jesus Christ who broke the curse of death, taking our sin on the cross. We cannot do what He has done. And we are still appointed to die a physical death – Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment. Jesus Christ is the only one who has the power of life and death. He is the only one who has the power to break a curse.

Not only do we have the power to do so, we have the mandate. You have to understand this. Matthew 28:19-20 we are commanded to go and make disciples of nations and to teach them to observe everything in this book.

This is why it is so important to know what the book says in context!

And I want to tell you that after Genesis societies began to deteriorate until finally they went into slavery for 400 years. During those 400 years they lost all ability to govern themselves.

It is the way of man to control another.  The heart of man is dark and evil in need of the Messiah! But her statement is quite vague. At the bottom of the matter is sin, the fallen nature, outright disobedience to God. And the only way is to turn back to Him. This is the message of the Old Testament, not societal or government fall out.

They didn’t have economic structure; they didn’t have government structures and so when they came out of bondage in Exodus 19:5 and 6 God gave them a promise. (Read in Spanish by translator). You shall be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation and a special treasure.

Now after this time in the book of Deuteronomy God began to give his plan for government. Deuteronomy one He told them to have representative government; choose one from each tribe. And I don’t have time to teach on this but I wrote a whole book about it. And so what happened is God took a people who were not a people, who were under slavery to Egypt’s system, we could say like the worlds system today.

I don’t see our economic structure the same as one of slavery. There are those in the world who suffer greatly under the control of other governments, but not all are slaves.

Notice she keeps making the point of the economic structure. Not one for the good of the people, but one what will bring wealth to the teacher, to the NAR through their control of the people. An economic structure much like the system of Egypt that she just spoke against!  After all, listen. It’s do as I say as I have heard from God and this is what He wants from the church today, this is the future. I tell you it is not.  Watch out, the antichrist is going to bring in a whole new monetary and economic structure called the One World Order.

And He made them the head and not the tail. He gave them the power to get wealth that His covenant could be established Deut 8:18. If we don’t have the power to get wealth, the covenant cannot be established.

I know of no covenant made by God that demanded wealth for it to be established! This is dangerous teaching and far from the meaning of Deuteronomy 8:18 which reads:

And you shall remember the Lord you God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

God is reminding them that it was He who has given them the power to get wealth by covenant that He made long ago. (Just a quick run down, as I am not a bible teacher, but I am thinking this goes back to the covenant God made with Abram in Genesis 12, then renamed Abraham, blessed as the father of many nations, then passed to Issac and Jacob, etc.)

The covenant He made with them was not dependant on their ability to get wealth! He is reminding them that He covenanted with their fathers to bless them, and so that all they have has come from His power and in their abundance they should not forget that. God is very big on reminding us what He has done for us.

We have the same covenant. We have the same mandate – the mandate given in the garden.

NO. It is not the same mandate or covenant made in the Garden of Eden! God said that the Messiah was to be born through a woman in Genesis 3, the words he spoke directly to Satan!

Jesus Christ is the new covenant, and in becoming new the old was done away with – no longer to exist!  Jeremiah 31:31-34, “A new covenant I will make with them…” fulfilled through Christ and the scripture repeated in Hebrews 8:8-12.  Verse 13 states, In that He says, “A new covenant, He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Luke 22:20 “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.”  Communion is done as a remembrance to what Christ did for us, a reminder that He is the new covenant! Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant – Hebrews 9:15.

And then Jesus said I want you to disciple nations. Reverse the Genesis curse, He said I’m gonna give you the power of the Holy Sprit to be able to do that.

I’m not sure if she is loosely quoting from the words of Jesus in the great commission, or if this is her personal message. Jesus Christ never told His disciples they would reverse the Genesis curse. She did partially quote Matthew earlier, so let’s go with that.

Matthew 28:18-20

And Jesus came and spoke to them saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heave and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Not quite the same as what she saying it is. Again, no curse reversal, not even a mention of it!

And what happened? Everything became fruitful and began to multiply in the book of Acts. Acts 4 He gave an economic system and no one lacked anything. It is an incredible shift of world view.

She must be referring to Acts 2, again loosely. The book of Acts tells us of many who heard the word and believed and the church grew in great numbers. Praise God.  Interesting statement from Peter in Acts 3:6 – Then Peter said “silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have is give you; In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.” Not the same as what Cindy is suggesting regarding no lack of anything. They lacked silver and gold, which blows her “economic theory” out of the water. The blessed thing is that these true apostles believed they had everything because they new Jesus Christ! Read through the book and you will see instead how they suffered much lack of many different things. How different from these modern day self appointed apostles and prophets of the NAR!  The only shift going on is not in the world view as she would have us believe but in her view!  We call that false teaching.

Now listen to me. Historically, even in there’s a massive revival it doesn’t change a city, because the government is still ruled by corruption.

How very sad a comment. There is no interest in true salvation here; have you heard it? True revival comes from true repentance of sin and a turning from the old life to the new life in Christ. A massive revival may or may not change a city. But that is not the point. Jesus Christ did not die to save cities or nations. He is not interested in historical statistics! He came to save sinners like you and me. And yes, the government of the world will still be ruled by corruption because the world is fallen in its sin nature. And until Jesus comes back to set up His kingdom on earth, the corruption of man and government will continue.

This is where the video ends. I don’t know if there is more but I am not able to find a part two. I can tell you from this statement of Cindy’s and all the teachings of the NAR they have an agenda to change and rule the world according to their own plans by taking dominion of the earth. They will do this through their apostolic structure, convincing others to come under their leadership. Their kingdom is that of the seven mountains of influence in society. They use the name of God, but not in the true sense as they do not come in His name, they do not teach His ways. This is the point she is making here at the end and is almost to say that Christ died in vain, we need more, we need dominion of the earth. Christ said His kingdom is not of the world. We are not to receive those who do not bring the true gospel of Jesus Christ. So be careful who you follow and what you work at.

Jesus said, Behold, I am coming quickly and My reward is with Me to give everyone according to his work. Revelation 22:12

Truth About the NAR

If you aren’t familiar with the New Apostolic Reformation, aka NAR, here are some links to give you some good information on who they are, how they started and what they believe. Forget about reading beliefs pages on their individual web sites. You will not find truth there. You will find it in their teachings and these great links! These men and women come in the name of Christ but are far from Him!

The main NAR members I expose here on my blog are –

Cal Pierce – International Association of Healing Rooms

Chuck Pierce (no relation that I am aware of)   – Glory of Zion

Dutch Sheets – Dutch Sheets Ministries

Cindy Jacobs  – Generals of Intercession

Bill Johnson and Rick Joyner are considered NAR by some, although not affiliated with Wagner that I can tell. (I don’t get into Joyner much and the only reason I mention him is due to his close relationship with, and restoration of Todd Bentley. They have the same teachings from the Latter Rain Movement, Word of Faith, Kingdom Now/Dominionism and Manifest Sons of God.

New Apostolic Reformation This is the index page for a series of articles on the Apostolic Movement or, as C. Peter Wagner, self-proclaimed “apostle” calls it, “The New Apostolic Reformation”.  “The most dangerous purveyors of deception are today’s restored apostles and prophets.  Why?  Because they purport to speak for our Lord and they claim to hold the greatest authority over the direction of the Church and the lives of God’s people. These apostles & prophets are the people that the majority of the other leaders in the charismatic movement look to for new insights, revelation, and vision for the future of the Church.

International Coalition of Apostles – As of 2/2010 current list of apostles (NAR members) under C. Peter Wagner

The Roots and Fruits of the NAR – Critical Issues Commentary -This article explores the idea of apostles in the church throughout church history. In it I will show that the restoration/Latter Rain idea that fuels the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is unbiblical and dangerous to the well-being of Christians who become part of it. First we will review how the early church understood apostles in church history. Then we will examine the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching about apostolic authority. From there we will examine the ideas of a 17th-century mystic given new life in the Latter Rain movement, and now the NAR.

Truthfully, there’s tons of information out there, but this will get you going in the right direction – at least. 🙂

Be blessed as you read the truth!

Boil, Toil and More Trouble from the NAR

Here are some of the things being said (prophesied and taught) by some NAR members. I continue to be amazed the way they are using tragic earthquakes and tsunamis for their own gain. Remember, to be a Christian is to become like Christ through following His teachings and being transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit and also through dedication and discipline of prayer and bible study. Salvation and transformation is not found through piety, or “doing”. It is all about the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God incarnate in what He did for us. It is never about man.  But notice Chuck’s so called prayer focus. Every day it is about do, do, do.  My friends, this is simply not biblical teaching!

From Elijah List

Chuck Pierce: The South Pacific Boils! PLUS Day 1-7 Prayer Focus to Release You to See Your Future – Prayer and intercession is keeping the portal between Heaven and Earth opened over us. During one portion of our Sunday morning service, Isaac Pierce began to play a drum with great intensity. The sound that was released and accompanied in song by LeAnn Squier was interpreted by Barbara Wentroble and Keith Pierce.

Prayer and intercession (to pray on the behalf of another) is to go before God the Father to make your requests known to Him. Christian prayer has nothing to do with the opening of a portal. We are given a mention in Revelation 5:8 of golden bowls full of incense which are the prayers of the saints. That’s the visual, nothing about a portal. Would you be surprised to find that portals are used in the occult?  How often we hear them from those who claim to be modern day apostles, prophets and teachers – here, Pierce, and also Bill Johnson, Todd Bentley, Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, Patricia King, John Paul Jackson and many who follow after them who are like minded. If these people speak for God where are they getting this idea?

Notice the connection Chuck Pierce makes between the release of sound – drum and song interpreted as prophetic word. You will need to judge the word just like we are told in scripture. For brevity, I will only post the sections that “wowed” me. If you wold like to read the word in it’s entirety, use the link above. Certainly there is much more that could be revealed.

Keith Pierce then said, “The moment that Isaac began to hit the drum, I saw ignition occur. As it ignited I saw fire begin to shoot out from our fingertips.

Fire out of fingertips. There is no way this is of God!

(Keith again) I keep seeing the waters of the South Pacific warming and beginning to bubble.

Barbara added this word of the Lord, I am going to give you power over the winds and over the waves. Even as My Son spoke to the winds and spoke to the waves and commanded them to be still, this is the hour that you will speak to the destructive winds and to the destructive waves and you shall cause them to be stilled.

This is about the only time you will hear about Jesus Christ. It is in the opportunistic wording of satan, to be like God, or when they pray or decree “in Jesus’ name”. They want to be God -and these words prove it. We do not have the power over wind and waves. Only Jesus, only God.

Mark 4:39 Then He arose ad rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Peace be still!” And the wind ceased and there was a great calm. Jesus calmed the sea and the wind. He did not teach his disciples who were with them to do it. If that were His intention, what a great teaching moment!  But, it was not and still to this day is not.

Keith continued, “Listen to the sound of war because it is building. When it builds My people will arise. When they arise, they will come to their new mantle. They will receive their new authority. They will extend their hands in a new way. Extend your hands and face the contrary wind. Speak to the ill winds and say, ‘Cease. You will not bring the locust across my land. Cease. You will not enter my cargo ship. Cease and desist.’ Today is the day that I am Jehovah-Shalom. I am your peace. I am your prosperity in the midst of the storm.”

Listen to the buzz words – sound of war, arise, new mantle, new authority? Oh, that’s the good one – new authority! By whom? Who will bring to the body of Christ this new authority? Christ said all authority is given to Me in heaven and on earth – Matthew 28:18.

And that last line almost makes us want to think it was God speaking – I am Jehovah-Shalom. But no! It cannot be our God because He never told us or taught us the things the NARites do. They do not come in the name of God because they do not speak His word. They have no power or authority over the church – none.  And that is my declaration to them!

The Hebrew letter symbol for the year 5770, Ayin, not only means to see, but the word means to BUD FORTH!

I say Chuck Pierce’s statement is divination! And is strictly forbidden in scripture. Leviticus 19:26, 31

From day one of the prayer focus by C Pierce –

One cycle that I feel we must break is linked to the spirit of poverty. In a materialistic society, this spirit tends to blind us from seeing the will of God. We must declare victory over the spirit of poverty! This spirit has violated God’s perfect order and produced instability in many individuals. I feel that the Lord is saying that we need to take a violent and passionate stand on behalf of the Body of Christ concerning this spirit—that we must press through difficulties and storms to force an atmospheric change.I declare that any atmosphere of poverty encircling around you or your sphere of authority will be invaded with the atmosphere of blessing and glory from Heaven.

I don’t necessarily believe in a spirit of poverty. There are many reasons for lack in our lives. But Chuck says this spirit will bind us from seeing the will of God. If that is the case, maybe repentance is in order, maybe it is a matter of getting our focus off our circumstances and back on to God. That is not done by a declaration that will change the atmospheric conditions around us. We are not affected spiritually the atmosphere, but by what we think on. Philippians 4:8, Proverbs 23:7, learn to be full or suffer lack – Philippians 4:12 and that it is Christ who gives us strength, v 13.

From day three-

The generation that came out of Egypt was filled with poverty resulting from slavery. Therefore, they resisted the war that would be necessary for them to be established in the abundance of God’s promises. Their fear caused their perspective of God’s purposes to be clouded and confused. They lost the ability to advance and enter into success. They could only see their enemy and not their victory! The enemy was in fear of them because they knew God was backing them. Riches were waiting for the covenant people of God and had to be postponed to another generation that would develop a mentality of dominion.

Number 14:11 Then the Lord said to Moses: “How long will these people reject me? And how long will they not believe Me with all the signs which I have performed among them?”  Clearly, not a matter of war as Chuckie would have us believe and do, but a matter of rejecting God. They did not lose the ability to enter into success, they were prevented from entering the promised land by the Almighty.  Still, not a matter of dominion, but one of obedience and adoration. Dominion is a key component of NAR/Word of Faith false doctrine. The people of God did not have to take dominion of the land, it was given to them by the Creator.

From day six-

I was recently in Las Vegas, and I asked the Lord, “What is the real problem here?” I heard Him say, “Sabbath is not part of this culture!”

Sabbath! I was recently in Las Vegas too. It is a vile place to be. Sabbath rest is not the problem. Sin is the problem.  I would say there’s a lot of resting going on there, at the expense of others. I cannot fathom our Righteous Father commenting in such a way!  Salvation, not rest, Jesus Christ is the need and He is not a matter of culture!

From day seven –

Let’s ask the Lord to remove the debt that has blinded us. Thank Him that He redeemed you from debt so He can show you how to be delivered today from any debt that surrounds you. Even if you have lost what you borrowed, you can recover! You can SEE your way past your debt.

Jesus Christ paid our debt of sin and through Him we are redeemed from death and eternal hell.  Following this false prophet’s direction will not lead you to Christ or His ways. He is a dangerous man intent on removing you from your relationship with the Lord by taking your focus off the true ways of God and the message of the gospel and convincing you that you need to do these these “prayer focuses” he puts out.  My friends, that work is deceitful, the work of Satan.

For many will come in my name, saying I am the Christ, and will deceive many. Matthew 24:5

Dobson Joins Forces with NAR

On May 1st  Dr. James Dobson joins forces with some of America’s leaders, pastors and members of the NAR in the name of prayer to turn the nation and it’s people from its –wicked ways–.

How can this be so, when the NAR has its own god?

They call it-

Mayday 2010 A Day to Cry to God for a Nation in Distress

I’d say so, as we see the unstoppable tentacles of C Peter Wagner’s life’s work of false teaching spread throughout all areas of our country.

Distress?

Absolutely.

And Another Wave Of….ad nauseum

I found this prophetic word (ahem) a little while ago, pertaining to the Chilean earthquake and tsunami. It nearly made me physically sick to read. Such garbage and mumbo jumbo coming out of the NAR and their little club and they get worse by the day!  People have died, lost loved ones, homes, jobs – everything, but let’s get a “word” in there.

I’m the one in blue.

A Wave of God’s Glory is Coming! by Cindy Jacobs

Does anyone understand precisely what it means when the NAR or the MSOG refer to God’s glory?

Last Friday night, February 26th, my husband and I had an unusual night – we weren’t speaking at a conference, traveling, or busy.  So we stayed home and watched a movie – Robinson Crusoe.

Remember, everything in the false prophetic has meaning.

The next morning we watched in shock and distress as news reached us that an 8.8 magnitude earthquake had shaken Chile during the night and that a tsunami wave had rolled over Robinson Crusoe Island just off the Chilean coast.

Ok, so if this woman is so prophetic why didn’t she know about the earthquake and tsunami before they happened? After all, she does speak about prophetic intercession and having that foresight is what that gift is all about. She calls herself a seer. But this “prophet to the nations” as she refers to herself had no clue.

While watching the news and praying, I recalled speaking at Chuck Pierce’s “Starting the Year off Right” conference in Denton, Texas on December 31, 2009.  Chuck prophesied that the Lord would begin to buckle highways as a sign of rearranging the order of the earth so that the covenant with God’s land could now manifest in a way that was stopped from manifesting in the last season.

Here’s where my barf bag comes out.

Chuckie – “buckle highways” as in cause accidents and more death? Some years ago they set up and declared by word of another prophet a Highway of Holiness and during that time a bridge collapsed and people died. That was enough prophetic intercession and highway buckling to last us a life time. Statement re:I-35

Rearrange the order of the earth – I can’t begin to imagine what that might mean, does anyone?

But the biggie – the covenant of God’s land – what covenant might that be exactly?

Stopped it from “manifesting” in the last season- Would that mean a failed prophecy? Or maybe God’s trying to tell Chuckie something.

These people truly have their own thing going on!

I proceeded to prophesy about earthquakes.  “I’m going to shake the earth.  You will begin to see earthquakes…I am coming to shake everything that can be shaken.”  Look where the earthquakes are hitting because God is going to release a wind of Pentecost in those places.

I dunno. She speaks of wind, so should we watch for hurricanes too? I need to know when God used the earth to bring salvation to His people – when EVER??? Because the gospel of Jesus Christ is the emphasis of the life and purpose of a Christian, not earthquakes! And no matter how good the power stuff of Pentecost sounds or how it appeals to those who adore power, there is no Pentecost without SALVATION! And there is no true power without the presence of the Holy Spirit, and He does not dwell with liars and false prophets.

Jesus told his disciples that earthquakes would be a sign of His coming, a sign of the end of the age in Matthew 24. He said nothing about a wind of Pentecost hitting the same areas.

Geomancer – one who divines by lines or geographic features. Hmmm…

God has a way of taking those things that Satan means for evil and bringing great glory out of them.  This will be the case for these disasters.

I am the first to admit, to know first hand that God works miracles for His people who trust Him in tragedy and that will always be my testimony. But, it takes some doing on the part of the believer and not just some prophetic declaration swooshed over it like – TADA!!! – all better! They need the word of God, meaning the bible, His truth, His love, His forgiveness! They need salvation and the only way they are going to get there is the old fashioned way, the tried and true way, God’s way –  through preaching the word!

But alas, more mumbo jumbo:

Since the December 31 prophecy about earthquakes, on January 12, Haiti was rocked with a massive 7.0 (full circle, completion) magnitude shaking and then Chile on February 27.  The earthquake in Chile rocked the city of Concepcion (conception, birthing) with an 8.8 (double new beginnings) magnitude.  I believe this represents birthing of double new beginnings of glory in the earth.  I believe God desires not only to heal Chile and Haiti but to turn these terrible disasters for good for His people.

This is not the way of our Lord God. He does not speak to us in numbers. This use of numerology is of the occult  and is associated with  astrology and linked to the ancient Kaballah which is a practice of Jewish or Hebrew mysticism. The use of the occult and its various forms is strictly forbidden in scripture.

The way she is using these horrindous disasters as a spring board for her purposes makes me sick. It makes me sad for God’s people, for those who are dellusioned by this woman and it makes me sad for her. I used to listen to her and trust her as my teacher until the Lord showed me the error.

And maybe good things can come from bad if we position ourselves spiritually, but I hate this opportunist method of the false prophetic so much. It gives false hope to those who are desperate and needing answers and direction. It is no different from fortune tellers or psychics.

As mentioned, after the earthquake in Chile, a tsunami raced across Robinson Crusoe Island, bringing havoc.  The people on the island did not receive the warning in time, resulting in devastation.  However, God is going to touch this little island and rescue it in a unique way and it will be rebuilt.

Havoc. Devastation. Yes – say it. Death and lots of it. And under worse conditions, possible disease, famine. People don’t just walk out of this in a day.  And as far as a rescue? What might that be? There is only Jesus Christ, and yes, He is unique in comparison to other gods, other religions. But He is the only way, nothing unique or new is going to come and pull them from the horror they now face. How dare this be implied in the name of God!

The tsunami then swept across the ocean towards Hawaii.  The Lord gave me a word in 1992 that Hawaii would become the first Christian state.  I asked the Lord, “What is happening?”  He replied, “I am getting ready to sweep the face of the earth with my glory as the waters cover the sea.”  (see Hab 2:14)

Hawaii – the first Christian state. That’s just stupid for obvious reasons. Need to know what’s happening from God? Read the bible.

Hawaii was ready with a prayer army and early warning devices and so was not damaged with this natural tsunami, but the glory of the Lord will remain.

So, meaning there had to have been tsunami damage before the Lord would move?

Then the Lord reminded me, “This is the week of your Convergence gathering in Dallas.”  I then made the connect – God is going to use Convergence to release His glory into the seven mountains or sectors of society.  In fact, we begin with Lance Wallnau who has been used of God to teach about the seven mountains in such a powerful way.

The seven mountains. Yes. The kingdom man built, something like Babel.

The Lord then spoke to me, “Have every speaker decree at the end of their session that the glory of God will begin to sweep the earth into their mountains of society.”

When I hear statements like these I wonder if I should consider it harmless hog wash or if there is something quite vile, wicked, with power being released in their words.

I saw in a vision of a gathering of waters, piling up full of glory, that are being prepared to sweep the face of the earth in a great move of prayer, intercession, miracles, and glory.

Yeah, right.

He is coming to shake everything that can be shaken and fill the earth with His glory.  By Saturday night of Convergence we are going to decree a release of His glory.  The earth is groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God revealing who He is in the nations of the earth.  His glory will be seen through the church (religion), family, government, education, business, arts/entertainment, and media mountains.

The sons of God and to them it is the Manifest Sons of God who will embody Christ. That will be their revelation –  the god of the seven mountains – who is not the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, nor the one who sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, nor the Father of us all. The Kingdom of God is not of this world!

Make your way to Dallas by car, bus, or plane.  I believe God’s glory is going to be revealed in our midst in great and wondrous ways.

Did anyone see mention of Jesus Christ in any of Cindy Jacob’s words as a prophet of the Lord?

This is where I say MARANATHA! Come Lord Jesus.

Isaiah 64 1-5 Oh that You would rend the heavens!  That You would come down! That the mountains might shake at Your presence-

2 As fire burns brushwood, As fire causes water to boil – To make Your name known to Your adversaries, That the nations may tremble at Your presence.

3 For when You did awesome things for which we did not look, You came down, The mountains shook at Your presence.

4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, Nor has the eye seen any God besides You who acts for the one who waits for Him.

5 You meet him who rejoices and does righteousness, Who remembers You in Your ways. You are indeed angry, for we have sinned – In these ways we continue; And need to be saved.


Which Way to The Way?

While wondering around I came on a site about Martial Arts written by Gaylene Goodroad, a woman who practiced for quite a few years, earning two black belts.  She now warns others of its truth and the roots beneath this often-practiced religion disguised as a  self affirming, good-for-the-kiddies “sport” and self discipline.  She makes the link between MA and Contemplative Prayer or Meditation. Ahhh-HA! Fascinating!

You know how we have briefly discussed the CharisMANIA manifestations and the link to Kundalini in their shocking similarities? You will see the link between  the Kundalini “Serpent Power” and MA! More Ahhh-Ha!  Think Chuck Norris is one to follow?  Think again!

Make sure you take a look at the free PDF booklet offered on her site at the very bottom of the page. It is full of good information. As I write this I am reminded of a friend who takes her son to MA and claims she does not care if it is bad or not, as long as it helps him. It is no wonder with this mindset that other spiritual disciplines have crept into the church. They began in our homes!

Its been almost eighteen years since my conversion to Christ–and the renouncement of both my black belts–but it wasn’t until recently that I fully realized the close kinship between the spiritual roots of the martial arts and the Emergent/Contemplative spirituality engulfing the Church of Jesus Christ. After some research, I discovered that the devil’s lie from Genesis 3 has been cleverly repackaged and marketed to unsuspecting karate enthusiasts for hundreds of years, and is now simpatico among many professing Christians. Although I studied Okinawan and Japanese martial arts systems for thirteen years, I had unwittingly succumbed to a plethora of unbiblical beliefs and practices due to language differences among the many Eastern disciplines. For example, I hadn’t made the connection between “Do,” (meaning, “way“, in Japanese), with the Chinese (Confucianist) Tao/Dao, meaning the same thing. This becomes significant to the Christian, because the Do/Tao/Dao is synonymous with the Buddhist Yin/Yang philosophy which is pantheistic, not monotheistic, in nature. It is a spiritual “way“–or journey–diametrically opposed to biblical Christianity.

Follow the link to Gaylene’s blog and the PDF booklet. –

My Life in The Way – Gaylene Goodroad

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Faith Healing Casualty

Parents Jeffrey and Marci Beagley of Oregon sentenced to serve time in connection with son’s death!

OREGON CITY — Clackamas County Circuit Court Judge Steven Maurer sentenced Jeffrey and Marci Beagley to 16 months in prison this afternoon, calling the couple’s decision to not seek medical care for their 16-year-old son, Neil Beagley, “a crime that was a product of an unwillingness to respect the boundaries of freedom of religious expression”.

Who wants to end up this way? Is it enough to suffer the death of a beloved child and then to be found guilty in that death? I cannot imagine the pain, the guilt and suffering they will face in the months and years to come. Certainly, my heart goes out to them. What a horrific price to pay to find out too late the scriptural truth taught in excesses by these word of faith “healers” do not work.

Another warning to pay attention to what we are taught and who and what we allow ourselves to believe in. Jesus healed all who He laid hands on to show He is God. And tho He still heals through prayer and His sovereign will, He does not heal everyone. We aren’t given reasons for that. God’s ways are not our own. Anyone coming with a solution or a reason that a healing does not “manifest” (a lack of faith or lack of enough faith, failure to realize a true ability to be healed, healing is a right given to us, sickness and disease is a curse that needs to be broken, etc.)  is a liar before God.

It is a very good thing to have the medical care that we have in the US. It is pure ignorance and stupidity taught by these word of faith healers that we or our loved ones only need to “believe” and we will never need a doctor’s help. We are NOT promised divine health and healing at salvation.

Believe this – those who teach these lies of divine health go to doctors and dentists, wear glasses, take medication for their high blood pressure or insulin for their diabetes. They have all kinds of medical procedures done to them and their loved ones. One day they will all die as their bodies wear out.  Before that they will suffer various end life ailments and even wear corrective eye lenses and hearing aides. Many of them will die of illness or incurable disease. And even before their own death comes many would have lived lives of luxury from all those believers who gladly paid them to perform or to teach them such miracles. But, die they will. And guess why? Because sin equals physical death for us all and there is no getting around it. Romans 6:23

Again, if you or someone you love is involved in a healing ministry, if you are being taught in a church or para church organization that divine healing is yours, you are following a false teacher. Get out from them and into the word. Get the focus off the illness and on to God for His will in your life.

This situation or one similar can happen to any of us who are untaught and unstable in the word of God.