A New Pope and a Pop For Ecumenism

I guess news reporting is not what it used to be. We get only a glimpse of the happening, hardly a mention of serious matters, with lots of time spent on things that do not matter, and lots of opinions. The fact that everyone has got one has gone a bit too real. But oh, well, it brings in ratings, pays the bills and someone up there gets rich. So, who cares if its the truth, right? Opinions also build blogs, don’t they?

If I wouldn’t have watched it with my own eyes I probably wouldn’t have believed it. You may not believe it either because I am not going to put up a bunch of links to prove what I am saying is true. I’m not going to go into long explanations of why this is all so strange, scary and wonderful at the same time. I am going to simply say what I witnessed along with much of the world via tv land, assuming anyone else out there was paying attention. I am saying it because it needs to be said and so far, no one else has.

It seems the world has gone and got itself a new pope, a new Holy Father, a pontiff, a vicar, one they can follow, or who can lead them into the next phase of their religion, whatever that may be. A man who has chosen the name of another who lived long ago, famed for his strange supernatural experiences, one who heard the voice of God thru a cross. One whose long ago pilgrimage is very popular among not only the Catholics, but also the well-evolved Christians who have sought after another way.

Did you ever think you would hear a call for ecumenism during a prime time news broadcast? I didn’t. But on such a stellar occasion, amidst the joy and excitement, the sign of hope through white smoke, the new pope, and  – pop – there it was on CNN. The crier, Erin Burnett.

I think Erin does a good job most of the time, but I don’t watch her all that often. So, it is nothing personal against her ability to do her job. It is however, largely personal that she publicly denied Christ and urged others to follow along with her. But somehow I doubt she understands the gravity of her words. And that is most unfortunate.

So on the evening of March 13, 2013, the filming of Out Front, Erin, standing in front of St. Peters’ had a short conversation with Roma Downey. They discuss the new pope and are both very excited and pleased that a decision has been made. Roma is a practicing Catholic, and Executive Producer of the doctrinally failed, yet very popular mini-series, The Bible. Roma who later referred to herself as Christian stated she was very excited that her series, bible stories as she related to it, had brought in more ratings than “the zombies“. I’m not so sure that is an accomplishment to brag about. There is more truth to be had from AMC’s The Walking Dead than there is her version of the bible. And I can have an opinion here, I’ve watched both.

Suddenly, Erin commented that she wished she had read the Qur’an. It was a disjointed comment, and it took me back, because it was so out of place. But for Erin, her personal beliefs and religious needs, her comment had a place, and you will see that. She then asked Roma how she felt about the Qur’an. Roma stated it was ok that others read the Qur’an, that “as Christians, we are called to love and to be tolerant”. Roma, like the faith she follows is only partly right. To love is something we can all agree on, even superficially.

Going forward, Erin brings on via satellite an ex-Catholic turned atheist, lesbian woman. How fitting considering the sexual sin by the Catholic church and the current battle over same sex marriage, huh? But remember, everyone has an opinion. This woman, whose name I do not know feels that if the Catholic church would just change it’s beliefs to accommodate what the people want, what is relevant for today, then more people would probably return to the church. So, a woman who claims she no longer believes in God is going to give spiritual and doctrinal advice? And this woman’s presence on camera is not political? And let me say, with all the horrendous things done in the name of God, I can see why this woman made the choices she did. I don’t say they are right, but I do understand the reasoning behind them.

After the final commercial break, Erin, standing alone, facing the camera ends her show with a personal call for ecumenism. By her own words that is what she believes in. She too is an ex-Catholic, and although she doesn’t practice any more, she is excited that the church has a new pope. She states that the church does a lot of good for a lot of people.  But for her, all we need is ecumenism. She’s beautiful. She’s smiling. She is convincing. In the excitement and emotion of such a momentous occasion, in a place where so many have gathered together, who wouldn’t want to be included in the next great thing?

Ecumenism. A fancy word that basically means unity. Ahh-ha. Now the seemingly odd and out of place Qur’an question from earlier makes a bit more sense. As do the ideas and suggestions of the displaced atheist. Unity in what, Erin?  A god who condones homosexuality? Or reading of the Qur’an alongside the Bible, or reading any book for that matter, or maybe no book at all? Or maybe we will just chuck the bible and watch Roma’s newly produced bible stories, entertaining as they are. Unity, meaning we all believe in something, some god with whatever name we are to give him, or give her for that matter,  a higher power, a force, with doctrine based on whatever whim feels right at the moment, one that we can change when we become too bored?  Isn’t that what we call agnostic? Universalism? Don’t we call that emergent?

We do not by orthodoxy call that “Christian”. And Erin, you have not been the first to think of it.

This, my friends is the beginning of a one world religious system. This is wonderful bible prophecy unfolding before our very eyes. And it all happened right there, after the election of the new pope, on CNN.

I am still shaking my head.

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57 thoughts on “A New Pope and a Pop For Ecumenism

  1. I am daily surprised at what is considered national news. Why are Hollywood celebs’ divorces and weddings on the national news?

    One thing that did catch my attention in all the Rome coverage was the tidbit that IF the cardinal from Boston did indeed become pope, his closest advisor would be the brother of Obama’s Nat’l Security advisor. That would have been an antennae raising connection between Rome and Washington DC.

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  2. We knew it was coming, besides Jesus told us how things would be. His words are so true and being fulfilled before our very eyes and yes that’s beautiful, for it just goes to prove even more that God is all-knowing, all powerful and completely sovereign.

    He sits in the heavens and laughs for He will have them in derision (Psalms 2:4).

    That means we can laugh too!!

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  3. Wow! I did not see the interview, but I have seen all the fb groups loving that he “washed the feet of single mothers” and how great it is that he is pro life and from Latin America. And look how humble he is, not wearing all the traditional pope garb!! How wonderful!! Lol. Okie dokie. When I see the masses outside St Peters Square, it makes me sick and sad that these people follow a man, then Mary, then probably the saints and angels, then Jesus….crazy religion

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  5. I came out of Roman Catholicism in the early seventies when I received
    Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, though it took me several years to
    feel fully free to leave all of the RC trappings behind. I went to
    Catholic schools through the twelfth grade, and I had intensive
    schooling in the “Ecumenical Movement” in high school religion classes,
    the Movement, a product of Vatican II (which occurred when I was 10).

    The RC church has had many years to perfect its marketing of the
    concept of ecumenism although, as you noted, there is nothing new
    at all about a “one world” anything, let alone a one world religion. I
    believe St. John was the first to write specifically of it ;).

    Beneath all the “unity” hype, the Roman Catholic Church continues its
    extra-biblical teachings, doctrines, and practices, the most recent,
    perhaps, dating from the 1850s pertaining to the sinlessness of Mary,
    so they decided, and the implication of Mary as Co-Mediatrix.

    Many non-Catholics wonder: but how can Catholics believe such obviously
    non-Biblical teaching? Well, train up a child to believe that when the
    pope speaks “ex-cathedra” on matters of “faith and morals” he is
    speaking AS GOD, and in that, you have a very, very powerful
    mind-control mechanism at work. And that is the tip of the iceberg.
    There are many other controlling techniques practiced in the church.
    But there is one reality they cannot withstand: Truth.

    Yes, we have every reason to be very suspect of the new pope’s
    worldview. Based on the history, particularly the recent history, of
    the RC church, he will only be taking it to its next level of prophetic
    significance and, I fear, not in a good way.

    Should any Catholics be reading this, I urge you to come out of Catholicism. The Roman Catholic religion is not what you have been led to believe
    although there is a smattering of truth here and there. And coming
    from a born-into, spoon-fed, 12-years-of-Catholic-school-education
    former Roman Catholic, I can assure you with full confidence that all
    things are possible! It’s been nearly 40 years since my conversion to
    Christianity and, long since, the guilt and fear generated by Roman
    Catholicism–and the mind control–has dissipated via the truth of
    God’s Word and the love of Jesus Christ.

    If I may, I have written several blog posts re: my experiences in Roman
    Catholicism, and why and how I left. They are here:
    http://pnissila.wordpress.com/category/ex-roman-catholiccatholicism/
    Blessings,
    Phyllis

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  6. Let me share my two cents:
    I’m from Buenos Aires, Argentina, so this new pope’s election really hits home. You can imagine the excitement in Argentinian media about this new pope. Honestly, all the bru ha ha has made me want to become an exile in Uruguay, Brazil or Chile!
    Suddenly Argentina has ceased to be a Banana Republic. We have a queen in Holland, a would-be queen as a president (best friends with late Chávez) who has managed to include us in the G20, several successful sportsguys in the US and Europe (including a famous footballer being called Messi-As, that is, Messiah). And now a pope… That’s a bit too much!
    And I have witnessed the same blind enthusiasm for Bergoglio as the Argentine reaction to Messi’s goals, Ginobili’s feats at the NBA, and Máxima’s coronation. The almost universal reaction has been great admiration to Francis I’s, humility, meekness, honesty, nearness to people, concern for the poor… And it reminds me of what God said to prophet Samuel, Man looks at appearances, but God sees the heart. Now, I’m not stating that Bergoglio is false, hypocritical, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, because for all I know, it’s possible that he sincerely believes in the God of the Catholic church, sincerely loves him and wants to serve people to the best of his human ability. He may have been put by God in that position as Daniel was placed in Babylon… Perhaps the veils that cover his eyes will be removed and he may be able to preach the real Gospel before he gets killed by John Paul I.
    I was a Catholic for 25 years and was soundly born again in that church. The real Jesus of the Gospels revealed Himself to me in my Catholic Bible on many occasions and in many ways. In spite of all the confusion caused by wrong doctrines, I knew and loved Christ personally and in spite of many ups and downs in my walk with Him, I always knew that my life (not just my spiritual life, but my emotional and physical life too) depended on walking closely with Him. That spiritual search of a deeper relationship with God, of a consuming passion that would give sense to my life, ultimately led to me being misunderstood and rejected by my Catholic peers and the priest of the parish I was serving. My ties to Catholicism, which survived the study of history in college, including the origin of popery and the reformation, and the providential meeting of Christians from other denominations, one Anglican female, another Lutheran female, and a Pentecostal female, had to be painfully and suddenly cut by God through a psychiatric crisis which left me in a kind of spiritual limbo for five years. I was still nominally a Catholic, but I went to Mass very infrequently because I was afraid if I returned to God the devil would literally drive me crazy again.
    Five years later, I understood that there were certain things about Catholic doctrine that had led me to that crisis. Not just the errors and blatant heresies. It was the legalism that caused the crisis. Because in the Catholic church, I was told about sin, but there was no helpful explanation of how grace could help me, not just to get forgiveness, but progressive (or even sudden!) deliverance from sin.
    I have a long testimony of deliverance from doctrines of demons (I believe the Catholic church’s idea that we need intermediaries to get us grace from God is clearly a doctrine of demons which has crept in Evangelical churches in many ways, that idea of having an elite group, the rest having to blindly accept what is shared from “above”) both in the Catholic church and in the Evangelical church. I can share it with anyone who wants to hear it.
    I just wanted to say that I have mixed emotions about this event and about the Catholic church. I have Catholic friends who are of course confused about many things, but believe me, in some respects I find their faith simpler and more honest that what I find in the Evangelical church. After almost 10 years of being an Evangelical, I can sadly say that, among “Evangelicals” there are many different PER-versions of the Gospel, and there is just as much idolatry within our camp than in Catholicism. The difference is that Catholics bow before images of stone and wood (mind you, not all Catholics say the rosary or pray to Mary or the saints, some are more Christ-centered than we would think) and Evangelicals bow before Rick Warren, Benny Hinn and Joel Osteen, just to mention a few names. Evangelicals bow before the pastors, teachers and prophets of their congregations. They don’t test their teachings against the Bible. They take for granted that anyone who can speak eloquently and convincingly and quote Bible verses is speaking from God.
    And I say “they” because, since leaving the Catholic church for good and joining my first Evangelical congregation, I could never completely fit in. When God began talking to me about heresies in Catholicism, I was warned, and very briefly the Holy Spirit began to show me the heresies being preached and the wrong emphases in the church I was attending. In less than a year of attendance to that congregation, the Lord made it clear to me in no uncertain terms that He was not pleased about me attending that church.
    After my husband had his eyes opened by the Holy Spirit, we left that church home in 2006, and joined a congregation whose pastor seemed much more grounded in the Bible. The sad part is he belonged to a bigger ministry from Guatemala (a “5-fold ministry” with great emphasis on the authority of the “apostle”) and, even though his heart was sincere, he was also sincerely wrong (dead wrong!) in many ways. I wanted to leave, but couldn’t… Now I understand God had me stay in this place because He wanted me and my husband to help restore him when the inevitable crisis came. Around 5 years later, our pastor stepped down from ministry, cut formal ties with Guatemala, his spiritual “dad” having deserted him when it got rough, and the Lord started to clean the church from wrong doctrines. He’s still working at it.
    Seven years after joining that church, I’m formally a member but I have more of an outsider’s perspective. I can heartily agree with a lot of things but I can honestly and fully express my disagreement when I feel something’s not quite right. My heart is not so much in this local church, but in the worldwide Church, which is not an institution, not a visible gathering, but a joining together in the Holy Spirit of all true worshippers and true seekers. My heart is with people everywhere who have been trapped by Babylon but don’t know why or how and are seeking a way out. My heart is not with the called who will ultimately reject the message but with the chosen people. My heart is with the widow, the orphan (those who want God to be a husband and father to them, and have been divorced and orphaned to the father of lies, the husband of harlotry) and everyone who wants to keep himself or herself undefiled.

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  7. M’ Kayla I understand your concern about the danger of religious ecumenism although I do not see how can it be achieved when you can read in today’s news that the new pope visited a Basylica dedicated to the Virgin Mary to pray before the icons and declared to the media that Madonna is the protectress of Rome. Anyone familiar with muslims beliefs and history can confirm that they see themselves as being called by God to destroy idolatry, That is why they violently attack hinduist temples in India.

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  8. http://womanarise.com/

    The link above is from the upcoming conference run by “Apostle Doctor Robin Harfouche”.
    At the top is a picture of the Catholic “Mary” showing an “Immaculate Heart” of “Mary” picture.

    The caption beneath it reads:
    “It was through the heart of a woman…that the Savior entered the world.”

    It was through the womb of a woman that the Savior entered the world. The “Immaculate Heart of Mary” is blasphemy. There is a lot of other garbage on the “apostle doctor’s” advertisment, but the draw toward the Catholic church is stunning (I don’t mean that in a nice way.)

    They are preying on the vanity of women…..with great success.

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    • Ohh…….serious?
      SHE, as a woman, has been sent, empowered, anointed to remind women…all that AND a trip to heaven. You know, I have a feeling I will like and agree with some things she will have to say because I know the role of women has been downplayed all along. (That is another discussion.) BUT, like you pointed out, there’s a lot of lying going on. This is why we must point out error. (just1 – QUACK!)

      What’s up with that heart thing? We’ve been seeing it with depictions of “jesus” for decades. It gives me the creeps!

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      • Rick Warren Endorses 2013 Book, “Catholics Come Home” – Calls Catholic Evangelization “Critically Important”
        http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=11347

        We are in the midst of a New Evangelization; and I believe this book is a signal moment in its success. It is also a sign that will lead many folks back home to the family of God, which is [the]Catholic Church.” —Dr. Scott W. Hahn, author of The Lamb’s Supper and Signs of Life (former Protestant turned Catholic “evangelist”)

        “Catholics Come Home inspires each of us to share God’s love with others, in order to help change the world for the better, for eternity!” – Roma Downey, actress and co-producer of the History Channel series The Bible

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  9. Utter blasphemy from the mouth of satan: (Pray that God our Father will have mercy on them and deliver them from this wickedness)

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  10. The Spirit of the unrepentant Jezebel working through her Spiritual children is what is seen, in & out of the Church of Thyatira, the Catholic Church to its baggage.

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  11. It’s worth remembering that the Catholic Church is a divided Church. As are many other churches. Ecumenism is a good movement, if it unites the faithful. One can disagree with the extra-biblical rulings in the Catholic catechism without resorting to depictions of the Pope as an anti-Christ. Many, many truthful biblical teachers and disciples of Christ have been Catholics – and it should be known that the devotions to Mary and saints are not compulsory within the Catholic Church.

    What is being preached in the pentecostal movement in churches such as Bethel is infinitely more deceptive – because it systematically distorts the Word of God. The Catholic Church, for all its sins and failings, does not and never has, done that.

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    • James, Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity except that it uses the name of Christ, much in the same way as Charismania. They are equally dangerous as they are deceptive.

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      • Thank-you M’Kayla for your blog. It has a gentle message of hope for those who have had to leave charismatic churches because their conscience will not let them stay.

        A church that runs for millennia will have serious baggage and need constant reform. But I would have to disagree that “Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity except that it uses the name of Christ, much in the same way as Charismania.” St Francis of Assisi has a lot do with Catholicism. Yet St Francis and Charismania have absolutely nothing in common. The Catholic church has failed many people, but is it deliberately deceptive in leading people away from Christ? I don’t believe so. We may have to disagree on this point.

        I only post this because I believe that living by the Gospel is simple and yet difficult for many of us. We need the testament of others who have gone before us, including those from other cultures, not just our own. Charismania ignores this difficulty by exalting personal experience and direct revelation above and beyond the Gospel.

        In honesty and truth, Jesus call to “leave everything and follow me” requires that we question many personal, social and political realities. Some churches take this seriously even if they fail time and time again, while many don’t even try.

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    • In Obama’s cabinet itself are many a Jezebels & by calling themselves Catholic does not define the Church for in its history were many a hearsay’s, but thanks to its early saints, In terms of the Churches today can said to be either Fallen or Non Fallen by their standings & the marker to this is clearly come the Gay Agendas & its complcency, for they the Anglican-the breakaway,(through one of their kings lusting after the desires of the flesh) their Episcopals a many a Protestant & Reformation Churches including so called national ones have all fallen away into those “Wordly” agendas & incidentally the Catholic/Traditional Church with all its fault whatsoever still stands. Which is to know that fundamentally the Church has it right even though on its surface are many errors in which case it is correctable, Whereas the Protestant error is in its very Fundamental to the basic word faith ,Leavened to make it Faith only, contradicting St. James ‘”Faith without works is dead” thus leading to a series of errors, even unto many an Evangelicals backslidden to ear pleasings all of this to the Prophecy of the falling away unto the revelation of the man of sin the son of perdition for it is already so, man is so deluded today that when the Prophecy comes right before his very eyes he is unable to see it.

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  12. James,
    To add to my post, above (way above ;)), I would say that until I sat down with a Bible (and not a Catholic Bible which has extra-canonical books in it and footnotes that wind back to non-biblical Roman Catholic doctrines such as transubstantiation, the sinlessness of Mary, purgatory, etc.) I believed the same as you. Mind you, it took me a full six years of inquiry, study, questioning, Bible studies, Liturgy studies, and growth as a new New Christian to finally realize there are pointed differences in Catholicism and Christianity. Again, remember, this study and growth took place after I became a Christian.

    I understand, completely, the defensive mode a Catholic has. I defended “the faith” for years. There are good reasons for that. There is much carefully planned indoctrination that takes place. Have you heard the famous saying attributed to the Jesuits? To whit: “Give us a child until he is 7 and we have him for life?” There is a lot of foundational psychological conditioning that takes place in the tender, formative years, that has a strong hold on Roman Catholics who are such from early on. And, as I noted, above, I was born into it and went to twelve years of Catholic education, experiencing the church both before and after Vatican II, so I had the full-on force of it.

    As for those who convert to Catholicism later in life, well, look at all the bells and whistles: there’s some New Age type teaching and practices, there’s a lot of pomp and circumstance, a lot of wealth and intellectual appeal and so on. And, nowadays, occultic practices of the so-called “desert fathers and mothers” are catching on (even in non-Catholic churches) like wild fire in this era of coveting experience over sound doctrine, most notably, “contemplative prayer.”

    Keep reading, questioning, praying for guidance. It can be hard coming out of such an all-pervasive system, but many have. I’ve written several posts on my blog about my own journey coming out of Catholicism. http://www.pnissila.wordpress.com. Category: Out of the Fire: on Leaving Roman Catholicism.
    Best,
    Phyllis

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  13. James asked, “The Catholic church has failed many people, but is it deliberately deceptive in leading people away from Christ?”

    James, If you haven’t visited Phyllis’s blog, I would strongly encourage you to read her testimony. It is wonderfully encouraging and speaks to the heart of the ills of Catholicism.

    A church that teaches that the “Holy Father” is a man in a white cloak, that a woman is a “co-redeemer” to Jesus Christ, and that there is a place called “purgatory” where you will go to burn away any “un-repented” sins before entering heaven is directly and purposefully leading people away from the Gospel.

    We have one Holy Father who is God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He does not share His throne with any man, save the flesh He gave His Word in His Son, Jesus Christ. Before His feet we will all bow. To call another man this name contradicts the very words of Jesus.

    “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father’, for you have one Father, and He is in heaven. Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.” (Matt 23:8-10)

    There is only one name by which men may be saved, and that is Jesus Christ. Mary cannot save a single soul, no matter how many titles the Catholic church wants to give her. We come by the name of Jesus Christ, or we do not come.

    “Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. He is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.’ Salvation is found in NO ONE ELSE, for there is NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN TO MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED.” (Acts 4:10-12, emphasis mine)

    And purgatory? We are forgiven, or we are not. We have put our faith in Jesus Christ as our Savior and let ourselves be washed in His Words, or we have not. There is not a place in between, and it is a terrible blasphemy of the Word of God, who is Jesus Christ in the flesh, to teach people anything different.

    When has a man done enough works to escape purgatory? Do you see the problem? It is impossible. We either walk in the grace of Jesus Christ, or we have nothing.

    “But now a righteousness from God, apart from the law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His Grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” (Romans 3:21-24)

    A person can say a thousand “Hail Mary’s” a day, take the “Eucharist” daily, confess their sins daily, go to mass daily, and NOT BE SAVED. It is maddening. Peace in Jesus Christ comes only from accepting that which was freely given. Our works, which are nothing but filthy rags before a Holy God, are an outflow of our love for Him. They do not justify us in any way whatsoever.

    My hope for Catholics is that God is faithful even when men are not…..

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    • It is neither by Faith “Alone” the leaven, the error of Pentecostalism, neither is it by works alone, but by Faith in the works to the Grace, for “faith without works is dead.” Abraham by Faith offering his only Son, received the Grace, to his works in the obedience . But when it becomes Faith alone is but to the occult, When Jesus said pick up your crosses & follow me there indeed is work in it even unto sacrifices, for the Word Cross denotes Sacrifice. Occult is poison & poison is cured by poison, as the Antidote, for if the Rosary is poison it acts as the Antidote against the poison of the Occult. “That Enmity”

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  14. James
    While I do sadly agree that many non Catholic churches have fallen into apostasy, the very same charge has to be levelled against the Catholic church. If we were to boil the argument down to the most fundamental of christian doctrine , and that is , what is the gospel , and how can a man be saved , then based entirely on what the bible teaches , the inevitable outcome would be that the Catholic is teaching a different gospel , but then , so are a lot of other churches.

    Abey
    Sinners are justified by faith ,,,,,,,,,,,alone, not by works . On this point alone , the Catholic church has long parted ways with scriptural truth.

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  15. Abey,
    The history of the rosary is what it is. Nowhere is it found in Scriptures, old or new. Jesus, on the other hand, came to fulfill, completely, every “jot and tittle” of the law, as the Word of God Made Flesh, not to leave the door open for anybody’s new idea of what religion or salvation should be. Read the account of His post-resurrection conversation with the two travelers on the road to Emmaus. He is very clear.

    If you will pardon my bluntness, your rambling reminds me of the word-smithing of old Catholics in a confusion about the place of all manner of trinkets and idols in that system for sale to the unwary or those who are unaware of the plain meaning of the Scriptures. But I understand where you’re at, as they say. I was there myself, once.

    I would offer another of my blog posts, this one on that very topic, the rosary (I met a lady in the last Catholic church I went to who claimed to see a vision of Mary, circa late seventies) for more of a commentary on that brand of “devotion.” https://pnissila.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/mrs-p-and-the-gold-rosary-beads-the-danger-of-one-degree-off/ The minister I worked for at the time and referenced in my anecdote is also a former Roman Catholic.

    Stay in the Word of God. Let His wisdom, comfort, guidance, and correction bless you and clarify his good plans for your life.
    Best,
    Phyllis

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    • Prophecy by its revelations are part of the Scriptures to form the word of God in the wholeness of it, for salvation is its purpose. Do your words arise from that fulness ? But to say your words are in wanting do put this question to your ex. Catholic minister “What is the Prophecy in the specfics, to the words of Jesus on the Cross “It is finished” ?

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  16. abey,

    “I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: ‘The righteous will live by faith’. ” (Romans 1:16-17)

    “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.” (Eph 2:8-9, my emphasis)

    “All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags…” (Isa 64: 6 a)

    Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one He has sent.” (John 6: 28-29)

    Our salvation comes only from faith in the work and person of Jesus Christ, and even this faith is a work of God and not of ourselves. Our “good works” are nothing more than our desire to cling to His Word and obey His teachings out of obedience to Him. They earn us NOTHING but give witness to our love for God and His Word.

    There is no such thing in “faith in the works to the grace”. That would mean that salvation in some way depended on our acts. Salvation is a gift freely given to all who believe.

    The “Rosary” is a pagan prayer. At best, it is an act of superstition. At worst, it is idolatry. Repetition of that prayer endlessly brings nothing of the Word of God into a person’s life. In fact, it is a “prayer” that disobeys the very words of the LORD:

    “And when you pray, do not keep babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.” (Matt 6:7-8)

    I have dear friends who sincerely pray the Rosary daily. They incorrectly believe that they receive forgiveness and favor by praying it. It is a form of spiritual bondage that has no power to bring about the Godly life that we are called to in Jesus Christ. How much better their time would be served to read the Word of God who is Jesus Christ in the flesh and trust in Him….

    Poison does not drive out poison any more than darkness drives out darkness. It is light that drives out darkness; and that light is the Word of God.

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    • “By Grace you have been saved through Faith” & “Faith without works is dead”. Simply means the Grace comes through the Faith & in the faith is the works. Repeat, Abraham (from whom the covenant commenced) by his act of Faith received the Grace which act was obedience to the Word of God which is the work. However he did not demand the Grace (which pentecostalism seems to have taken it for granted) but it was entirely upto God to give the Grace to which none can boast saying “It was because of my Faith or my Works” for all fall short of the Glory of God which simply means none can earn the Grace but by His Mercy come as the Grace. Against this is the leaven of Martin Luther, by adding the word “Only” to Faith to make it “faith only” the error of pentecostalism, to the very fundamental. How does one explain the Anglican, its episcopals & many a protestant groups falling for the Gay Agendas today (come as the marker)to the Compromising/Complacency, the very ones, from the “Rebellion” of the Anglican who have always been faulting the Catholic unto the day have but all fallen away. Neither by your words give any space for the Holy Spirit to enact the scriptures to the Prophecies for in the very first place the scriptures were by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit & it needs the Spirit to the revelations (commenced by the Spirit is to end by it) like unto the words of Jesus of the manner”You know not the Father neither the Son but them unto whom the Son pleases to reveal” which comes in & off the Spirit. All this is to say of your Error “Go not by the mind but by the Spirit” for God is Spirit, by which you will understand your so called Poison , as the antidote to the Poison called the Occult to the prophesied Sorcery,, even like a sort of looking up to the Brazen Serpent in the wilderness to a cure.

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    • Moderator: “Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft” that which drives Masonry & to this let me reveal the Spirit that is working in you & that other one full of lies -the Spirit of the Sorceress, highly deceiving in the flesh, but when revealed in the Spirit is found to be Full of hatred & Betrayal. A revelation spoken out my encounter with her in the Spirit, the same wicked one said to have been encountered by St. Antony in the wilderness. So Come out of her for your own sakes. & do not bother to reply. Amen.

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    But when it becomes Faith alone is but to the occult,
    end quote
    Abey, what on earth would prompt someone to come out with the above statement?

    Our justification , the means by which we are declared righteous before God , is by faith alone . There are many, many biblical passages and verses that testify to this , and the following are only a few .

    Romans 3:28
    Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    Galatians 2:16
    Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law , but by the faith of Jesus Christ.

    Ephesians 1:8-9
    For by grace are ye saved through faith;and that not of yourselves:it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast.

    And here’s the thing, its not even “our faith” that saves us , it is the faith of Christ given as a gift so we might believe, ie, there is not a single thing we have that can save us , it is all of Christ.

    The Catholic church has made its business the imposition of works justification, and nothing could be further from the true gospel than this.

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  18. To the Biblical words of the manner “Believe in Jesus & you are saved” which evidence comes not off the mind but through the Spirit, who declares ones belief unto God , for the Spirit is the Spirit of Truth & does not lie(unlike the corrupted mind) & its declaration is once & for all, like the faith itself delivered unto the Saints once.

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  19. “faith without works is dead” in my experience, is understood by Catholicism to mean that works (praying the rosary, good deeds, going to mass, taking the eucharist, etc.) MAKES our faith “alive” and not “dead.” (I was raised Catholic all of my childhood into adult life).

    I understand the scriptural teaching (looking at the whole of scripture) is that the works talked about in this verse are EVIDENCE of an ALREADY alive faith. If I am a person who does not put effort into learning the teachings of scripture, does not keep a teachable heart, does not obey the words of Jesus, does not forgive, does not care about my brother’s and sister’s needs etc., then others would have reason to suspect that my faith is “dead.”

    The difference may seem subtle, but it is a reflection of a larger understanding of how works fit into the life of a believer. As a Catholic I always had this picture of a balance scale: If my good stuff outweighed my bad stuff I’d be ok. I’d get to go to heaven – maybe after some time spent in purgatory. The things I could do to help my scales tip to the desired side included going to confession, saying the rosary, lighting candles on the altar, going to mass (none of this scriptural) among other scriptural things like obeying my parents, being responsible, being kind, helping others, etc. While these good things are indeed good, they are not the means to an end. They are the result of the believer’s new life.

    The results of the Catholic teaching is evident in my aging parents. My mother just cannot let go of the idea she needs to do just a few more things and THEN she can rest in the thought of heaven. Even though I have shown her time and again how this is not a requirement of salvation and her inheritance in heaven. Some days she grabs hold of it, and other days the doubts creep in….”what if the priest is not there at the moment of her death to give her last rites, what if she hasn’t been to mass for awhile, will anyone light candles for her after she is gone, what if…..”

    My father, after 80 plus years of trying to be good, has figured out he cannot be good enough and cannot possibly possess the knowledge required to know if he has “done enough” to get to heaven. He has decided to simply trust in the atonement of Jesus.

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    • But noone is saying that true faith doesn’t produce good works. Of course it does. If it didn’t it would be dead faith, the “faith” of demons.
      It’s not enough to say you know, that is, intellectually, that Jesus is the savior of the world. It’s not enough to confess with your lips that you’re a sinner needing that savior. You have to SEE (by the revelation of the Holy Spirit) you’re a sinner and grieve over it in true repentance and SEE Jesus is a great savior and trust Him and Him alone as the basis of your acceptance by God. That is saving faith which then, after you receive the ASSURANCE, the testimony of the Holy Spirit (no human being can tell you that!) that you are a child of God, will lead you to thanksgiving and praise and WITH JOY you’ll want to do great things to please your Heavenly Father who has saved you without any merit on your part.
      Works, that is, TRUE works are always empowered by true faith. Faith is like a seed that will inevitably, as a result of God’s grace upon grace and the Holy Spirit’s leading, get you to work OUT that salvation, that is, manifest it, live it out, not so that God will accept you, but BECAUSE you have been accepted.
      Look at this passage in Ezekiel 36. Notice how many “I” God uses to make it clear that HE is the one who deserves all the glory in our regeneration.
      I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
      If He didn’t cleanse us from our filthiness, give as a new heart, put His Holy Spirit in us, remove the heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh, there’s no way we could walk in our statutes and obey His ordinances. But when He takes the initiative and saves us by grace through faith, THEN good works result. That’s why Jesus says we can tell what a tree is by its fruit. A tree that has been regenerated by God will necessarily give good fruit. If not, we can very well think the person hasn’t been saved at all.

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  20. Abey,
    I see many have given better responses to the faith and works riddle better than I could have. Just to add my little two cents, let me share my story.
    Raised as a Catholic and officially part of that system for 25 years, I know what theunentangling is talking about. I was an externally good girl (good student, etc.) but very rotten on the inside. I was very very selfish and I knew it and my family kept reminding me. My involvement in religion did very little to remove those evil tendencies or to relieve me of my guilt. Because the thing is, deep inside I knew I was a very guilty hell-deserving sinner before a very holy God, who, in spite of all the nice cathecism classes, I still viewed as an angry judge. To be fair, I can’t say the cathecism I was taught stressed hell or even God’s punishment of sin, but I did read my New Testament and couldn’t shake off phrases like “Wide is the gate that leads to perdition.” I’m not saying the Catholic church generated in me this dread of hell and guilty feelings. But it did nothing to help me get out of that sin-condemnation trap. I felt worse and worse and that led me to more sins. And resentment against God too.
    Any works-based system of redemption (unless it’s the works done by Christ) gets you forever wondering if your good deeds are enough to offset the bad, leaves you anxious instead of thankful.
    On reading my Bible and finally getting the message in Romans, Ephesians and Galatians, I discovered a peace and joy I NEVER knew before (in spite of the many religious retreats and other good spiritual experiences I’d had) and not only that, but deliverance from MANY besetting sins. Take, for example, my bitterness and anger. Once I knew I was forgiven and accepted IN THE BELOVED, I was a brand new person, I could see a grand plan and design in my life from a loving God, and knowing I was deeply loved I could finally forgive the many people who hurt me in the past. Religion didn’t do that. I won’t give the glory to the Evangelical church which brought this truths to me. All the glory goes to Jesus and the Holy Spirit which illuminated me with revelation in my personal Bible study. By His grace, a lot of the pieces of the puzzle came together.
    I have since then been very disappointed by the current state of the Evangelical “church” and conclude much of Protestantism is in apostasy. But that doesn’t make the Catholic church any truer. See, it’s the pot calling the kettle black.
    Paul said great apostasy would come after his departure, and that’s what, around 100 AD? Heresies such as gnosticism stem no later than the end of the first century, begining of the second AD. In fact the apostle John referred to them in his first epistle. If that apostasy was ALREADY happening before the original apostles were dead, how much more leaven do you think the devil has managed to introduced in institutional Christianity.
    But the thing is, when Jesus said the doors of Hades would not prevail against His church, He didn’t mean a visible institution. He meant His ekklesia, His gathering of TRUE believers.
    Many many Christians would do well to take heed of Jesus’ warnings in Matthew 7. Not all who say Lord Lord will go to Heaven. In fact many will boast of great works done for Him and end up with the door closed on them and hearing, Depart from me, you workers of iniquity.

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  21. Hi, all!
    M’Kayla, you are right in your assessment. There is no sure salvation in that system. It’s constant introspection, rather like the “examination of conscience” one is told to perform every day so that when “confession” is made to the priest, one remembers all one’s sins so that one does not make a “bad confession” and thereby nullify the “sacrament.” It goes on and on. In fact, my recent post, “Out of the Fire, On Leaving Roman Catholicism 5: From Dust to Redemption,” deals with this theme. http://pnissila.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/out-of-the-fire-on-leaving-roman-catholicism-5-from-dust-to-redemption/ .

    Abey: best to meditate on the Scriptures first-hand than on extrapolations of interpretations of religion-speak of Catholic doctrine that is ever-morphing to suit the latest “Papal Bull” (no pun intended. This is what they call official “decrees” of the pope).

    Like other commenters who have left the Catholic religious system, I know what you are going through. You do not have to defend the RC church, try to understand it’s ways and means, or in any other way shift your gaze from Jesus Christ in Whom we enjoy salvation. Just think: if Satan can get us to continually look inward to make sure we are following the hundreds of rules of Catholicism, who will then do the work of the Great Commission?

    My prayers are with you. It can be a very tough, frustrating, disheartening, and depressing process coming out of Roman Catholicism. It took me a full six years after I became a Christian to be “free of the grave cloth,” so to speak.

    Continually ask Jesus for help. He will see you through. I’ve been a Christian for nearly forty years, now. “There is life after…Roman Catholicism,” and may I add, life with joy.
    Cheers and blessings,
    Phyllis

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        • Abey, until you can speak coherently, I will not be posting your comments. It is a waste of time for you to continue to attempt to post your blabber, and I won’t spend any of my needed time trying to understand you, nor will I ask my readers to. I have given you a wide road and direction which you have ignored. Stop please.

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    • M’Kayla,
      Abey’s comments are not BECOMING hard to understand. They’ve been confusing from the beginning.
      Regarding the infiltration of Protestant churches by freemasonry, I have read from different sources and I think in some cases it’s true. Abey, if you read this blog, you’ll notice M’Kayla keeps denouncing false teachers. Some of them may be freemasons, or even undercover satanists. I’ve read such about a very famous evangelist. But I still think it’s the pot calling the kettle black. There is just as much (or perhaps, at the top levels, much more!!) freemasonry and sorcery and witchcraft in Catholicism as there is in Protestantism.
      This is not a question of which branch of the tree is healthy and which is rotten. BOTH are rotten to the core. Jesus didn’t come to found an institution, but a group of disciples who would so believe in Him (not just in His teachings, but in HIM as the source of true life and every blessing) that they would be willing to die for Him. Christianity at large is a far cry from that conviction.
      Jesus said,
      When I come back, will I find faith on the Earth?
      Will He?
      He won’t if we are more concerned with defending an institution (and attacking all rivals) than His testimony in us.
      There is a REMNANT of true believers who will hold on to Him and will defend His truth even if it costs their very lives. When our lives are at stake, parroting scriptures, (like you said some of us do), won’t do. Unless we really know the Christ of the Scriptures, we’ll fall away just like the rest do.
      What will you do, Abey? What will you believe?
      Because man, for the most part, has been a liar from the very beginning. Most religious people are in reality children of the devil. Catholics and Protestants alike.
      Jesus said, NARROW is the gate that leads to salvation. BROAD is the way that leads to perdition.
      Which path wil you take?
      Which god will you serve? A god of man’s invention, a god of religious traditions, or the one true God the Scriptures reveal?
      Eternal life depends on KNOWING Christ and Christ knowing YOU. Does Jesus know you?

      You’re absolutely right, parroting Scriptures and borrowed truths won’t help ANY of us on the day we’re face to face with the one true Savior of the world. Knowing the Cathecism won’t help you.
      So all of us, we’d better listen to Him and repent of any pride and self-righteousness we hold on to.
      If you died today, what would Jesus say to you? Well done, good and faithful servant? Would He? On what grounds would you entreat Him to let you in? Your good works?
      Believe what you will, but consider yourself warned. Unless you believe in Christ more than you believe in man’s depictions of Him, you will die in your sins and suffer in hell forever.

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  22. M’Kayla, I totally agree with you. I have found that there are many people in Christian forums who are not interested at all in open dialog and sharing truths. In fact, they’re not interested in finding truth because they are so fanatically convinced that they have already found it. Their self-righteousness and foolishness is evident but of course they are completely oblivious to the fact.
    I believe the number one rule of any seeker and disciple of Jesus is to be humble when engaging in any interaction on spiritual matters. Otherwise, any sharing is at best a waste of time and at worst and exhibition of pride, hypocrisy, contention and every fleshly manifestation which can only further defile us. Out of the abundance of our hearts we speak.
    Folks, this is not a competition over who wins the argument. Eternal life is at stake. I deeply grieve over Abey and other blind people (including the false teachers you M’Kayla denounce) who are so convinced of their own good standing with God and in fact are in grave danger of fulfilling the prophecies found in Matthew 7 (Depart from me you workers of iniquity…). I ask for the Holy Spirit to keep examining me (even though I do have the assurance of being His) because I certainly do not want to fall into that category!
    May the Lord help us stay on the narrow road! Certainly it’s not God’s will that any of us should perish and His grace is available for all who desire it. May we hold on to it! May we truly seek Him with all our hearts!

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  24. Hey M’Kayla. I found your blog months ago, and it’s only now that God has really led me out of “Charismania,” by taking away my false gifts. Praise God!

    Anyway, I was going through your blog for some answers on how to get some close relatives out of those false doctrines ( and I’d still appreciate any help on this! ),but I noticed your blog supports the NWO theory? I don’t know if you still do, but I thought I should let you know it’s unscriptural, and based on conspiracy theories and false doctrine. The Bible actually hints at this, for Revelation’s “mark” is a throwback to Exodus 13:16: “And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the Lord brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand.”

    As well as Deuteronomy 6:8: “Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.”

    This, and numerous passages in both OT and NT point to Revelation taking place in the Middle East… Hardly a NWO with tattoos implanted in us, as we’ve been taught. But it’s perhaps a new religious/political movement that will begin towards the end of this age.

    God bless!

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    • Hi Sherry T.
      I’m not sure what you mean about my blog supporting the NWO or that such a belief is based on conspiracy theories..etc. There is nothing on my blog supported by conspiracies. And yes, I do believe that the things to come will affect the entire world and not just the middle east. Please clarify.

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      • Oh, I don’t think your blog is supported by the NWO, or that you’re actively pushing that doctrine… I just remembered seeing some stuff like that on your blog. I wanted to let you know that, if you still believe we’ll all one day buy and sell via a tattoo, and the governments are manipulating every single move we make into the NWO… Well, it’s best to check what Scripture actually means by a “mark,” and who shall arise from where. I’ve seen a lot of crazy theories about the RC and the NWO… None of them corroborating with the culture the NT was written in. And since this stuff may or may not hurt our witness, it’s best we be Bereans, even for something like this. 🙂

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        • Sherry, what do you do with this?
          Revelation 13: 15The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image would also speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed. 16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…

          So whether the mark comes as a branding, a tattoo, or an implant, we don’t know yet. But we do know it will happen, and we do know the world is being readied to accept it.

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          • Simple. I use Scripture, as well as the cultural aspects of John’s day to interpret Revelation. Again, consider:

            Deuteronomy 11:18: “Therefore you shall lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and bind them AS A SIGN ON YOUR HAND, and they shall be AS FRONTLETS BETWEEN YOUR EYES.”

            Deuteronomy 6:5-8, “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. You shall bind them AS A SIGN ON YOUR HAND and they shall be AS FRONTALS ON YOUR FOREHEAD.”

            And Exodus 13:9 says, “And it shall serve AS A SIGN to you on your hand, and AS A REMINDER to you on your forehead, that the law of the LORD may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the LORD brought you out of Egypt.”

            John and his peers would have likely been familiar with the phrases used in the OT, and the way they tie into worship. It’s also not a stretch to say that, whoever the Anti-Christ is, he will make it difficult to live without his religion… We see this already today, under radical Islam; also in history, under the Greek Selucids. I am not supposing that the Anti-Christ will be limited to the Middle East, because that’s not what Scripture says… But Scripture also doesn’t say that God changed literal Babylon to some other land, or that the mark will be a literal branding. I am concerned by this, as I don’t think it’s consistent with the rest of the Bible, is all I’m saying. 🙂

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            • Sherry, this is nearly impossible to discuss without clear points of reference which seems to be lacking here. The scriptures in the OT that you quoted are commands from the Lord to remember His words and the binding is a practice that used to take place at that time. The scripture in Revelation that I quoted which speaks of the mark of the beast, the word “mark” is translated engrave or stamp – 5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties. I will agree that both are a form of worship – one to the Lord, the other to the Beast. Daniel 3 plays an interesting part in this, as well. Additionally, I don’t know of a change in Babylon, as you stated…and I see it as a reference to the power that controls and takes over the world. I also understand that some things we know and other things are yet to be understood.

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