Vid – More on Obama’s Plan For Your Health

Someone sent this video to me. What is this— Health Care Bill hidden in the STIMULUS PLAN????

I still do not understand why Obama has not been impeached. He’s tearing America apart peice by piece which is treason.  The GOP is too scared to take real action; all they want is  m-o-n-e-y.  Do we think a vote will cure this malpractice in Washington when all we have seen is things going from bad to worse??? Vote? YES, but don’t hold your breath. Those in power, those who have the real power to bring change don’t seem to care much.

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WOF Lie – Jesus Died Spiritually

For those who don’t know, the ‘Word Faith’ movement is a movement within the Pentecostal and Charismatic church which emphasizes miracles and money above the cross. There are many aspects to the Word Faith movement, but they seem to all agree on one false teaching. ‘Jesus died spiritually’.

Read this important article from Moriel

The ‘Jesus Died Spiritually’ Doctrine of the Word of Faith Teachers

Dominion and the Rule of Adam

When Adam sinned at “the fall”, he handed his dominion and his power to rule the earth over to Satan.

This is the claim made by Dominion and Kingdom Now doctrine supported by the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)/Word of Faith teachings.

Is it true? I’ve thought about this quite a bit since it was brought to my attention. I’ve heard this claim by Cal Pierce, International Association of Healing Rooms; Bill Johnson, Bethel; and Cindy Jacobs, Generals International. I am sure there are others who teach it. So, I’ve considered it, read commentaries and searched the word.

It is important for us to understand the rule Adam was given, and the extent of his dominion given to him by God.

The rule of Adam-

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth”. 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Clearly, the dominion given to man is over the fish, the birds, the cattle, things that creep; everything that moves.

Genesis 2:7-8 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. 8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man who He had formed.

v15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

So we have the creation of Adam, his placement in the garden of Eden and his work to tend and keep it. In addition is the command from the Lord God all the trees he may eat of, and the one tree he could not, along with the dire consequences if he so chose.

Notice there is no mention of spiritual authority or rule given to Adam. There was no need for it as the Lord God walked with Adam in the garden during the cool of the day. (3:8)

Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.

God brought the animals before Adam so that he could name them.

v 21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

So, the creation of Eve, although not yet so named.

Adam does not create or declare or decree anything. He speaks nothing into existence. He was created by God, as was Eve, and given rule over the living things on the earth.  The word is very clear on Who the Creator is, and who is the created. Adam and Eve were simply gardeners in a very beautiful place, having a face to face relationship with their God who created them. I doubt they had much confusion on that issue. The main point here  –  relationship with God – let’s not miss out on that.

In Chapter 3 is the very sad deception of the serpent and the fall of mankind. The serpent, Satan, already a known usurper and deceiver to the Lord.

Isaiah 14:12-15 How you are fallen from the heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!  How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13For you have said in your heart; ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation, on the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High’. 15 Yet, you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit.

Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven”.

Now, I am not sure when exactly Satan was kicked out of heaven. I don’t know if anyone has that answer, whether it was before the creation of man, or after. The point is, he was kicked out and is now a fallen being.

John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.  He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

I will leave you to read Genesis 3 on your own as I will only pull out pertinent verses to make the point.

3:14 So the Lord God said to the serpent” Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.

You will notice in the verses prior, God calls out to Adam and asks him what he has done. This is not the case with the serpent as God did not call to him, or question him, He simply imposed the curse —done. Verse 15 is the first prophecy for the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Even then, God had prepared a way for us to resume our relationship with Him.

Verse 16 is the curse on the woman which I won’t go into.

Verse 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’ : Cursed is the ground for your sake; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and you shall eat the herb of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you shall return.

In verse 24 God drove Adam and Eve out from the garden.

There is no swapping of power or dominion or rule from Adam to Satan. The dominion over the fish, the birds, the animals, etc. was given to Adam by God while he lived in the garden. When he sinned he was stripped of his rule and his dominion in the same way Lucifer was stripped of his place in the heavens at the time of his fall when he claimed to ascend the throne of the Most High.

Adam possessed the dominion and rule that was given to him by God, nothing more. He had no authority to give it away. I find it hard to believe he would hand it over to the evil, fallen being that he himself had fallen prey to. For Adam to do such a thing would seem he would have been in agreement with Satan.

Notice also God did not hand dominion over to Satan! We have a fallen state of creation, man and beast. Satan has been given permission to deceive and to wander throughout the earth. While the earth and all in it may be under the sway of the evil one, he is a liar and the father of lies, even his authority is limited.

As there is no basis for a “dominion hand over” found in scripture, we must question where this very popular teaching originated. If not from scripture, where? And that being the case, why do so many continue to be deceived by it?

It stands to reason those following the NAR and the teachings of the seven mountains prophecy buy into this as it gives them reason to “take dominion of the earth” from the very hands of satan. It must provide them a place of great power and authority to believe they can accomplish such a thing.

Lawsuit Filed Against Bethel Students

This article from Record Searchlight Redding.com is a heartbreaking story of two Bethel School of the Supernatural Ministry students, too much alcohol consumption and false promises of divine power in healing. A  man nearly lost his life because of some very bad choices that should not have been made. I hope people who attend this ministry or the church and those involved in Word of Faith teachings begin to do some real questioning on what they are being taught. Jesus healed all to prove He was the promised Messiah, the Son of the living God, the one who was prophesied to come. We, as His followers do not have the same power that He worked during His ministry here on earth. Believe otherwise as this ministry teaches, and other WOFers, and you may find yourself in a similar situation as this one, or at the least extremely disappointed with your faith in question.

Rather than call police when their drinking partner fell — or was pushed — off a nearly 200-foot cliff, two students at a Redding Bible school tried first to reach the severely wounded man and pray him back to life, a lawsuit alleges.

In a lawsuit filed this month in Shasta County Superior Court exactly two years to the day after he was pulled by search-and-rescue crews from the banks of the Sacramento River, Jason Michael Carlsen alleges that when Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry students Sarah Elisabeth Koivumaki and Zachary Gudelunas couldn’t reach him to heal him with their prayers, they spent hours debating whether to call the police.

Bethel’s members purport to have the ability to heal people through prayer and bring the dead back to life.

The two later told police they thought Carlsen was killed in the fall.

Worried that they would be exiled from the church, the two Bethel students also went so far as to try to cover up evidence they’d even been at the top of the cliff, the lawsuit alleges.

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Susan Puzio Interviews Bud Press CRS

Susan Puzio, Blog Talk Radio conducted an interview with Bud Press of  Christian Research Service. Their talk was for about an hour linked here – Men as Gods, Born Again Jesus and the New Age.  Bud gives some good, down to earth information on these topics. I also appreciated the information he gave on Jesus visions that are so popular these days.

If you need the direct link -http://www.blogtalkradio.com/prophetic-news/2010/10/09/men-as-godsborn-again-jesus-the-new-age-movement

Another timely interview between them on the End Times can be found here.

Direct link -http://www.blogtalkradio.com/prophetic-news/2010/08/28/bud-press-from-christian-research-service-end-times

Bud has been doing research since the 80’s, I believe, and has some valuable information on his site CSR  (linked in the first paragraph). You will also find his latest newsletter linked under the reading section of my blogroll. Bud posed some important, yet unanswered questions to Todd Bentley in an article that I put up here some time back.

I certainly appreciate the work Bud has been so devoted to over these years and appreciate his simple advice – “learn all you can about Jesus”.  Blessings Bud.  🙂

Be informed – — My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. – Hosea 4:6

Yet Another Healing Revival With No Healing

This was just brought to my attention

ABC/Nightline recently did a show on yet another healing revival currently underway in Mobile, Alabama. You may recognize these practices –  the endless “worship” the laying on of hands to the forehead, people falling down, speaking in tongues, the name “John Kilpatrick” and the “Brownsville Revival”. You may also remember that Nightline did a show on Todd Bentley during the Lakeland Outpouring in which there were claims made of many who were healed and even raised from the dead. None of which were ever proven true. Now, don’t you think if this were the case the media would be all over it? We would still be hearing reports of healings througout the internet. And certainly if anyone was raised from the dead the news would resound to this day.

As you watch this video and hear the claims of healing remember Jesus healed all He touched or spoke to. The healing was immediate and complete at that same moment. There is not one instance that someone had to wait for more healing to manifest at a later date. When God healed it was without question and those around were witness to an absolute miracle.

This is not what we are seeing in this video, or in times past. These are not true healings! They are emotional outbursts, feelings, bodily sensations and counterfeit gifts created by the enemy. Whether they be demonic or psychological, the intention is to get the believer’s mind off the truth and on to their claims of the miraculous. And please, drop the cash in the bucket up in front. Healing incurs much expense.

Here’s your link –

Nightline: Turning to Revivals for Healing

Finally Found! The Roots of the Seven Mountains Mandate

I’ve been wondering for a very long time where the teaching of the “Seven Mountains” came from. Because I first heard it from the original NAR group – Peter Wagner, Chuck Pierce and Cindy Jacobs I thought maybe it was Peter Wagner.  Over the last few years I’ve watched Lance Wallnau become quite a well-known teacher on this topic although I have never sat and listened to him for very long. So, while I have been aware of this  – prophecy-mandate-movement-doctrine – I’ve never understood exactly from where it originated. And you know me, I like to know the roots of stuff.

This end times “take dominion over the earth” is taught by a large group all over the world, namely the NAR, and you have heard it referred to as domininon theology or kingdom now theology. Even after all my reading and research I continued to wonder where the teaching originated. Recently I came across an interview of Loren Cunnngham, Youth With A Mission (YWAM) and realized I finally found the roots. (yay!)

Following is a clip from the transcript of an interview with Loren Cunningham;  its entirety can be found here Reclaiming the Seven Mountains of Culture.

It was August, 1975.  My family and I were up in a little cabin in Colorado.  And the Lord had given me that day a list of things I had never thought about before.  He said “This is the way to reach America and nations for God.  And {He said}, “You have to see them like classrooms or like places that were already there, and go into them with those who are already working in those areas.”  And I call them “mind-molders” or “spheres”.  I got the word “spheres” from II Corinthians 10 where Paul speaks in the New American Standard about the “spheres” he had been called into.  And with these spheres there were seven of them, and I’ll get to those in a moment.  But it was a little later that day, the ranger came up, and he said, “There is a phone call for you back at the ranger’s station.”    So I went back down, about 7 miles, and took the call.  It was a mutual friend who said, “Bill Bright and Vonnette are in Colorado at the same time as you are.  Would you and Darlene come over and meet with them? They would love to meet with you.”  So we flew over to Boulder on a private plane of a friend of ours.  And as we came in and greeted each other, {we were friends for quite a while}, and I was reaching for my yellow paper that I had written on the day before.  And he said, “Loren, I want to show you what God has shown me!” And it was virtually the same list that God had given me the day before.  Three weeks later, my wife Darlene had seen Dr. Francis Shaffer on TV and he had the same list!  And so I realized that this was for the body of Christ.

So, according to Loren’s account, the three of them received a message and concluded it was from God. Even after finding the scripture referred to as 2 Corinthians 10 I don’t see a connection to what Paul was speaking of in the scripture beginning in verse 13. See here –

13 We, however, will not boast beyond measure, but within the limits of the sphere which God appointed us—a sphere which especially includes you. 14 For we are not overextending ourselves (as though our authority did not extend to you), for it was to you that we came with the gospel of Christ; 15 not boasting of things beyond measure, that is, in other men’s labors, but having hope, that as your faith is increased, we shall be greatly enlarged by you in our sphere, 16 to preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man’s sphere of accomplishment.

Spheres, not mountains and a sphere which is round could never become a mountain which is not. So – word games? bad geometry? But in the context – the meeeeeannnninnnng – which to the best of my understanding as used here is region or area of influence where the gospel was, is and will be preached in making reference to his apostolic authority where the Lord has led him to preach it.  (There’s more going on in this chapter, but I don’t see the need to address it now. Feel free to hash it later on.)

To continue the transcript (emphasis mine):

I gave it for the first time in Hamburg, Germany at the big cathedral there to a group of hundreds of young people that had gathered at that time. And I said, “These are the areas that you can go into as missionaries.  Here they are: First, it’s the institution set up by God first, the family.  After the family was church, or the people of God.  The third was the area of school, or education. The fourth was media, public communication, in all forms, printed and electronic.  The fifth was what I call “celebration”, the arts, entertainment, and sports, where you celebrate within a culture.  The sixth would be the whole area of the economy, which starts with innovations in science and technology, productivity, sales, and service.  The whole area we often call it business but we leave out sometimes the scientific part, which actually raises the wealth of the world.  Anything new, like making sand into chips for a microchip, that increases wealth in the world.  And then of course prediction sales and service helps to spread the wealth.  And so the last was the area of government.  Now government, the Bible shows in Isaiah 33 verse 22 that there are three branches of government, so it’s all of the three branches:  judicial, legislative, and executive.  And then there are subgroups under all of those seven groups.  And there are literally thousands upon thousands of sub-groups.  But those seven can be considered like Caleb:  “Give me this mountain,” and they can be a “mountain” to achieve for God.

Notice, Loren began this segment of the story stating “I said” not “God said”.  And to young people – YOUNG PEOPLE! Again, referring to the scripture in 2 Corinthians 10 Paul mentions nothing of the seven mountains which are: Family, Religion, Government, Arts/Entertainment (not to forget someone recently added sports to that mountain), Media, Education and Economy/Business. So, how is it these men can conclude this is a message from God to be preached, taught and utilized by all believers?

And just as a side note and because I cannot let this go, Loren claimed the government as shown in Isaiah 33 v 22. My NKJV reads- (For the Lord is our Lawgiver, The Lord is our King; He will save us)  Nothing said, or inferred, as far as I can see about government! Maybe it’s a typo on their end, but where’s the credibility here???

Here is a short video supporting the Seven Mountains Mandate by Os Hillman

Notice the emphasis placed on the mountain that will bring in the cash needed to carry out this mandate which is also necessary for the success of the other mountains. To them, nothing can be accomplished without that money. They saved this particular mountain until toward the end of the video because it is the most important and they want that remembered just as in Loren’s story. Was this the message of Christ?

Mark 6:7-9 –7 And He called the twelve to Himself, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits. 8 He commanded them to take nothing for the journey except a staff—no bag, no bread, no copper in their money belts9 but to wear sandals, and not to put on two tunics.

Mark 10:23  Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!”

Jesus never emphasised the need for money in preaching the gospel, in sending His own out or even in their day to day affairs. Its like He knew whatever the need it would be provided. Hmmm..

Matthew 6:31-33 31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

If you follow this Seven Mountain mandate you will be taken on a quest to become educated and work to achieve a place of promised authority and power in your “mountain”. Instead you will find yourself in a place in which you become subject to the leadership and rule of a false apostle and prophet. We are supposed to be light to the lost but in proper context.  Why would God instruct anyone to take over these spheres or mountains and build a kingdom here on earth when Jesus stated His kingdom was not of this world? Why would He give messages to build and  take over society that He intends on destroying at the end of time? Why would He direct people to devise ways to gain cash when He showed such little interest in it among His own? He would not. It is that simple.

From where you are at, preach the gospel to those around you, praying for their salvation, and yes, go out as a missionary if you are called to it! Until Christ returns His kingdom is a spiritual one here on earth. We are joined by our faith and are like-minded through the clear and simple teachings of the word of God, for this is our unity. And we are led by the Spirit of God in all things.

Blessed be His name.