Exposing Heresy

This, and the post following, from My Word Like Fire will deal with Escape the Lie. I am sad and angered for the situation, and the loss of the interview media, but find it necessary to warn and protect the faith. I have talked with and prayed with John at My Word…and know without a doubt he has the best intention and that his writing on this topic has been done in love for the truth and for our Lord. We continue to trust God.

Radio host exposes heresy on one station, promotes heresy on another

Monty Meyer is host and founder of Escape The Lie Radio and website, which were created for “Exposing False Prophets, Lying Signs & Wonders Within The Body of Christ.”

The first scripture one reads on the Escape The Lie website is Galatians 1:8: But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed.

Unfortunately, on Monty Meyer’s other radio show and website, www.take12radio.com, another gospel is cheerfully preached and promoted. It is the gospel of Alcoholics Anonymous, where Christ is, at best, one higher power among many.

One of the daily broadcasts on Take12 Radio is Walking Through the Big Book. The Big Book is essentially the AA “bible.” Monty co-hosts with a well known twelve step speaker, as they thoroughly go through the Big Book from beginning to end.

Over on his expose-the-heretics show, Escape The Lie, Monty identified himself as a “conservative Pentecostal.” How, then, can he promote the AA Big Book, which boldly contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Hurting alcoholics who do not know the Lord learn, through the AA Big Book, that they do not need Christ at all in order to have a relationship with the Father:

“The central fact of our lives today is the absolute certainty that our Creator has entered our hearts and our lives in a way that is miraculous.” (AA Big Book, pg.25)

“[A]ll of us, whatever our race, creed, or color are children of a living Creator with whom we may form a relationship upon simple and understandable terms as soon as we are willing and honest enough to try.” (AA Big Book, pg.28)

The AA religion has excluded Christ as mediator. Alcoholics instead learn that no matter how they envision or understand their “higher power,” they have direct access to Him (or Her, or It).

For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

The Big Book also contradicts Christ’s warning in Matthew 7:13: “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is BROAD that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

According to the AA Big Book, “We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God.” (AA Big Book, pg. 46-47) (Bold mine)

If the Lord warns against the broad way of spirituality, why do we think we know better? Why would we even want to participate in such a thing, or give it credibility by approving of it?

This is not an attack on Monty Meyer as a person. Yet, if I can put it bluntly, Monty Meyer has no right to promote Escape The Lie, as he is giving a forum to many anti-biblical concepts over on his recovery radio site.

Pro-AA author Dick B., whose errant AA history has drawn many Christians into the twelve steps, has a weekly show on Monty’s recovery radio station. I spoke with him several years ago about Dick B.’s “No, really, AA has Christian roots” claims, but it made no difference.

It made no difference because Monty and Dick B. and many, many others are syncretists–their faith is a blend of Christianity and twelve step theology. While other movements may be examined biblically, as Monty does on Escape The Lie, Alcoholics Anonymous and the twelve steps will remain untouched.

This is because AA and the twelve steps have become an idol. No, that is not an exaggeration. Nor is it a particularly new offense.

And those who bow down and swear to the Lord and yet swear by Milcom, (Zephaniah 1:5)

Anti-biblical Meditation–

There is more research to do, but even a perfunctory investigation demonstrates that Monty has given airtime to those whose teachings oppose Christ. On the Step by Step Towards Emotional Sobriety program, Monty’s co-host introduced their guest, John Amodeo, author of Dancing with Fire: A Mindful Way to Loving Relationships.

Unfortunately, Amodeo’s book is full of advice about Buddhist and other anti-biblical meditation practices. Here is a Youtube video where Amadeo plugs his book. Please notice the labyrinth, the people meditating, etc.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23FsuLHPHvs

Another episode is titled The I to Thou Relationship: Introducing Martin Buber

But Buber advocated the silence of meditation. According to one website:

Silence, for Buber, plays a crucial part in dialogue. Indeed, it could be argued that ‘attentive silence’ is the basis of dialogue (Avnon 1998: 42-3). This is an idea that may seem strange at first sight, but is fundamental to the experience of groups such as the Quakers.

In silence which is active, the Inner Light begins to glow – a tiny spark. For the flame to be kindled and to grow, subtle argument and the clamour of our emotions must be stilled. It is by an attention full of love that we enable the Inner Light to blaze and illuminate our dwelling and to make of our whole being a source from which this Light may shine out…. Speech has no meaning unless there are attentive minds and silent hearts. Silence is the welcoming acceptance of the other. The word born of silence must be received in silence. (Lacourt 1970: 9, 26) http://infed.org/mobi/martin-buber-on-education/

I feel for all the unsaved AA people who rely on this station for support. They don’t know any better.  But Monty should know better. The Bible tells us:

Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; (Ephesians 5:11)

If you are in a discernment ministry, or have a testimony about coming out of deceptive darkness, please beware: Escape The Lie is not a program you want to help legitimize–not when the host is promoting deception on his other show.

Related: Dick B. finally admits AA co-founder Bill W. was NOT a Christian–READ

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18 thoughts on “Exposing Heresy

  1. Hi M’Kayla. I actually have a copy of the media from Escape the Lie. Your interview and Stephanie G. (the gal from IHOP). I had them uploaded on my YouTube but deleted after hearing of Monty’s endorsements of AA and CR. It took me a while to delete them, I won’t lie, simple because I was thinking your’s and Stephanie’s testimony would reach people. However, seeing that Monty still has his other show going (and even viewing the site) I just don’t want to take the risk of folks seeing that and thinking AA or CR is Ok. I don’t know if I will reupload them with maybe a caveat, haven’t decided, still praying about it.

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    • Ballerina,
      Thank you. This is why I put up the disclaimer and am posting articles from My Word Like Fire. I do know that this particular interview helped many. The whole situation grieves me. I would love to know how and where it is saved to. I was promised a CD but was told I cannot use it on the internet because it is “copyrighted”. Well, the interview is the result of MY work and I never copyright anything, so, I am just a bit put out. Not because it is “mine” but because it has had a great impact on helping people see the truth, and that is the point. I appreciate your support and prayer!!!

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  2. M’Kayla I emailed Monty himself and he told me that I could upload anything from his site that I wanted. That is strange that he told you that and then told me something else. :-/ I only have the audio in video form, since I converted it to video via movie maker, I deleted the audio itself. Do you know a way I can send the video to you? I am not computer savy in that way. Click on my picture or my user name (Ballerina) and it will take you straight to my website and then click on “contact me” and send me a message there and I will email you. I personally do not like putting my email address on such a public forum.

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    • Woody, please ask yourself WHY the God of all creation who has power over the living and the dead needs a man made program to help him free people from bondage? CR simply took the AA 12 Steps and stamped the name of the Lord all over them. Besides, Rick Warren is no one to get involved with. 🙂 Go deeper in your understanding.

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  3. When Rick Warren and John Baker found that many opposed the twelve steps per se, an eight step program based on the Beatitudes was introduced. Some CR groups were at one time using both! 20 Steps!

    CR is not the same as AA, but there is such a crossover in play–AA terminology, concepts, and many have no problem jumping back and forth from AA to CR.

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  4. So according to this man, if we can learn to decipher the messages inside of us and listen to our bodies and our feelings, we will be moved forward in more meaningful relationships and have a deeper spirituality? Whatever happened to deciphering the Word of God, literally the scriptures, which the Bible says are “Life to those who find them and health to all their bodies. What more could we want? Jesus came to give us an abundant life, which includes good relationships and good health, spirit, soul, and body. But it comes from the Abiding in His Word and letting His Word abide in us.

    Yes, I saw the labyrinth and the other stuff that the Bible says in an abomination to God. Christians have been dabbling in the occult too long and don’t even know it. Years ago in the late 80’s I listened (On a David Hunt Video) to an Indian Guru who had been Born Again. He said that Americans were oblivious to the dangers they were exposing themselves to through playing the Ouigi Board and doing Yoga. He said taking part in them opened the person up to Demon Spirits and these practices and many like them were Eastern Religious Practices that were forbidden by God in Deuteronomy Chapters 18 and 19. I firmly believe that Americans and American Christians have opened the Door to these Spirits in there own lives, actually throughout this Country, when they dabble in these things.

    Further more I believe these spirits convince the person that there is nothing wrong with these and other occult practices, that they are harmless and, eventually, the spirits convince them of the real reason and purpose they even exist which is to convince man that there are other paths to God than Jesus Christ. When Americans got really turned on in the 60’s through the Beatles and their music, as well as that of others, we began to go downhill as a Nation. Soon we had taken Prayer out of school, Abortion was common and the Homosexuals began to come out of the closet. Today, even Pastors will tell you,”Yoga is a gray area.” There is nothing gray about it. Demon spirits that attach themselves to these things and then to those who practice them are permeating the lives of Christians and Churches and we watch with amazement at the Falling Away, while most so-called Christians think they are “moving forward in their meaningful relationships and deeper spirituality.” In fact, some as they continue in these practices, have their conscious seared and they actually end up denying the very work of the Holy Spirit on the Cross and all that Jesus came to die for by even suggesting there are other paths to God, as many do today. You cannot be a Christian and believe there are other paths to God. He alone is the Lamb of God that was Slain for the forgiveness of our sins. There is no other way. The sleeping Virgins need to wake up but their leaders are rocking them to sleep with their own unbelief. What a state the Church is in.

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  5. I just want to say that I am familiar with Rick Warren’s 8 Step Recovery Program, Celebrating Recovery. There is a huge problem with it and much like most other Recovery programs today, the problem is that they teach that addiction is a “disease.” rather than a sin. It is not a disease. It is sin. Addiction is the result of repeated sin that finally becomes a stronghold in a person’s life which most of the time requires serious intervention and lots of work on the part of the person to finally get free. But “he whom the Son sets free is free indeed!” How many of us know in our heart that it is not always Jesus’ will to heal people? Think of the 89 year old with Cancer. He can heal him but He may not. But we know it is Jesus’ will to always deliver us from our sin. If we don’t get delivered from our sin we are doing something to block it, but it is always His will to deliver us from sin.

    We do people a great disservice by agreeing with the World that it is a Disease. Read Galatians 5. Tell me why would God send someone to hell for Drunkenness if it were a disease? Nowhere in this Chapter do I read that a diabetic or a someone with ADD will “not inherit the Kingdom of God”. But I do read that a drunkard will not. If it was a disease, what kind of a loving God would send someone to Hell for not getting healed from such a disease? It is not a disease. It is a sin problem.

    When we tell people addiction is a disease, we make it harder for them to get delivered because they are not sure God will heal them. But if we tell them it is a sin, they are left with the reality that the ball is in their park and they need to repent and seek God for that deliverance and He will move heaven and earth to help them get free.

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  6. Thanks for posting those excerpts. Very revealing. I have a friend who struggles with addiction. I have told him AA is not Christian and he is very adamant about denying this. Yet sadly he relapsed. He seemed to walk with the Lord, and was always praising God but has already fallen away.

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  7. I would also like to point out that many CR groups are still leaning on the 12 Steps, which Christians simply should not use, not even in “Christianized” form. The 12 Steps came from an unclean spirit.

    T.A. McMahon, Editor of the Berean Call, writes, “A.A.’s official biography indicates Bill Wilson received the details of the 12 Steps through spirit dictation. Does anyone see a simple, idolatrous problem here?”

    McMahon then addresses the well meaning effort to offer “Christ centered” 12 Step support groups. “But what about evangelicals just using the methodology the familiar spirit gave to Bill Wilson? Simple again: God condemns the source, and the approach is contrary to the way He wants to transform our lives. Furthermore, why turn to such a spiritually toxic system? Where are the evangelical pastors’ heads in this?”

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  8. I think they have lost sight of the power of the Word of God to deliver and set people free. They are busy telling people that God loves them and that God’s grace is sufficient for them. They no longer want to do the hard part themselves, which involves digging into the Word of God and coming up with concrete steps that a person who is in bondage to something like crack or heroin {or for that matter, anything) needs to take to get free. It is as if they really don’t know how to help them. If they are afraid to talk about sin, which they are, they will never be able to effectively address the effects of sin and the solution to sin. Additionally, they are happy to send them to a meeting where someone else can baby sit them and hopefully help them instead of expecting them to come up with an answer in a Sunday morning service. The irony of that is that the solution to any sin is the same and the place to find freedom is under the teaching and preaching of our Pastors. It is a crying shame, they do not want to talk about sin. I mean, why did Jesus even come? To save us and love us? I thought it was to save us and set us free so we could do the work of the ministry, reconciling others to Christ. But we are in the last days and Pastors are more into tickling ears, which will never set a person free.

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    • I spent a lot of time in 2 Peter 2, which addresses false prophets, but mainly the point here –
      19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

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  9. PS I agree with you that it isn’t right for a Christian to say with words that they continue to be an alcoholic, and or once an alcoholic, always one.

    This is against what is in the bible, for a Christian to say.
    Someone not born again or not knowing the scriptures well will not understand this, though.

    AA has a system where the people say this, and are required to say it, to remind themselves that they cannot drink, not now and not in future either.
    They remind themselves that alcohol wasn’t the main culprit, and that they need the program, to do the steps, to keep their lives ordered and on-track.
    This is because they are addressing their inside issues, which the steps address, and realizing that they need to address themselves and deal with themselves in order to grow and go forward in life.

    I think Christians need their own AA where they can confess that they were
    an addict, and confess what Christ has done for them, and call themselves by what God calls them. (all the while continuing to completely avoid the substance and continuing with the steps, which are very healthy, and beneficial)

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