Romans 16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.
18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech decieve the hearts of the simple.
Thanks again to Bud Press! 🙂
An Unhealthy Update on Peter and Doris Wagner
The nefarious NARians
by Bud Press
October 26, 2011
For decades, C. Peter Wagner and his wife Doris have led the New Apostolic Reformation in a worldwide campaign against the forces of darkness. At the same time, they have convinced untold thousands that performing spiritual warfare on demonic strongholds is a sure-fire remedy to rid cities, states, and global territories of those pesky critters.
The key, according to the nefarious NARians, is to identify the demonic big cheeses, map-out the strongholds where they do business, and raid their camps with NAR flags o’ victory waving in the breeze.
But the battle won’t be won until the New Apostolic Reformation reforms the minds of the innocent and gullible, and establishes complete “dominion” and “control” over the Christian church. Once this is done, NARians will elect their self-appointed apostolic government, and place their self-elected prophetic politicians in power to dominate and dictate. Then, when the planets are in perfect alignment, and all the heretic hunters have been silenced, the NAR will give its “Jesus” the green light to return, where it will teach good NARians to walk as robots through a field of tulips and sing Kum Bah Yah.
As the battle rages, what the Wagners and their fellow NARians fail to see is their focus is on demonic activity–instead of the real Jesus Christ and the truth of His written word. Concentrating on demons and their destruction gains more oppression from the one whose attempt to overthrow God got him and one third of his demonic angels bounced out of heaven on their forked tails.
Needless to say, sharing Jesus Christ and the gospel will, of course, lead more people to Christ than worrying about demons behind every tree in every city, state, and territory throughout the world.
Consequently, those who refuse to cooperate with the NARian agenda will, no doubt, suffer the consequences, and may be sentenced to eating stale popcorn while suffering through endless re-runs of Todd Bentley shaking, rattling, rolling, and kicking his way through the 2008 Lakeland revival. To add insult to injury, commercial breaks will feature a video of Jessa Bentley shaking her head fast enough to sling her eyeballs into the audience during a New Age mini-revival at Rick Joyner’s MorningStar church.
While the Wagners and the NARians toot their spiritual warfare trumpets and blow shouts of victory over their desensitized followers, their efforts to rid the world of demonic activity was, in reality, doomed before it began. G. Richard Fisher explains:
In 1990, the Spiritual Warfare Network (SWN) was formed by these new apostles and prophets. It is important to remember that they have had 20 years to reclaim ethnic groups, nations, and parcels of geography. So far, after two decades, they have made no progress at all. [“Mountains and Other Tall Tales: Examining the Fantasy World of Modern-day ‘Apostle and Prophet’ C. Peter Wagner,” The Quarterly Journal of Personal Freedom Outreach, October-December 2011, p. 8]
Continuing, Fisher states that, “After 20 years of selling their ideas, there is no proof of being able to take or reclaim territory from demons.” [Ibid., italics theirs]
Fisher is right on target. NARians travel the globe claiming to take “authority” over demonic activity. However, local, state, and world news report a much different story: Those pesky demons are still active and wreaking havoc.
Could it be that the NAR’s claims are without merit? Could it be that the New Apostolic Reformation–which is plagued with heretics, false prophets, and blasphemers–is overshadowed by demons, and is paving its dirt road for the antichrist?
Final answers? Yes, and Yes.
Simply put, crime is on the rise, and crime will continue to rise and become more sadistic until Jesus returns (study Matthew chapter 24 for details). Jesus didn’t mince words. He gave an outline of things to come. Later, the Holy Spirit inspired the apostles to issue warnings about things to come (study the Apostle Paul’s letters to Timothy).
Indeed, C. Peter Wagner needs to be asked, “Specifically, which city or state or territory has been cleaned and fumigated of all demonic activity?” If his answer is, “Gee, I don’t know,” then NARians everywhere should mentally delete Wagner’s “revelation knowledge,” gain knowledge from what God has already said in His written revelation, and consult Ephesians 6:13-18; Acts 19:13-16; Jude 1:9 and, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, which specifically teaches:
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.
The Apostle Paul wrote it, and the Holy Spirit inspired it. Welcome to the New Apostolic Reformation.
Therefore, as the kingdom of NARia continues its ill-fated battle against demonic activity, and as the NAR continues to gain converts, one battle the Wagners are facing is their declining health, which reads like a Who’s Who within the medical kingdom.
Signs, but no wonders
According to NARian-produced newsletters, updates, and prayer requests over this year, the Wagners have been under extensive medical care for a long period of time. Doris Wagner suffered from infectious diseases, placed on hyper-antibiotics, diagnosed with a heart tumor, and underwent operations on her knee. Currently, she is scheduled to undergo major knee surgery. C. Peter Wagner has a lingering cough, swelling in both legs and abdomen, problems with his heart, and has been placed on blood thinners. He is scheduled for cataract surgery in both eyes.
Like the average human being who reaches the elderly stage of life, Peter and Doris Wagner suffer from illnesses, diseases, and sicknesses. It’s a given. But, unlike the average human being, NARians think they are special, an attitude which is demonstrated by their exclusive, elitist mentality. After all, they are what makes up the “signs and wonders” movement, where almost everyone is said to operate in all of the spiritual gifts, including the gift of healing.
While there is no humor in human suffering, when the chips are down, where are all the NARian faith healers? Why haven’t they flocked to Peter and Doris’ side and demonstrated their gift of healing for the world to see?
Could it be that the “signs and wonders” movement is all signs and no wonders? Perish the thought. How dare anyone even suggest such a thing! Those who do could be accused of “attacking the anointed” and “judging falsely” and acting like a “Pharisee”.
Trail of lies
Common sense dictates that if just one NARian had the Biblical gift of healing, he or she would jump at the chance to lay hands on Doris and Peter, and heal them from head-to-toe through the power of God. Since “teleporting” here and there is part of the signs and wonders movement, travel expenses would be kept to a bare minimum.
But it ain’t gonna happen! Hyper-Charismatics who are caught up in the “signs and wonders” movement demonstrate plenty of signs, but they leave people wondering what the heck is going on. Simply put, they do not have the Biblical gift of healing. Again, they do not have the Biblical gift of healing. The sick and dying show up to be healed, and they leave unhealed.
Faith healers can’t heal Peter and Doris, and Peter and Doris can’t heal each other. Therefore, Peter and Doris are forced to turn to the field of medicine for their healing.
All liars know that a lie must be backed-up with another lie to cover the first lie. This is one reason why heretics and false healers spew excuses, play spin-doctor, intimidate their followers, issue threats, and exercise damage control over their own words–and their followers eat it up! One lie leads to another lie, until the liar gets so confused that he or she can’t recall the lies. It is then when the liar becomes a pathological liar.
Liars work hard to cover their lying tracks, but they always leave their getaway cars in the front yard.
Finally, this update on the unhealthy state of Peter and Doris Wagner would not be complete without leaving the reader an important, but ironic, point to ponder: during C. Peter Wagner’s tenure at the Wagner Leadership Institute, he taught a course on “Divine Healing”. The “Course Description” states,
This is a classic foundational class on divine healing. Topics include performing the works of Jesus, the role of faith in healing, ways in which one can verify miracles, healing as it relates to God’s kingdom, healing as part of the atonement, and the substance of the anointing. ( http://tinyurl.com/6838nat )
Is there something wrong with this picture? C. Peter Wagner taught courses on divine healing, but he doesn’t have the gift of healing. Hmmm, perhaps he should enroll in his own course.
Shout out to C. Peter Wagner: Instructor, instruct thyself. Stop leading the sick and dying astray, and stop instructing a course on a gift you never had in the first place. Better yet, repent, be born again, publicly renounce the NAR and its false “Jesus,” and warn your fellow NARians to do the same.
Indeed, precious souls for who Jesus Christ died for hang in the balance.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness'” (Matthew 7:21-23).
OUCH!!! A healthy dose of irony, iced with sarcasm!
I LOVE IT!!!!
It reminds me somewhat of the web publication; The Sacred Sandwich, which is well worth looking up if you haven’t already heard of it.. Very well done.
I freely admit a liking for writing such as this, one of my favourite passages of scripture being the one where Elijah mocks the priests of Baal.
While reclining yet!
We must remember though, that this is anything but funny in one sense. God is NOT amused by these charlatans or their deceptive teachings.
I find it hard to strike a balance between the various responses that well up in me when this subject is broached. On the one hand, there is righteous anger at what these ‘ministries’ are up to, but then there is also compassion even for the wolves, as I think of their ultimate end if they don’t repent.
There is also an insidious pride that creeps in and it’s this that I constantly guard against in myself.
All of this is to say that while I don’t think articles such as the above inappropriate, in fact I think they can be a good way of getting some points across, I believe we need to carefully balance our attitude with verses such as Jude 22-23;
“And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”
Here the Holy Spirit tells us through Jude, what our attitude should be. We are told to have compassion on some (not all?). The words ‘making a difference’, seem to be more about drawing a distinction between people caught up in this apostasy and those who are sold out to it, and being careful about who to try and save out of it, than about literally ‘making a difference’, as in doing something ‘positive’, rather than ‘negative’.
Then we’re told to save those we can, but with caution, even fear, because of the danger of contamination (from their deceptive doctrines). Jude’s use of the term; “garment spotted by the flesh”, is one worth looking up. Once you understand exactly what is being referred to here, you get a very graphic (not to mention disgusting) picture of how dangerous these doctrines are and how very careful we need to be when trying to rescue people.
So to any who may be tempted to somewhat self-righteously frown on the tone of this piece and say that we should be trying to rescue these folks, be aware that there is a Biblical precedent for such sarcasm, AND, that rescuing people such as the Wagners is probably not a viable option, while with their followers it may be possible, although still fraught with peril.
Bless you M’Kayla for sharing this, it made me laugh, then think, so it has achieved it’s aim!
Alan, I may just use your comments for its own article. I can see a connection between Jude 22 – 23 and the one from Romans I prefaced with. I think making the distinction is a much needed area of study and writing because so many just do not get it, often to their own peril.
Astounding comments that won’t be forgotten!
I’m well aware that the issues raised in this are serious ones, but this line from the article had me laughing out loud.
. To add insult to injury, commercial breaks will feature a video of Jessa Bentley shaking her head fast enough to sling her eyeballs into the audience during a New Age mini-revival at Rick Joyner’s MorningStar church.
I can still picture her from a video way back with her head all over the place, pretty sad , but then again , Todds been messin with a lot of heads.
Back in the day when I was coming out of all of this madness, I remember a time when many people with serious illness were being prayed for. They were not recovering from their cancers, etc. Instead they all died. At that point someone made the comment along the lines of, “We know Jesus wants to heal everyone, we just have to learn how to tap into that.”
Ha, they still haven’t learned how to “tap into it” have they? Funny thing is, I always thought the Bible told us what we needed to know on the subject! No more of this having to learn “just one more step” and then another and another and another…….
You are so right on that cherylu and who knows what is to come of this supposed power. We know there will be a time of false signs and wonders, just like their was in Egypt, but God took care of and made a place for His own. He will do it again. So nice to see you here. I’ve missed you.
M’Kayla, ABSOLUTELY there’s a connection! And feel free to use whatever you feel may be edifying. It may interest you to hear that the guy who pastors our little fellowship spoke on ‘Pentecostal Popery’ last Sunday, saying that these ‘apostles’ have turned the church the wrongway up, seeking adulation & obedience from the people, rather than being servants. He said he preached on the subject at a meeting of church leaders & half of them walked out, but he says he doesn’t care, ‘cos he has to preach the truth! That is an answer to prayer for sure! Pray for him, because he’s going very much against the trend & is also still learning which things he himself has to let go of, but the Lord is workimg there, praise His Name!
Alan, what an encouragement! I will pray! 🙂