a way that seems right

There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death. Even in laughter the heart may sorrow and the end of mirth may be grief. Proverbs 14:12-13

Ken Silva at Apprising Ministries brought his article to my attention several days ago because of the attention it gathered on facebook, trafficked to his blog and the opportunity it brings for us to proclaim the truth.

I took some time to go through it to consider his words and read the additional information linked throughout. Ken is bringing some important connections to the attention of all who will listen as we see the emergents coming out as, and endorsing the gay lifestyle and some admitting to universalism. (Some admit, some do not, but the truth is in their words.)

I have to say what struck me the hardest is the video of Randy Roberts Potts at the end of the article. He was hard to listen to at first, a little sheepish, unsure, and a little mocking. But I held in there and soon that off-putting sense turned to compassion. Here we see a man, once a little boy, under the heavy handed, drivenness of his grandfather, Oral Roberts. A boy who questioned and found his answer the day he opened the bible and applied truth to the first scripture he came to. Had someone told this 12 year old boy the importance of context and the danger of personalizing scripture maybe he would have arrived at a different conclusion regarding the calling of God upon his grandfather.

From personal experience I can understand how false teaching can affect us the rest of our lives, especially when it is done at a young age. False doctrine leads to various forms of sin and causes many to turn from the true faith. At the same time, many things that feel right to us are not, and separate us from the one true relationship we do need with Christ. As Christians we are called out of sin, out of the desire to go against the things God has commanded us to avoid. He is a God of love and that great love is what brought Him to the earth as a man and to die on the cross. But His love will not excuse our indulgence of the flesh.

1 Corinthians 9-11 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you . But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Let’s remember to pray for Randy and his family – wife and children- he has set aside for his gay lifestyle. Let’s pray that Randy comes to know the real Jesus, not the one who was packaged and sold in the great bible belt of America.

From Apprising Ministriesย  – Randy Roberts Potts and the Gay Son of Oral Roberts (the article)

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57 thoughts on “a way that seems right

  1. M’Kayla,

    When I read your I Corinthians 6 reference above you know what immediately came to my mind? The horrible way “The Message Bible” rendered those verses. In place of the list of all of those specific sins that are listed in that passage, “The Message” sums them all up in this way: “Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don’t qualify as citizens in God’s kingdom.”

    Talk about confusing the issue(s). Would anyone reading that really know that homosexuality is wrong? Probably not if they are some of the ones that say they are in a commited, loving relationship.

    If a person can’t even read a Bible to learn what is sin in God’s eyes…..

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    • Gag. Abuse the earth? NKJV says nothing of the sort! Eugene Peterson is in bad shape spiritually. Christians who read The Message should beware and toss it into the fire.

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      • Yeah well, that is only one of Peterson’s “The Message” atrocities. I can’t for the life of me figure out why so many people can read it and think it is great.

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  2. Hi M’Kayla & Cheryl, there’s a very good critique of ‘The Message’ book, that shows several proofs that this book is occultic through & through. The most famous is the phrase in ‘the Lord’s prayer’ , where instead of; “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven”, is replaced with; “As above, so below”. If you google that phrase, you’ll find that it’s a part of the most powerful spell occulists know of. Look it up, it will shock you. The Message is pure evil, mixed with enough truth to deceive.

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    • Yes, Alan I’ve read about that, considered an article and put it aside. It all gets very creepy with the Emerald Tablet and so on. I hope that others use the internet to help find this information too.

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    • Thanks Alan. I’ve done a lot of reading and research on this in the past few years. I likely have read the article you are talking about. It is shocking and horrific that all of those occlutic phrases are used. Intentional or not, it is a disaster and very dangerous, IMO.

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  3. About Randy Roberts Potts (to get this thread back on track, lol):

    I’m trying to follow you here. Are you saying that Oral Roberts’ teaching/preaching is the reason for his oldest son’s departure from truth, and this grandson’s, as well? While I do not agree with all of Roberts’ teaching, I never heard him preach anything which could be construed as supporting immorality in any way.

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    • Audrey, did you listen to his video at the link. In a sense it IS what I am saying, altho I don’t necessarily blame Oral for the homosexuality. No, I wouldn’t say he supported it, either. But I do find a link between false teaching and those who fall away, false conversions, etc. There is also “the sins of the father” to consider for those who are not redeemed in Christ. It is most important that you hear the video. Maybe you will hear what I do.

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    • Haha! Yeah, it was sort of ‘off topic’ wasn’t it? But not completely so, as I agree with M’Kayla’s point, which I read as; false doctrine will eventually bring forth apostasy. ( M’Kayla, please let me know if I got that wrong). The fact that people get saved under the ‘ministry’ of false teachers is no mystery, as God’s Word will not reurn to Him void. Even Marjoe Gortner preached some truth, including the basic Gospel, and people got saved. God saves people in the Catholic church and leads them out of it. The fact that people were saved as a result of Mike Warnke’s preaching, even though his whole testimony was a lie, doesn’t let Mike off the hook for that, but just shows the out working of Rom 10:17;
      “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” False teachers have to teach some truth and the salvation is usually taught as a minimum, so people get saved. They usually get out pretty soon after. Oral Robert’s prosperity/healing teachings were still wrong, no matter how many people got saved by his gospel preaching. Nowadays this happens less frequently, because the true gospel is preached less often and there are therefore less people being truly saved.

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      • HI Alan, yes, that was the point I was trying to make. ๐Ÿ™‚ I have to appreciate your addition to that from Romans 10:17. Many of us agree that without the gospel message no one can be saved, and is like you said not getting out there in today’s meetings. You’ve made some valued points!

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      • “Oral Robertโ€™s prosperity/healing teachings were still wrong, no matter how many people got saved by his gospel preaching.”

        I agree with you about prosperity teaching in general. As I understood it, OR was seeking to correct unBiblical teachings from his childhood which equated poverty with godliness, but I believe he went too far the other way in an attempt to bring balance.

        Are you saying here that you do not believe that God heals people supernaturally? Or that you do not believe God healed people through OR as his instrument? I’m not assuming either, and I realize you could have meant something completely different. Thank you for your time.

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  4. I did not see a video at the link. If you could post a link here, that would be great.

    Again, seeking to follow you: Are you saying that Oral Roberts’ teachings were false? Are you saying that those converted under his preaching were false conversions? I have heard him preach things from the Bible which are true. AFAIK, he is retired now, isn’t preaching anymore.

    IMHO, we must be careful about attributing sins of sons/grandsons to fathers/grandfathers. When Samuel’s sons turned away from God and he was heartbroken about it, the Lord God assured him that he was not to blame.

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        • Yes, I did hear that OR had died, a few years ago. It had slipped my mind. I was not able to sign on as Claire a few days ago, so had to change my posting name.

          This statement is from the article you linked:

          “Where once again, a man who claimed he had the power to heal others could not, like his predecessors, heal himself.”

          I remember that when Jesus died on the cross, HIs detractors said something to the effect that He had saved others, but He could not save Himself.

          Please don’t misunderstand: I’m not seeking to compare OR with Jesus, not at all. The Bible says that it is appointed unto man once to die, then after that the judgment. Yes, every man will die physically, whether he is a Christian, or not. The Christian does not die spiritually; instead, he is an heir of eternal life.

          The Bible also says that God has given the gift of healing to the Body, indeed all the gifts of the Spirit, “severally, as He will”. The gifts of the Spirit are listed in I Corinthians 12. I am one who has been healed supernaturally by the Lord, more than once. That doesn’t mean my physical body will live forever — of course not. I do know from firsthand experience that God can heal, and He does heal. I cannot explain any more than that, for He is sovereign. I believe every word Jesus spoke about healing and the confirming words of the prophets and apostles.

          To be clear, I am not a proponent of every thing taught by Word Faith teachers. I agree with some things and disagree with others. My point of reference is always tthe Holy Bible, the Word of God.

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          • Mkayla, I apologize for this seemingly double post. Please delete the first one. I was trying to edit a typo in the first one. Is there a way we can edit?

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          • Those who place emphasis on healing have been proven to be without that gift they claim to have. They teach healing to the excess and yet are found themselves to be sick. This is not a denial of God’s ability to heal, but it is calling a false teacher for what they are. In Charismania/WOF there are many who set up conferences and healing services, yet people go away as sick as they were when they came it. But because of the false teaching they have believed, they search and chase after the next person who may have the right word, the right scripture, the right touch that will bring healing. This is not God. When Christ healed it was immediate, complete. And, yes, when God heals it is His will to do so. The false healers turn it around believing it is their power, their gift and if the person is not healed it is their fault.

            With a little more research you will find that most everything coming from the mouths of WOFers do not line up with scripture. The things they may be off on, or a little off cancels the entire ministry. And those who were off a little bit have proven to go way off the deep end now. These are the ones Christ warned about that many would come in His name. They are also the ones warned about in Acts, those who will rise from Christian groups.

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            • “Those who place emphasis on healing have been proven to be without that gift they claim to have. They teach healing to the excess and yet are found themselves to be sick.”

              I’m not sure what you mean “to the excess” and I don’t feel comfortable lumping all teachers who believe God can/does heal together. I remember that the prophet Elisha in the OT was used by the Lord God to heal people and do other mighty miracles, and he himself died of a sickness. So I do not expect someone whom God uses to heal others to die without ever having been sick.

              “With a little more research you will find that most everything coming from the mouths of WOFers do not line up with scripture. The things they may be off on, or a little off cancels the entire ministry. And those who were off a little bit have proven to go way off the deep end now. These are the ones Christ warned about that many would come in His name. They are also the ones warned about in Acts, those who will rise from Christian groups.”

              I am familiar with some of the ‘older’ names in the WOF movement, but not nearly as familiar with some who are said to be active in it today. Personally, I can’t say that I’ve ever heard a preacher or teacher who was absolutely just right about everything. If “a little off cancels the entire ministry”, I would think that negates the ministry of many very-well-thought-of preachers and teachers today, even guys I’ve seen positively referenced here and elsewhere. ITA with you about those who have definitely gone off the deep end, who have little to no Biblical support for their teaching/preaching/mnistries. The Scripture which supports your next to last sentence here is familiar to me. Can you post the one your last sentence is based on? Thank you.

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              • No, no. To excess are those who claim it is our right to be healed, free of disease, never to be sick, part of the atonement. Cal Pierce is known for his quote something about the church needs to be healed and won’t go to battle on crutches. They believe none of us should ever be sick. Yet, they themselves are.

                The way the WOF/Charismania/Emergent mess is unfolding is that it began with one thing out of whack and grew to another and then another until today the things they claim to be truth do not even resemble true Christianity, at least as far as the bible is concerned. This is not a matter of being off a little, yes it is ok to be in error, but we need to have the right attitude so that it can be corrected. These who continue in the error do not have such an attitude.

                I’m not sure what scripture you thought I was quoting. ??

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                • “The way the WOF/Charismania/Emergent mess is unfolding…”

                  I don’t understand why you lump these together in one “fold”? There are some distinctions between them. Also, I know people who believe that the Word of God has power over the enemy, they believe the Scripture which says “Life and death are in the power of the tongue”, yet they are not WOF. I know people who believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit (to which the Greek word “charis” in the NT refers), but they are not manics of any kind, let alone Charismanics.

                  Truthfully, it bothers me when people take the word “charismatic” and change it to mean something very derogatory, for this reason. I myself have experienced derision because I believe that every word of the Bible is true, that the Lord God is faithful and true.. I’ve known people who derided the “full Gospel”, and I’ve wanted to ask them “What part of the Gospel do you prefer to leave out?”.

                  I didn’t say you had quoted a Scripture. I was asking you which Scripture in Acts this referred to?

                  “They are also the ones warned about in Acts, those who will rise from Christian groups.โ€

                  Thanks again, M’Kayla, and God bless you. ๐Ÿ™‚

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                  • The reason why I lump them together is because I have found them to connect. It’s like a progression in what they believe and some will end up something like universalism – every one goes to heaven. (We have seen this in Rob Bell.) There is much wof teaching in charismania, and I word it that way because it is extreme of what it should be, and yes, mania-manic, and I have found those involved in charismania going emergent/contemplative, taking on the practice of other religions as a way to connect to God. These groups seem to be different in their teaching and there are basic doctrines that differentiate one from the other, however they do connect together. It took me some time to see it that way.

                    quoted, referred…I was tired – – – Acts 20:29-30

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  5. Mkayla,

    The Lord be praised, thank you for the kind words in the Lord and for sharing this with your readers.

    Potts is growing in stature slowly and even the Emerging Church guys are beginning to notice him.

    What’s happening is the EC tests the evangelical waters with books like the Love Wins mythology of Rob Bell.

    As they see evangelicals moving further away from sola Scriptura they become emboldened e.g. by how Bell argued for Christian universalism and maintains evangelical status.

    These postmodern neo-liberal guys is the EC are bent on taking over the mainstream just as their forebears did the mainline.

    The next big push will be the homosexual agenda. You watch, “soon” a well known figure will come out gay and detonate the issue in the mainstream.

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    • I share your concern about the EC in general. I had an ongoing discussion with a guy who identified himself as an EC believer at Amazon, and his posts were very vague, hard to define. The one constant was that he didn’t like me referring to the Bible as the Word of God (he particularly didn’t like the capitalized emphases), and he kept stressing “being salt and light” as “opposed” to sharing the Gospel with unbelievers — “building relationships” with unbelievers as opposed to simply being a witness as the early believers were. Once when I asked him how we could go about “building a relationship” with an unbeliever we sat next to, one time, on an airplane trip (for example), and the fact that we might never again have an opportunity to plant a seed of God’s Word in that unbeliever’s life, he was sort of stymied and couldn’t give a clear answer. I felt then that the crux of the EC issue is what people believe about the veracity of the Bible, and Rob Bell’s book has definitely proven that to me.

      Your last paragraph caused me to think, ‘Hasn’t that already happened’? I can only think of one name — Jay Bakker — who, as I understand it, is actively preaching acceptance of same-gender sexuality, but I know there are others. Jay Bakker is not particularly well-known to the nation at large, not nearly as well-known as his dad (who, AFAIK, has not embraced that flawed theology).

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      • And now that I am thinking of the Bakers, the mom – Tammi Faye – had some sort of “ministry” to the gays. Whether it was to warn them or encourage them, I don’t know. But there again, false teaching of the father, and the son “comes out of the closet”. You have to wonder what he witnessed as a child, the lies he had been taught as truth. Just the same scenario as OR grandson in the subject article/video.

        Ted Haggard is another who not that long ago was found to have had a same sex encounter and he was part of the earlier NAR. Interestingly, if you are familiar with the actress Anne Heche, her mother was on a talk show just after the fall of Haggard, who claimed the same things happened in their family. Her husband had been a preacher and was found out homosexual on the side. Later, their daughter Anne came out as gay or bi. (Can’t say one way or the other if there was false teaching.) She was completely sympathetic towards Mrs. Haggard in her situation and even wrote a book about her experiences. Hmm. there is another well known guy about the time of the Kansas City Prophets who was also found out and I can’t think of his name right now.

        It is one thing to be wrong about scripture but with out that teachable spirit we will continue the slide into apostasy. This is the reason why I chose the lead scripture and the title of the article because sin and false teaching do indeed seem right to our fleshy mindsets.

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        • M’kayla,
          The Kansas City Prophet who was found out was a man named Augustine Alcolla. He was dismissed from prophesying anymore based on a prophecy not coming to pass (that was an issue back in the ’80’s, looks like they waived that issue!), not his homosexual behavior. I believed he passed away of AIDS.

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        • “You have to wonder what he [Jay Bakker] witnessed as a child, the lies he had been taught as truth.”

          Jay Bakker wrote an autobiography about his experiences growing up, called Son of a Preacher Man. I haven’t had an opportunity to read it. AFAIK, Tammy Faye’s “ministry” to homosexuals (sorry, “gay” means happy and cheerful to me, and I put quotes around “ministry” because I don’t know what was involved) began after she had divorced Jim while he was in prison. I haven’t ever heard of Jim Bakker doing anything like that.

          Jim Bakker wrote a book called I Was Wrong (either while or after he was in prison) in which he repudiated prosperity teaching. I haven’t read the book myself, but several friends have, and they’ve told me about it. I do think it’s important that we not paint everybody with a broad brush, but report things as accurately as we can. God bless.

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            • My comment:

              “I do think itโ€™s important that we not paint everybody with a broad brush, but report things as accurately as we can”

              was not directed at you specifically, but at many posts I’ve read here and elsewhere. Not all preachers and teachers are the same and preach/teach the same things, even if they are friends or preach at the same meetings, etc. Some might preach one or two things similarly, but not other things. That was my meaning, and I apologize that it wasn’t clear.

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              • Audrey, It’s the way this system works – who is replying to whose message. In this case it was you replying to mine and is why I took it as tho you were speaking on a personal level. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    • P.S. About your closing paragraph:

      I have relatives in the Atlanta, GA, area who have told me that Jim Earl Swilley has done this very thing (IIRC, he is on record on video, as I’m sure that can be accessed online). I realize you may not be familiar with him, but his uncle (Earl Paulk, who “anointed” him as a “Bishop”) and other relatives in that area have caused major havoc for years in the Body of Christ, and I don’t think that havoc has been totally limited to that geographic area. I realize this abominable spirit is an evil spirit sent to cause confusion and deception in the Body (“We wrestle not with flesh and blood…” Ephesians 6), and, sadly, I don’t doubt the truth of your paragraph. True intercession as shown in Eph. 6 (after the armor of God is listed) is vitally needed.

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  6. Further to my post above, if anyone doubts whether anyone can be saved within the RC church, I know a guy came to faith in the Mormon church, got out quick by the Holy Spirit’s leading and is very good at spotting deception. Richard Bennett is an ex RC priest who got saved and left. He has a website, you can look him up. Both he and my friend read the Bible for themselves and ‘heard’ the gospel. Sorry, i’ve gone ‘Off topic’ again, haven’t I? I’ll be quiet now. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  7. Great read M’kayla! I became of member of wordpress a few days ago. The first blog I read, tagged under religion, was written by an Atheist. It was a well-written piece. It’s disappointing that many who profess Christianity are unaffected by the message of Christ. Your quote “as in the days of Noah” explains it all, but true Christians should be more compelled to keep building the boat based upon biblical truths, the message that won’t sink under the flood of Universalism. The message of the deciever is being spread in every way imagined, inside and outside of the church. May the Lord be glorified through
    your efforts! Danny Ray ๐Ÿ™‚

    http://www.reverbnation.com/dannyray

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  8. “Ted Haggard is another who not that long ago was found to have had a same sex encounter and he was part of the earlier NAR.”

    Please remind me what NAR stands for? Also, please don’t take this as support for perversion of any kind (I believe it’s all immorality in God’s sight), but do you believe Haggard can be forgiven, delivered, and restored? (I’m thinking of the apostle Peter, who denied Jesus in a shocking manner, but was forgiven and restored by Jesus Himself, then mightily used in ministry the rest of his life.) I haven’t heard Haggard speak about his situation, and I don’t know whether it was an ongoing thing for years and years (like Jim Swilley, whom I mentioned here recently) or a brief interlude in his life of which he has completely repented. AFAIK, he has called it sin instead of excusing it.

    “Interestingly, if you are familiar with the actress Anne Heche, her mother was on a talk show just after the fall of Haggard, who claimed the same things happened in their family.”

    I didn’t know about the talk show, but I have heard this about Anne Heche. I believe she has written a book about her childhood family.

    “It is one thing to be wrong about scripture but with out that teachable spirit we will continue the slide into apostasy.”

    I agree with this 100%!

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    • NAR – New Apostolic Reformation, headed by C Peter Wagner, started small and growing like wildfire all over the world. His main prophet is Chuck Pierce and the woman who claims to be a prophet to the nations, Cindy Jacobs. Most of the error in charismania is attributed to these three and those who follow. You will also find the seven mountains teachings – a great number of odd, unbiblical, often pagan or witchcraft practices taught, supported and sold as resources under their organizations. Dutch Sheets is another big name and was supposed to take over the position of Pierce, but may have decided differently. I just recently read that Haggard was a part of them and didn’t know that beforehand.

      Yes, of course he can be forgiven and I would hope one day he would be. Not the point here, tho.

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      • “NAR โ€“ New Apostolic Reformation”

        Thank you!

        “Yes, of course he (Haggard) can be forgiven and I would hope one day he would be.”

        I agree. Is there a reason for us to suppose he hasn’t already been forgiven? As I understand it, he has been repentant.

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  9. It seems like many have deified Oral Roberts–and here we are pointing fingers… could the sin be ours?
    May his son know that NOTHING can separate him from the love of God- and may that knowledge free him to love Christ in return.

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  11. I’m not seeing a “Reply” button on each post — haven’t they been there before, or am I getting this blog mixed up with another one? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    M’Kayla, I’m still a bit confused by the terminology you use. For example, do you believe all who believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, as written in the NT, are “Charismanics”? If not, what IS your definition of “Charismanics”? This would help me understand your perspective.

    To be clear on my end, I know a LOT of people who could perhaps be termed “Charismatics”, a term coined, AFAIK, in the 1970s to refer to people who simply believe all that is said about the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit in the Bible. At the same time, MANY (actually, all of the ones I know) are NOT sympathetic to any of the unBiblical teachings and practices which have been delineated here. Do you know any Charismatics (note, I didn’t say “Charismanics”) like that?

    Thank you for giving the Scripture reference. Off to look it up… ๐Ÿ™‚

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  12. darcydowning, there may be people who deified Oral Roberts. I do know some people who have deified a local pastor in my area (and a couple of preachers/evangelists, neither of whom have ever reached the public awareness of OR). But I can honestly say that I have never known anyone who has deified OR. I do find his life very interesting, particularly his early life, as that seems to be what laid the course for his adult life. I also found it interesting when I read recently that his mother (now deceased, I’m sure) believed he had left his true calling when he established ORU and did not continue (at least as much) in the healing ministry.

    You said, “May his son know that NOTHING can separate him from the love of God- and may that knowledge free him to love Christ in return.”

    AMEN! ๐Ÿ™‚

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  13. M’Kayla, do you know why my name is now coming up as “Claire” again? This is so strange. I hardly know what to think. ???

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  14. I guess I’m Claire again! ๐Ÿ™‚

    M’Kayla, did you see my questions above, about ‘charismanics’? I would really like to see your answer, as I think that will help me understand where you are coming from.

    I looked up the Scripture. It’s a good one (as are all of them). ๐Ÿ™‚

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    • I believe in the gifts of the Spirit. I don’t believe they have ended but I do believe in order and that they are generated by the Lord as He wills, as needed.

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  15. “I believe in the gifts of the Spirit. I donโ€™t believe they have ended but I do believe in order and that they are generated by the Lord as He wills, as needed.”

    I love this answer, M’Kayla, and totally agree with it.

    Do you distinguish between charismatics (people who believe as you and I do) and ‘charismanics’? Or do you disagree with the label ‘charismatics’? I’m not exactly sure what distinguishes them from Pentecostals; seems to me they all believe the same. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  16. M’Kayla, since the word “charismatic” reflects on the Greek word “charis” (which refers to the gifts of the Holy Spirit), I don’t have a problem with it. I remember well when it came into common usage (in the early ’70s, maybe the late ’60s) simply to denote those who did believe those gifts were still for the Body of Christ today, which was a revolutionary idea at the time!

    I have not heard or seen the word “Pentecostal” used to denote a particular denomination. In my experience, it has been used simply to denote those who believe that what happened on the Day of Pentecost is still relevant and available to believers today. My maternal grandfather and grandmother started a Pentecostal church (he was the pastor), but it was not part of a denomination with “Pentecostal” in its name. (I don’t know if it was part of any denomination at all.) When they started the church, which met their home for a time, in the early- to mid-1900s, the word “Pentecostal” was derided and scorned because so many people believed that experience was only history and was not applicable to believers of their time.

    I agree with you 100% that it is the Scriptures that matter! ๐Ÿ™‚ It is my understanding that the terms I’ve mentioned here came into common usage only because so many people did not believe those Scriptures applied to modern believers or the Body of Christ.

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  17. Hi everyone, I just want to say thank you for your prayers; while we disagree on homosexuality, we can all agree that prayers are always needed for all of God’s children. I want to point out that I am still a father to my children and as active a part in raising them as my ex-wife — we share 50/50 custody and I did not leave them behind for any sort of “lifestyle.” Here is the direct link for my sermon at All Souls — I’d be honored if you would listen to my words before you judge me as a father or as a child of God. Thank you and God Bless. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    • Randy, I did listen to your talk, prior to the post and is the reason for my reaction and my words which I shared, truly, my heart goes out to you. In a sense, I can see where you are coming from, to have walked away from the truth, having been raised around false doctrine, because so was I. But, the truth still remains – that Christ died for all sinners and those who choose to live outside His teachings, those found in the word, will not inherit the Kingdom of God. God does love everyone, but does not look upon sin/the sinner without the blood of Christ over the person. We need repentance – all of us – we need to recognize our need for Christ. Without Him we will not see God. Our love does not matter, how we raise our children or even that we think we are “good” . This is proved as we have seen we cannot live without breaking one of the 10 commandments, we cannot keep the law and the law will not save us. Only Christ saves. So, I ask you to strongly and prayerfully reconsider the choices you have made and the reasons why you have made them and why you continue to believe the way you do, in rebellion to God. Randy, we are all in rebellion and find ourselves with the same need everyday.

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  18. Dear Randy,

    Thank you for posting the link to your talk. I listened to every word of it. Several times I rewound it to be sure I hadn’t missed anything. I wept and prayed as you spoke. Here are the main thoughts which went through my mind as I listened:

    1) The very word “re-imagining” is of concern to me. I don’t know if you are familiar with the 1993 Re-Imagining Conference which was sponsored by three major ‘mainline’ denominations, but the teaching was blasphemous. Basically it was a mockery of God’s Word and His plan for the people He created.

    2) Beyond that — to what you actually said in your talk — this is my response:

    ~ You used the word “mendacity” several times. As you initially pointed out, the word actually means “deception”, “falsehood”, “divergence from truth”. However, you went on to give the word a positive meaning:

    You said, “In every lie there is a yearning for the truth” and “In every lie there is a yearning for a world in which things get better”.

    This causes me to fear for your soul — because Christ Jesus said the devil is the “father of lies” and that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and leads His people into all truth.

    I believe the Word of God is clear that Satan is not “yearning for the truth” — Jesus said he is the “father of lies”. Jesus also said that Satan comes only to “steal, kill and destroy” (but that He came that we might have life, and that more abundantly). Satan does not yearn for a world in which things get better; he yearns to destroy the people God has created. He yearns to destroy you, Randy. God loves you and is not willing that you should perish, but that you should come to repentance. Satan has deceived you into believing that the spirit which controls your life is not from him, was not sent to destroy you as he succeeded in destroying your uncle. I truly pray you will see the truth and turn to God. Christ Jesus said, “If you continue in My Word, you shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

    ~ I heard what you said about your grandfather (after this, referred to as OR, his initials). I also recently read Patti Roberts Thompson’s book Ashes to Gold, which corroborated what you related about the family “compound”, and more. I found it interesting that she said that OR’s mother believed he departed from God’s will for his life when he built ORU. I can see how OR’s “publicity stunt” in January 1987 was a problem for you — it was for people whom I personally know.

    My appeal to you is, please do not allow what OR did to distract your heart and mind from the Lord Himself, from Christ Jesus who willingly laid aside His kingship in Heaven to come to earth as a common man and suffer and die for you and me — who was made to be sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. I beg of you not to allow the failings of any man who professes faith in God to turn you away from the purity of the Gospel which Jesus preached.

    And please remember what and whom Jesus claimed to be: He said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” This did not go over the Pharisees’ head; this claim (and others like it) is why they gnashed their teeth at His Word and sought to destroy Him the very first time He ever stood up and preached in a synagogue (attributing Isaiah 61 to Himself). What this means for us today is that the entire Bible was given to man by Jesus. Both OT and NT Scriptures tell us of God’s moral law, which remains unchanged from Genesis to Revelation. I plead with you not to allow the enemy to continue deceiving you about that.

    God is able to do exceeding, abundantly above all we can ask or think! HE IS ABLE to deliver you from that spirit which controls your life, which defines you differently from the way God has defined you from your mother’s womb. Nothing is too hard for God. With Him, all things are possible!

    In Him,
    Claire

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  19. P.S. Randy, you said this in your talk: “Mendacity is an attempt to make things right.”

    These Scriptures came to mind throughout your message:

    For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but are mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds, casting down imaginations and every high thing which exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Jesus Christ.”
    2 Corinthians 10:3-5

    He [God] sent His Word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.
    Psalm 107 (verse 20, IIRC)

    If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: behold, old things are passed away, and all things are become new.
    I Corinthians 5:17

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