Who the Son Sets Free, A Testimony

The following story is a powerful testimony to the power of God in the life of a now ex-addict.

The early meetings that  AA sprung out of, I believe, were truly Biblical.  These groups of believers were called The Oxford Group. But as time (and actually it didn’t take very long) went on the truths that were taught in the beginning began to get watered down. There was much controversy in the ranks and now AA is a Monster.

I think things that end up in error, do not always start out that way.  Nevertheless, AA is not the Word and it cannot do for someone what the Word and Jesus can do.  It is not the place for Christians who are seeking help. It will just confuse their faith and walk with the Lord.  And I would agree that those that attend are condoning error and perhaps even causing their brothers to stumble, even if they say they do not go along with all of it. I taught a Christ based recovery meeting for several years and taught that addictions were strongholds and sin. I, myself grew up in an alcoholic home.

At age 30 went into a secular treatment program where they used the twelve steps.  During the 30-day stay there, they walked you through the first 5 steps.  I had just gotten saved and the light went on that I was an alcoholic prescription pill addict.  Those five steps seemed to lay out for me what I needed to do to get free.  I wanted to be free and it was obvious to me many there did not.  And I have to say that those that did not want it for the large part had no clue who God was and really were not interested in finding out.  I never had another drink or another Valium after my stay. That was in 1981.

The unfortunate thing about AA is they tell people that if they don’t stay in the flow of AA they will go back to using. So I went to meetings very frequently the first few months until someone invited me to a Church that was preaching the Word and teaching the believer who they are in Christ.

I was learning I was a new creation in Christ, old things had passed away and all things were made new (2 Corinthians 5:17).  I was learning to reckon myself dead to sin and alive unto God (Romans 6:11). I was learning that I could and needed to put off the old man and put on the new man that was created in righteousness and true holiness (Ephesians 4:20-24). It was music to my ears.

The Word of God truly became my medicine. It was life to me and health to all my body (Proverbs 4:22).  I began to realize that it was truly the Word of God and it would never be AA that would keep me sober. It was the treasure hidden in the field that I would make my priority to find and keep.

Those are the things that I would bring to the attention of those seeking recovery and freedom from addiction.  Many Christians now, and in the past, have been warped by the teachings of AA.

We can point them back to the Word of God.  I challenge them, why would God send many of his servants, many who had been addicted to various things at one time, overseas where there were no AA meetings to attend if they were ” going to relapse if they neglected their meetings? ” He wouldn’t because it is not AA meetings that can keep a Christian free.  True freedom is found in trusting in Him and living through, and abiding in His Word.

I disagreed strongly with the Christian Recovery Groups that encouraged the people to also attend AA and most do.  My heart was to show them their real need was to get into bible studies and the like and if they would stay in the flow of that they would stay sober.

By the way, in treatment I got delivered from alcohol and drug addiction but I was also bulimic. I was afraid to tell the treatment program that I was!  That was the biggy for me. I could learn to say to the drink or the pill, “No!  I do not have to ingest you!” for lack of a better word. I could just not touch them.  But I had to eat!  I was addicted to eating and I could not just stop.  I had to learn to eat in moderation. Wow, with drugs you just do not even go there. An addict will never be able to use in moderation.  You just don’t use. But I had to learn to eat in moderation.  That is asking more than enough.

To ask an addict to do in moderation the very thing they crave to do sounds absolutely impossible!  But with the Lord, nothing is impossible!  When I went into treatment I was popping valium, drinking, smoking 2 and 1/2 packs of cigarettes and throwing up sometimes three, four, five times a day! When I got out of treatment, I was still smoking and throwing up but within a few years I was doing neither.

Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.  

John 8:36

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46 thoughts on “Who the Son Sets Free, A Testimony

  1. This brought tears to my eyes, thank you for this testimony. I’m reminded that it’s only thru Jesus Christ that we can be healed, because only He can work in us to will and to do of His good pleasure (Phil.2:13).

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  2. Wow! Thank you for your testimony to God’s ability to save, heal and restore us from all those sins that become strongholds and bring us into bondage. Bulimia was my sin of choice that I was deeply in bondage to for at least 10 years of my life. I was bulimic before there was a name for it. I made the statement many times that I thought it would be easier to be hooked on alcohol or drugs because I could just put it down and never have to touch it again but with food you can’t do that, food is a necessity, you have to eat or you die. Believe me I tried the not touching food thing, but of course that didn’t work and they have a name for that now, it’s called anorexia (bad joke I know but it’s the truth). My life completely revolved around food. The only thing that brought freedom to me was my faith in Jesus Christ. There was no treatment program that could have helped me. The thing that set me free was the working of the Holy Spirit through the Word of God, revealing first the truth about my sin, then revealing to me the truth of my Savior and who I am in Christ. I also had to learn how to eat healthy and in moderation, also called the “fruit of self control”. I made the conscious choice, day by day, moment by moment, to do things God’s way. It was not easy by any means and I slipped and fell many times along the way. But I continued in God’s Word, determined to know His truth. I kept a note book and in it I kept lists of scriptures such as, “this is who God says I am”…”this is what God says about me”…”these are God’s promises to me…my family” etc. My healing came completely by the working of the Holy Spirit through the Word of God working to tear down the lies of the enemy and reveal the truths of the living God. I am so thankful for God’s grace and mercy, I give all praise, honor and glory to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and Him alone!

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  3. (John 8:32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    (Gal 5:22-23) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    (1Co 10:13) There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

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  4. and most important of all:

    1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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  5. I’m not sure about this but I have read several places online that AA started out because the “Big Book” was dictated to the founder by a spirit…..there is some back up of this if you want to look into it. I’m not sure that AA was EVER biblical in basis although that is the myth. I really do not know either way. I think it is quite possible that it started out from a demonic spirit dictating things because Satan can, and often does, present things that look helpful or look good. I am happy for anyone who was helped in AA and often people go to AA and meet Christians there or run into Christians, get into a church and get saved. I am not pro or anti AA or steps but I know it is unbiblical to keep confessing “I am an alcoholic” for years. Yes, I do understand the intention and reasoning behind it. In my own experience, many AA meetings were totally unsupportive of any other problems such as drug problems or other problems. I found Adult Children of Alcoholics meetings to be better insofar as dealing with family and emotional issues. Each person needs to be led of God’s spirit to what is helping him or her. But all of us need discernment to realize that there are many things that are mixed or contain ideas that contradict the Word.

    I have a question……I need help. The doctors prescribed klonopin for me in the hospital after a medical emergancy. I didn’t want to take it but under all the stress and mess I just took it
    and I have been told you need to normally taper off gradually. I am wondering if anyone here knows of times when God can just take you off a benzo at once. I’m trying to taper but it’s really hard for me. I don’t mind not taking it at all but I don’t want to do anything risky or stupid. klonopin is stronger than valium and I think it’s more addictive quicker. I’ve been taking it
    daily since March 2013 as told to, it’s now Nov 2013 and I really want to get off this stuff
    I also need to get off ambien. I don’t know how to taper off……Please pray for me as I
    really want to be off these drugs Please pray I get the help I need. The doctors don’t know anything about tapering and the people online who teach tapering want you to use supplements, which I’m not against using, but can’t use due to medical reasons. I can’t just take any
    supplements right now. They put me on warfarin (blood thinner) and I want to be well and
    off these meds so bad…………..I felt like ending it all today because for over 30 years of my
    life I’ve been forced to take various drugs, I was trying to get off of them when this medical issue occurred…I just want to be well. I study God’s word and I know He healed me but I don’t know how to get off these drugs or when or how and the medical people have done far more harm than any good in my life. They keep pushing new pills and it is like hell. They don’t care what happens to you just want to be right and push more new pills. In fact it it highly likely that
    the medical problems I’ve had are the result of the pills the doctors gave me. This is worse than when I smoked pot or was drinking, that I could stop but this is endless more pills and when you try to go off them you get horrible side effects. I really need help. Thank you.

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    • Joy, there is no shame in taking medication if you need them. I cannot tell you how to wean yourself off, as this can only be done thru the advice of a trusted doctor. If the one treating you is not helping, then find another. I do know that warfarin is a serious med and one that you cannot come off of, unless the doc has evidence you no longer need it.

      Please understand – It is word of faith/health/prosperity teachings, thru LIES which make us think we are without need of doctors, or that God intends for us to be completely healed. If this were true, our healing would happen at the moment of salvation, upon repentance. There is no evidence of this in the word of God. Jesus healed everyone He touched to prove He was the Jewish Messiah. But not everyone who believed in who He was received healing just because of their belief. They did receive salvation and their lives were changed. While my heart goes out to you in your troubles an illness, it is more important to me and for your spiritual benefit that you know the truth in this area. By His stripes we are healed – SPIRITUALLY. There will come a day when God will restore all things and there will be no more sickness or disease, no more death or crying. But that day has not yet come.

      Please, if you need help for depression and suicidal thoughts, get it. This is the enemy speaking to you, and not the Lord. Feel free to chat with us here too.

      (Because I don’t have time to check out the reference you made to the ministry in your comment, I have deleted that section. I don’t want things on my blog that are misleading, and I am not saying it is, I simply don’t have time to research. Thanks for your understanding.)

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      • Hi, thank you to those who have replied and shown concern. I understand that healing is a controversial area in the Body of Christ and we all agree that salvation is far more important than a physical healing or anything else. However, not to be argumentative, I do want to point out that most Christians are not against seeing a doctor. To be fair, all the word of faith ministries I’ve listened to or been in their churches (I’m not saying they are right about everything, I’m only dealing with this one area here)……..ALL of them have never discouraged anyone from seeking any type of medical care or medication, nor do they look down upon you spiritually for doing so. I realize in the past there have been ministries that foolishly taught this……you know, it was either faith or doctor. It was a sin to see a doctor. Fortunately most word of faith groups have recognized the error of this approach although unfortunately there are still a few groups like that. We were taught if it was a child, or another person than yourself and they requested medical care, ALWAYS go to get it.
        My point is this. I am not against medical care, thank God for it. However, medical science itself is not always good. Often it is helpful. But in some cases, it can harm or even kill people. So it’s always best to pray first (if you have time) as to which doctor to go to and pray about what they tell you to do (take a med) if you have time to do so. Obviously in an emergancy you may not have a choice or time to pray.
        I’ve had MANY experiences with medicine in which I was more harmed than heaed. I finally realized that we have serious problems in our medical area, and while I”m thankful for them and lift them up in prayer, it is still true that today in ten years the number of people who will die in hospitals from hospial-inflicted problems (not their illness) would cover the states of Rhode Island, Vermont and North Dakota. These are people who will die from things like infections and mistakes made in the hospitals.

        I hope I got the three states right, I got this from Consumer Reports who did a recent study.

        Also the 4th leading cause of death in the USA today in adults is from prescribed medications taken properly (not misused, not overdoesed, just taken as they should be).

        These figures don’t mean we shouldn’t go to the doctor. However, it is reason to pray before
        you go.

        Now, in the mental health field I don’t have the statistics but there are many people who are more harmed than helped by the medications. This isn’t t he fault of the doctors but the field itself just needs more time and needs wisdom or whatever. Some people are helped by meds and that is powerful.

        However most medications esp psychotropic ones have serious side effects and most of them are actuallly addictive. They may not be physically addictive like heroin is, but they are addictive in the sense that many people experience horrible withdrawal symptoms when and if they need to go off of them. This is not widely known. There have been so many lawsuits and if you search the web you will see so many stories of the the horrible things people have gone through called withdawal. Even the AMA now recognizes this syndrome and has a name for it.

        Also antidepressants are proscribed for so many people, and we now know it makes some
        young people violent. I would not be surprised if some adults are also made violent by them
        (this does not happen to everyone) but they haven’t yet got enough evidence. It does now warn on the label about the youth and violence as a warning.

        Because they don’t know that much about psych meds and they are trying to help people but don’t know all the effects until a long time has passed, we are finding out more side effects all the time.

        Does this mean never go to a doctor or never take a medicine? Of course not

        But I do object to it being presented like it was a cure all solution for everyone. It isnt
        believe me, I know. I have gone to multiple doctors and tried multiple medications so don’t assume that I just need to try another doctor. It isnt that simple.

        Trying a different doctor or medication is a good advice BUT it depends on the person
        and situation, and it isnt a cure all.

        This is something to pray about: perhaps we have been deceived into trusting our
        medical establishment just as people are deceived into believing in evolution.
        In many cases, people could be WORSE off after going to the doctor or taking
        medication, and only God can show them whether to go, or not.

        I am NOT talking about refusing to see a doctor out of spiritual stubbornness or
        fear or macho. I AM talking about the REALITY of these other issues, which
        get ignored or denied.

        I tried to talk to a Christian counselor who kept pushing an antidepressant on me
        as an answer. She had been taught (brainwashed, really) that this was the answer
        to depression. The truth is that antidepressants simply do not help everyone.
        They don’t cure all depression. It depends. And she kept denying that there were
        documented serious side effects and problems with these medications, and
        that some of these side effects are permanent, meaning they last even if you take the person off the drug.

        I advise people to research any medication before taking anything. You would be shocked at the fatal side effects, and other problems which are not discussed.

        These side effects and problems are not rare. They are widespread.

        The problem is these drug companies make tons of money and these drug companies basically fund the psychiatrists and they drive the insurance companies. So we have a situation in which greed is a factor in prescribing medications. Many medications are actually physically addictive.

        So the advice “dont be ashamed to take a med if you need it” doesn’t apply to me.
        I took one for years and it helped me. However it stopped helping me when it
        almost ruined my kidneys suddenly, and they had to reduce it.

        I feel it’s God’ s best for people to be well. If taking a med or seeing a doctor is
        necessary or helps you, go for it. But pray. And I think your overall goal should be if possible to get well and no longer need any doctor or medication.

        And if God wants us sick I think everyone would be sick because all have sinned.
        God doesn’t want anyone to be sick, our sins have already been paid for by Jesus.

        So while I appreciate the sentiment, I hope people will think and pray before they tell
        someone “just go to another doctor, just take a medication” as if either of these
        is a magic solution. They arent and could be fatal to your health.

        Pray pray before going to any doctor, and pray about what they tell you to do. It
        could be very bad and make you worse, or it could be helpful.

        It is God who has the ultimate wisdom. Doctors have some, thank God for that, but
        they aren’t fail proof. God does not guarantee what a doctor does will be failproof
        or even right. He does say to seek Him for wisdom.

        Christians are naive about doctors and medical help. It isn’t all that it’s cracked up
        to be. There are many bad results occurring from standard medical procedures and
        it’s not the fault of the doctors or the medical people, they are doing what they are taught and trained to do, but there is no guarantee it’s correct. Also we have the financial
        motives of the drug companies which are influencing which drugs area approved.
        The tests done for the safety of the new drugs approved are paid for and performed by the same company that is going to profit from it. If that’s not a conflict of interest what is?

        love in jesus

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        • Joy, mostly, I agree with what you have said here. We all need to decide when and if to see a doc, and if/how much meds we need to take. I am thankful because I know there are many things people would right out die from without their help.

          You made the following comment –

          I realize in the past there have been ministries that foolishly taught this……you know, it was either faith or doctor. It was a sin to see a doctor. Fortunately most word of faith groups have recognized the error of this approach although unfortunately there are still a few groups like that

          I don’t know of any WOF teacher who has recanted. Please provide me with information otherwise. WOF has nothing to do with Christianity to begin with, so for any WOF teacher to recant, it would have to be of their entire doctrine.

          Thanks and be well. 🙂

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  6. Reblogged this on My Word Like Fire and commented:
    An awesome testimony about freedom without the twelve step religion on M’kayla’s Korner. I would like to offer one correction. The author writes “The early meetings that AA sprung out of, I believe, were truly Biblical.”

    The author is speaking of the Oxford Group of the 1930s. But here is how Pastor H.A. Ironside warned his flock about the Oxford Group:

    “It appeals to people who reject the inspiration of [the Bible] as well to those who profess to believe it; it appeals to people who deny the Deity of Christ as well as to those who acknowledge it; to those who deny the eternal punishment of sin as well as those who believe in it. Here in our city it is openly endorsed by the Swedenborgians and by leaders of the Unitarians, as well as by a number who belong to orthodox churches. But it is silent about the blood of Christ.”[1] In other words, it was very much a forerunner of Alcoholics Anonymous. And equally deceptive.

    Pastor Ironside also warned about the Oxford Group’s unholy meditation:

    “Each one is urged in the morning to sit down quietly with the mind emptied of every thought, generally with a pencil in hand, waiting for God to say something to them. They wait and wait and wait. Sometimes they tell me nothing happens, at other times the most amazing things come. Tested by the Word of God many of these things are unscriptural. They lay themselves open for demons to communicate their blasphemous thoughts to them.” [2] (Bold mine)

    Endnotes:

    1. http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-Ironside.html

    2. Ibid.

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    • John, you quoted

      “Each one is urged in the morning to sit down quietly with the mind emptied of every thought, generally with a pencil in hand, waiting for God to say something to them…”

      This sounds like what is called automatic writing, used in the occult. It is very dangerous to wait for a “voice” to speak and give guidance, as I well know. Thank you for your comment on this AND Oxford. When I first learned of AA in the early 70’s, it was well known, albeit false, that AA was based on Christianity. This is how so many have been sucked into it’s clutches.

      Blessings. 🙂

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  7. Godlee4Life,

    Yes! And the wonderful thing, is if we will do our part, He will do His. You know there is truly no one else in this world who we can Trust more than our Lord. We just need to learn how to and then do it. We were created for “works” that we should walk in them. He’s is waiting patiently so we can get free, so we can help others get free. He takes all the mess we have made and turns it into good, when we trust and obey Him. Life before Him, was truly a drag, but now it is filled with wonder and excitement, as we see Him work His good pleasure in us and in others!

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      • John posted: “from Fox News: The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city’s first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could”

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  8. Contendingearnestly,

    “Ditto” to all you have said. My struggles and deliverance was exactly as you have said. Through the Word, through God’s promises, through acknowledging “Who I am in Christ,” and through the power of the Holy Spirit, Jesus set me Free!

    What you said about anorexia is really probably true. I believe most bulimics have tried both bulimia and anorexia and that they are both symptoms of the same set of problems. I tried both, and came to the conclusion; I loved food too much to starve myself, so I would eat myself into oblivion and than hate myself for doing that. Then I would purge and hate myself even more for doing that. And the whole time I was arguing and fighting against God, because I didn’t think He made me right, at least not the way I wanted to be made! This was really at the root of the problem, not really food! I hated my body, so I set out to change it my way. I wanted to be thinner so I would do what ever it took to accomplish this.( I would weigh myself ten times a day, Speed on pills, take laxatives, Anything to be thinner and prettier, I thought! It was so self-absorbing) But when I was finally ready to face the truth about my sin, I began to see in the Word, the answers were right there. As I began to think the way God thought, believing what He had to say about things, Satan began to lose his grip on me, and little by little I began to tell my body what to do instead of it telling me what to do. It amazes me that there are even scriptures to deliver a bulimic or anorexic from her bondage.

    For starters, the Bible says, “Thou shall not lie.” I began to realize, my whole life was a lie. I lied about what I ate and how much I ate and when I ate. My weight and the image I was projecting to others was a lie, because it was not true. I had to manipulate it every day for it to be the way I wanted it. Then I read in Proverbs 11:1 that “A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.”

    I also read in Isaiah 45:9, “Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker– An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you doing?’ Or the thing you are making say, ‘He has no hands ‘? As I read these things, conviction came! Then the Lord brought to me the Scriptures that would empower me to Overcome!

    He said I was Fearfully and Wonderfully made. How could I dare say otherwise to my Maker! In 1 Pet 3:3-4, He told us that “our adornment must not be merely external… but let it be the hidden person of the heart.” I had to quit being so self-absorbed and realize that beauty was only skin deep and God and others were looking for my real beauty to come from the inside. As I repented of this sin, He began to show me the way out. I read in 2 Tim 2:4-5 that “ No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier. Also if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules. And as Paul taught us, in 1 Cor. 9:27 “ but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, least that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.”

    As I got free, I began to want God to use me. I wanted my life to count for something good and these scriptures propelled and empowered me in that direction. I wanted one day to be able to comfort others with the same comfort He had comforted me with! Who would have thought, He could make something Beautiful of the mess I had made.

    But He did it. He did it for both of us!

    Praise the Lord! He alone is able, through His Word, to untangle our mess and make something beautiful of our lives. I love that old song, “Something Beautiful, Something Good, All of my confusion, He understood. All I had to offer Him was brokenness and strife, but He made Something Beautiful of my Life.”

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  9. I began my addictions using speed, which helped me lose weight and stay thin. But then as I progressed in my years of Bulimia, (I was bulimic for about 18 years) the strong stuff was harder to get from the doctors and I switched my drugs of choice to alcohol and Valium.

    Anorexia and Bulimia are serious problems today. Many people are in bondage to them and just like drug addiction, they can kill. They both put a tremendous strain on the heart, as well as other parts of the body. While the World calls Anorexia and Bulimia diseases or Psychological disorders or addictions the Bible describes them as sin problems. And sin just leads to more sin and more sin. And the more you do one sin the more of a “strong hold” it gets on you and it is near to impossible to get free without the Lord and the Word of God. The Bible says the Word of God is “ Life to those that find them and Health to all their Body.” The World does not promise a cure, but in Jesus there is a cure!

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  10. I To Mywordlikefire, I really appreciate it that you have taken the time to research this in depth. I would love to read your sources so that I can go back and read what you have discovered. One thing is clear; AA is truly not a place for those who are looking for Godly answers. One of my husband’s friends who had been in AA and who got married and then saved was seeking some advice from his AA sponsor. He shared with him that he was getting convicted about going to a go-go bars with his friends. His sponsor told him, “ Hey, man, next time you want to go, just call me up and we can go together!” Not the Godly advice we need for our marriage and walk with the Lord.

    The most important thing about all this is we see first hand here, that there are so many precious people struggling with these awful drugs that in some ways help us and in other ways want to destroy us. Drug addiction is so insidious. It is important to point our sisters and brothers to the people and places that we know have a solid foundation so they can be built up in their inner man on the principles and truths of the Scriptures. For many people, it is almost as if they need to be put in an incubator, where the music that they hear, and the people that they listen to and the words that they hear and read are their very sustenance. For many, a 24/7 Christian environment, a Residential Drug Recovery Program, is a wonderful lifeline, until they can get a real handle on the tools they need to Overcome. Drug addiction causes so many doubts and so many fears within us and until we can be built up in our Spirit through the things of God and the Word of God, it is an incredibly difficult battle. Until faith comes and God can do his Miraculous work in us, our doubts and fears play havoc on our minds. The more a person can be in a Christian environment, remembering there are some wonderful and very effective Christian Recovery Homes all over the Country, where the Word of God is the priority, the sooner they will grasp the truths that will begin to set them free. Until then, no one can dare suggest a person come off his or her meds without medical guidance. That is the business of the Holy Spirit, as to when and how they are ready to come off the drugs. When they no longer doubt or fear but begin to have faith and trust that the Lord will be with them, and then they will be ready. May the Lord continue to help us help those whose lives are shattered by these addictions.

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  11. To mywordlikefire,

    I am sorry! I see now where you did give the source. Thanks so much and I look forward to reading it a little later after dinner.

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  12. Dear Joy, I can really relate to the emotional rollar coaster you are on. After I was delivered from the drugs and bulimia, years later, I was diagnosed with Fibromyalga, something that they say cannot be cured. After all that I had been through, I came to the place that I told the Lord, I just wanted to be functional. I know many women that are really devastated by this illness and I knew I could not handle living like that. As I sought the Lord over some time, I came to the conclusion that if he wanted to heal me so be it, but I was not going to make myself crazy demanding that. I simply believed Him that I would be “functional.” And that I am and without all the crazy drugs they were giving me in the beginning when I was finally diagonosed. As we get older,( I just turned 65) we are challenged with various medical problems that the Doctors treat with various drugs. But if we will hang in there and keep after him for answers, He will bring them our way. Until I quit asking, “when Lord, when will this ever stop, when will I ever stop, when will you intervene with the healing I need ? When Lord, when? Until I switched my cry to Lord, I don’t know when but I know you are going to help me, that is when peace began to come and my answers began to come. The bottom line is we lose our peace when we ask when or why! The solution as to what I needed to do, was always the same. Years earlier, when I was battling bulimia, I would be in the middle of a bulimic episode not being able to stop myself, but at the same time saying to God, “I know you are going to deliver me from this, thank you , Lord , for delivering me from this. I had to learn to take my thoughts captive and the instant they did not agree with God’s promises, I had to literally switch to what He told me about the matter in His Word and actually verbalize it. He told us to put Him in remembrance of His promises to us and that is what I would do. I would literally remind Him of what He had told me in the Word about my issues which began to build faith into me and drive out the voice of the enemy, giving Him no room to fill me with doubt and fear in my thoughts. When I was younger, I overcame depression and anxiety attacks the same way, by actually thanking God, ahead of time for the answers I was believing Him for.

    You did not say, what your medical problems are, but , as Mkayla said, “ there is no shame in having to deal with all the drugs. But don’t give up when you know in your spirit that there must be another route to take. Keep thanking Him for leading you to the answers you need and the Doctors and individuals who will help you with this. He will lead you to a place you can lie down in green pastures, and find rest for your soul, if you keep trusting Him. He is in the business of making things better and He will for you. It’s his job! Thank you so much for opening up with all this. We will be praying for you.

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  13. Hi Karen,
    Here are some articles about the formation of A.A. and the 12 Steps:
    1. Seances, Spirits, and 12 Steps http://mywordlikefire.com/2008/09/24/seances-spirits-and-12-steps/

    2.How Heretics Shaped Alcoholics Anonymous http://mywordlikefire.com/how-heretics-shaped-alcoholics-anonymous/

    3. Pro-A.A. author Dick B. outraged over Liberal Christian/early A.A. article http://mywordlikefire.com/2012/02/25/pro-a-a-author-dick-b-outraged-over-liberal-christianearly-a-a-article/

    The last article begins with an angry response from an author whose errant “AA/12 Steps Christian roots” books have drawn many into AA.

    The Lord is good!

    John

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  14. Joy, from your last comment I believe you already know what it is that you need. I am not approving it because it is lengthy and argumentative. As I stated at the beginning I am not giving medical advice and my comment to find another doctor was made only to support you in your obvious need for help.

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  15. I have been on staff in alcohol and drug addiction Christian program models for over seventeen years. I still find that many churches naively allow AA to set up in their fellowship halls as if they are on the same par with Boy Scout Troops. If it is at least ‘evangelistic-lite’, and brings good community service marks’ this seems a standard criteria for elder, and deacon board approval in many churches they are serving as overseers.

    Some years ago I was hired as executive director of a Christian recovery program. During my interview with board members, I was told that the ministry had lost it’s Christian moorings, and the aim of the board was to see them restored. I was excited to take on the task. I was even allowed to bring my wife on as administrative assistant. Very soon it was our shock to encounter, not only misuse of grant funds, but also a routine of five AA speaker meetings per week. To shorten a long and arduous accounting, let me say in a number of months my wife and I were given a ultimatum from the board chairman to either embrace the presence of AA in the program model, or offer our resignations. Last we heard the “Christian moorings” still remain lost.

    I concur with our dear sister’s testimony. There are so many “Do it because it feels good” missions and “Jesus and ______” ministries out there, that are not according to Scripture. Paul in his farewell to the Ephiesian elders at Miletus, didn’t say that wolves “may come” to attack the flock, he said, wolves “will come” to attack the flock. Would that more under shepherds, elders, deacons, and any other form of church overseers would listen more attentively to what watchmen on the walls are reporting in our day.

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  16. Thanks for all the info on the blog. I have quite a few questions and would like to know your perspective on things. I am saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. My questions are regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit, can one receive them without it being of the occult?

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    • Absolutely Joe!

      1 Corinthians 12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2 You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

      4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

      We must be aware and careful of who lays hands on us and why. If someone comes with an “impartation” – leave. It’s just as the scripture above sates, AS HE WILLS, and not man.

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  17. I’m with you M’Kayla.

    A God of one’s understanding can be anything. I know because that’s what someone who has been in AA for 20 years told me. There are some good principles there, but without the Prince of Peace anything is but an empty shell.

    God’s blessings…

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  18. Karen, I can relate with just about everything you described, when you detailed your internal (and spiritual) struggle you could have been talking about me. The only difference in our experiences is that I did not do drugs, or alcohol for that matter, food was my drug of choice. The ‘root’ cause of my bulimia seemed to stem from the fear of not being loved or lovable. I was so terrified of not being loved, which manifested itself in the irrational fear that told me that if I ever got fat no one would ever love me. When I looked in the mirror I also saw things that simply were not there (I was convinced my nose was much too big etc.), and I was never ever even close to being overweight. Bulimia is a condition of being absolutely completely self centered, completely self absorbed, however, if anyone who knew me were to describe me to you they would not have described me in that manner. Even though I was completely self absorbed, I, at the same time, thought so little of myself it made me very vulnerable and susceptible to being controlled, manipulated and abused by others simply because of my insatiable need to be loved and accepted.

    Bulimia is certainly a deceptive thing, and a vice centered around deception, meaning, In order to hide/cover up my addiction I deceived, lied, hid things, stole things… sounds pretty similar to drug addiction doesn’t it? To top it off it can be physically devastating, bulimia absolutely can kill you it is a dangerous addiction/ compulsion, I have always felt I have an obsessive, compulsive side that shows up in some curious ways. I also was diagnosed with fibromyalgia many years ago, such a strange and frustrating diagnosis it is.

    The Lord has been so good to me, he provided a way of escape through His word, just as He promises He will. When I look back and remember how dark those days were I am so grateful for the grace and mercy of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am convinced I would be dead by now if He had not rescued me, delivered me, loved me, saved me.

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  19. to contendingearnestly,

    I am so glad I got to read this and see how faithful the Lord is too others. The thing that really sticks out in my mind is that it is so valuable and important to our health that the full council of God Is preached. And in this context I mean not just that God is love and how much He loves us; but, also that He loves us enough to give us a High powered mirror to look in to see our imperfection. If it was not for the scriptures on sin, I would still be lying to myself and justifying all that I did. But when I or another read about all the various sins and the way we sin in the mirror of His Word, the perfect law of liberty, and as we truly see ourselves, the Word is able to do its job. It is sharper than a two edged sword, able to divide what is spirit and what is flesh,{ marrow). Our hearts are deceitfully wicked and if we did not have the truth about sin, we would easily continue in it. I want to be free and I want others to be free. This is one of my biggest “heart burns” with the God is love, love, love groupies. I think it is interesting that the Scripture says God is Holy also. And it is even more interesting to me that the Angels surround the Throne Crying “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord.” They do not cry “Love, Love, Love Is the Lord.” We cannot walk in sin and walk in his Holiness at the same time. Unless someone wants to correct me I think that His Love is a part of His holiness, just as the other fruit of the Spirit are. Above all I think He is Holy. Don’t get me wrong, Scripture has so much to say about His Love, but I believe the Church is missing it by stressing it above His Holiness. God is many things. He is righteous, He is Good, He is worthy, He is all the fruit of the spirit. Who ever said, Love was His greatest attribute? I believe it is Holiness of which all the other fruit are a part . Yes, I want to walk in love towards others as well as be loved and know I am loved by God. But the scripture says in Heb 12:14 Without holiness, no man will see God. ” Bringing it back to addiction, in order for me to walk in Holiness, I need to be able to see my sin, repent of it, and ask God to help me overcome it. If all I hear is that God loves me, I will lie to myself and tell myself I am “ok.” I need both sides of the coin, the loving side and the sin revealing side. And in all actuality, they are both His Love which shows me how to live Holy before Him. God Bless , you, for all your hard work , contending earnestly for the Faith!

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  20. to Chris,

    Many AA’ers joke that the god of your understanding can even be a doorknob. Whatever works is what they preach. They also stress there are many paths to god. I write it with a small g because they are not talking about Our God, the Father, Son , and Holy spirit. And don’t even try to say otherwise in a meeting! AA has already successfully muzzled Christians from “speaking the Word with power.” All it does nowadays is bring confusion and compromise into the lives of those who might really be seeking the Lord.

    1. Romans 1:16- “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.”

    2. James 1:21- “Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.”

    3. Psalms 19:7- “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;”

    I attended a Church recently for a few months, until the Pastor announced that they were going to begin zumba exercise classes” in the Church” each week. I emailed him and asked him to please go online and see what it was all about. Everywhere I have seen it, it is always very provocative to say the least, even at the Y. If not provocative, it really is not Zumba. He thanked me for my concern but told me a young girl in the Church wanted to have a means of reaching her friends for the Lord so they were going to go ahead with it. Needless to say I left. The church is not a place where you should be able to go and do a hula dance in a hula skirt, or the rumba, or now Zumba. The same goes for AA meetings in the Church. They are, and I risk stepping on toes as I say this, anti-Christ activities that have no place in a Church. When I first got saved in the 70’s we relied on the Holy Spirit to do His job of drawing the lost to the Church. After all, He is the one who draws us to Christ We had no doubt he could certainly speak to the heart of a person to get up one morning out of the blue and go to Church. But some man came along thinking he had a better idea. And look at what we have now! AA, Yoga, Eastern Meditation, Zumba, What next!!!

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  21. M’Kayla thanks for the response.
    I just saw a well known deliverance preacher and he suggested that I seek out sozo healing. I’ve been prayed over for deliverance and things have manifested but do not come out. I am TORMENTED and have been since childhood for participation in things I’m not going to post online, some of which have been inherited. I also have an international healing room nearby but haven’t gone to it. On top of that I have asked for and received gifts of the Holy Spirit as I’ve grown in my faith in Jesus Christ who came in the flesh, which only increased the torment. I am in a battle and really don’t see many other options among spiritually asleep Christians. Christians that are aware of the battle have prayed over me and told me it will be a long battle. I know that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is in control. I don’t really understand why it would be wrong for me to seek out sozo healing or the international healing rooms. Aside from your blog, which seems legit, it seems to me that most of the other online critics are cessationists arguing for me to read the Bible and try harder. I do and I fast, I’ve lost dozens of pounds from fasting. And yes, the demons are real, those close to me have recognized when they manifest. I’m at a crossroads and feeling lost. I can’t wait around for a perfect preacher that’s never wrong in his prophetic words or one that never makes a theological mistake. If I have to wait for that Ill be waiting for Christ to return.

    Got any advice? I’d be happy to talk via email.

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    • Joe, I am going to e-mail you. But for the purposes of the blog, you do know I came out of the IAHR and have proved their theology is incorrect. We are not told in the bible we will be healed of everything, we know that are bodies are temporary and waste away. I also don’t believe we are made to have perfect lives, perfect peace. We struggle with a great many things. We are not told to look to the past for memory/event healing, we are told to cling to God. SOZO is taken from “new age” teachings, having nothing to do with Christ and have been brought in as tho they do. Since when does God need help by way of program? I don’t know what you have been through but in Christ we are free and even protected from demonic attack. This freedom does not come from a person or a prophetic word, but only from the Lord God.

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  22. Karen, it is always a great blessing for me simply to know I am not alone, not the only one… for many years I felt very alone, burdened with a lot of shame, and I was sure there was something very, very wrong with me. It is very helpful and brings much hope and encouragement to hear the stories of redemption and healing in the lives of other people.

    And you are so right about the shallowness of people’s faith when the primary attribute of God that they focus on is love, and not the sacrificial, love of a holy God, who is the just judge of all creation, but they twist it into a gushy, mushy, romantic, feel good kind of love that is all about having some kind of emotional ‘experience’, it really sickens me.

    Our hearts are indeed deceitfully wicked. It was not until I honestly saw my wretchedness in contrast with God’s holiness that my journey of true repentance and ultimate healing began. And I know it was only God’s grace by the working of the Holy Spirit through the Word of God that saved me. My desire is to honor and glorify my Lord through my life and the sharing of my testimony of the miracle of His great grace and mercy.

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  23. To Joe, This is just a suggestion. I do not read where you say you have spent a lot of time in the Bible, memorizing scriptures, meditating on what they mean, (meditating the Biblical way by thinking about them with your regular way of thinking about something, and asking the Lord to show you what is in your own thinking that does not agree with the Word of God.) Jesus IS the Word. You gain a relationship with Him through abiding in His Words and allowing them to abide in you, By absorbing yourself in His Words, by giving them priority in your life. Writing various scriptures down about who He says you are IN HIM and all that He has done for you through HIS DEATH, BURIAL. AND RESURECTION, reading them out loud to your self, thanking Him for all those things, By allowing His thoughts, His Words, to become your thoughts and Your Words, by casting down and not entertaining the thoughts that YOU have that do NOT agree with Jesus’ Words and thoughts. This is renewing your mind. And In Romans 12:,1and 2, we see we have to do this in order to be changed, to be transformed.

    Many people are chasing after people who promise them great experiences and on and on but they are just experiences, ones that many times are not even God and most of the time they don’t develop the relationship with Jesus that He wants them to have with Him nor do they necessarily deliver them from things that they battle. You have heard the battleground is in our soul, our mind, will, and emotions. Most of our problems would clear up if we would give most of our time to this process of Mind Renewal, by allowing our thoughts or changing our thoughts to line up or agree with the Word, Jesus’ thoughts. The Bible says “how can two walk together unless they agree. ” We do not really walk with Him the way He wants us to unless we agree with His Word.When our thoughts finally line up with the Lord’s, we have great faith. Until then we are full of doubts and then we become tormented in our soul, in our mind. our will and or emotions. If you would dive into the Word, God would eventually bring more peace and stability to your life. Think about it. Why would He have you run all over the country to get in a certain meeting so you can receive what you need. He is what we need. We are complete in Him. You can get what you need from the Lord by abiding in His Word, Hiding it in your heart! That is when our answers come. That is when we get delivered.

    One last thought, I am sure M’kayla will give you scripture to prove to you that sozo healing is not of God. Then it is up to you whether or not you will agree with those scriptures or not. If not you are just fighting against God and it is just becomes harder for you to receive what you are praying for from Him.

    I am not a cessationist (by that I guess you mean that tongues and the gifts are no longer for today) and I would tell you to get into the Word more. They are not the only ones who would suggest that. The gifts are never God’s main avenue to deliver and heal. The Word of God is. And if He is wanting you to get more into the Word, the other will not work for you. He has His way of getting His Way. It just might be that people are telling you exactly what God wants you to do but you don’t want to do it. It is not an easy fix and it takes work but you end up with a much stronger relationship with the Lord and so much more faith. I’d say QUIT “trying anything harder” but get into the Word. He said, “If you love me, you will love my Word.” Not many people today really love His Word. They love all these other experiences but not His Word. And many of them are weak and easily deceived because of it. And something else, those who offer these false ways of healing and deliverance are out to make a name for themselves and heap people around themselves as much as those falling for them go all over the country side heaping to themselves these same wolves who just tickle their ears and worse than that, lead them into heresy and things that God says are an abomination to Him. I would take what M’kayla says to you about this very seriously. And know that God will help you through His Word. Once you know who you are in Christ and what He has done for you, you can put the devil in His place. The demons that torment you will tell the next tormented soul, “Jesus I know and Paul I know and Joe I know, but who do you think you are.” We can get to the place where the devil can not longer have a field day with us, but we have to know the Word as well as walk in it. Satan was disarmed at the Cross. But if we don’t know it or walk in faith concerning it, he can have a field day with us. And it comes to the place in all our lives where we have to learn to get him off our backs ourselves. Not by going here there and every where and getting prayer from others. He wants to use you and me and others, to teach others who are going through similar battles how to overcome the difficulties. We can’t if we don’t know the Word.

    I hope I do not sound harsh. It is just not complicated. He sent His Word to heal us. Proverbs 4:22 says, “His Words are LIFE to those that Find them, and HEALTH to all their body.” I challenge you to ask God what He means by “Finding them.” Our healing and our deliverance is in understanding that.

    God Bless, Karen

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  24. to contendingearnestly’
    What a beautiful, powerful testimony you have. You are His miracle! When others may have said, “she will never amount to much,” He knew otherwise! You are His Workmanship, whom He delights in showing off to the World, that they might see His Love and His Power and His Glory. Today, Thanksgiving, we are so blessed to Know Christ. James 1:17 – Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” He is Worthy to be praised!

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  25. Being a recovering alcoholic that has stayed sober so far with the support AA meetings can bring, I have to politely disagree with some of this. God is first and center of every meeting I’ve been to but the “higher power” is helpful to the lost souls that have not had that first spiritual moment with God. They haven’t ever gotten to know, without any doubt, that He is with us and will always be. We pray, and share honestly about what has been making our minds so distorted and learn from eachother. Aside from the occasional fake person… we grow closer to God there. Love God and love others is so much simpler when I get that crutch out of my way and know that I’m not the only one who has felt this way but I can move past it with the Lord and caring people. Just wanted to share my experience and that I KNOW the Lord brought me there.

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    • Laura, God gives us the choice to make our own decisions. I am glad you found the help you needed. You have now been shown the truth and it is up to you to decide which way you want to go with it. Our God is not “higher power”. He is the almighty, creator, father who came to earth in the form of a man to suffer and die for us. He deserves much more respect than what He is given at 12 step meetings.

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  26. Hi, Laura, I am glad you are doing so well. I am not real clear on one thing though. If you don’t mind, could you tell me if you believe there are other paths to the Lord? By that I mean do you believe that a Muslim or a Buddist or someone other than a Christian will be in heaven or in the presence of the Lord , if they have lived a good life or at least came to a place where they lived to please the one they worship?

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  27. To Laura, my problem with AA is that we are our Brother’s Keeper. Jesus desires not only that we help people emotionally and physically with their problems but also spiritually. The scriptures also teach us that we are not to do anything to cause our Brother to stumble. So, if as a Christian, I know something to be true according to the Word of God and I don’t warn my Brother of Danger or maybe I even sit back and say nothing when he is presented with the LIE that there are other paths to God , I could very well be causing my Brother to stumble. Now granted, there is the time and place to share the truth that Jesus is the Only Way to Heaven but to sit in meeting after meeting after meeting in groups that “pride themselves” that AA is a “spiritual program” and listen over and over again to the LIE that their “higher power” can be anything they want it to be if it works, is an affront to Jesus and basically cowardly and that is putting it mildly. Right now there is a “Falling Away from the Faith” taking place all over the World. Christians are taking the easy way out, the way of least resistance, less suffering, less persecution, and bowing down to the tricks of Satan, who wants us to agree, making no waves about it, that “whatever someone else believes about God is fine if it works for them.” AA was probably one of the more well known organizations that first began to put pressure on Christians to tolerate other paths to God. If you stay in AA your Faith In Jesus as the Only Way will be muffled if not silenced. That is not what we were called to do. The Bible is clear. Drunkeness is sin. It is not a disease. In the King James Bible 1Cor 6:10 says,”…Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. God is not so unmerciful that He would actually send someone to hell, and not let them enter the Kingdom of God over a disease. Either we believe the bible or we don’t . And if we don’t than we are fooling ourselves into thinking we are walking with God. God asks the question. “How can two walk together unless they agree?” The answer is we can’t. We need to stand up for the Lord. And I know it is not tolerated in AA meetings to tell the truth about Jesus. We are commanded to take the Gospel to the ends of the Earth. AA won’t allow it. Christians like to play dodge ball with this. They like to dodge the truth and pretend that when people talk about God or the Lord they are talking about Our Jesus. If we truly cared about them we wouldn’t be satisfied to help them get sober without knowing that Jesus is God. And we would take the time to make the distinction that just because someone says God, doesn’t mean they are talking about God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    We like to think that it is only when we DO something wrong that we sin. But actually when we FAIL TO DO the right thing, we also sin. I do not believe you can attend AA over and over and over again and tell the truth about Jesus and continue to be welcome there.

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  29. I just found your site. Some wonderful testimonies. I was brought up in a Christian home but wanted to do things my way, not God’s way. I thought when he changed me to be more like Him, I’d be bored – I wouldn’t like it. Besides, I wanted to get loaded to have ‘fun’. Started with whites, crank, to speed. Started drinking in high school. Took mom’s pain pills and barbiturates. After about 20 years I’d lost everything and was pretty sick. That’s where worldly fun got me That was when I turned to Jesus Christ. I was contrite – finally. I meant it this time. And things happened rather quickly. I was in a detox and then treatment center. All AA and NA stuff. When they talked of your “higher power” I always had Jesus Christ. No question about it. I look back and I am so grateful that I didn’t turn to follow the new age christ they followed. At the detox center is where I was started on antidepressants and Neurontin for anxiety. I was pretty messed up. They thought I was bipolar. I was just insane from using. I saw the doorknob at an AA convention. They had it encased in a glass case. The door knob that you could use as your higher power if you didn’t have one. They also said use the group as your higher power. I went off the meds after about a year when I got pregnant. I worried the doctors when I wouldn’t go back on them after the baby was born. I didn’t need them any more. Jesus Christ had been working in me, changing me. What freedom! It’s been 12 years since I’ve been off the meds. Which is not for everyone – sometimes you need meds. I have the peace and contentment I always looked for in chemicals. People comment on how peaceful and calm I am. Don’t get me wrong, I can get anxious, worried and everything else, but for the most part, the anger, depression, anxiety, etc. is gone. Because I gave it all to Jesus. I want to do His will now, not mine. I didn’t start reading the Bible faithfully until a few years ago and then I really started to see things differently. I truly feel like a stranger, foreigner on this earth. My husband said he didn’t know I was going to change like this. But he still loves me, he says. 🙂 He isn’t saved and it’s hard to be around his partying friends watching them get wasted and the course language. At least it doesn’t happen too often. Thankfully my husband just drinks a beer or two and that’s it. The wonderful thing is I do not want to get loaded. It does not tempt me at all. Shortly after being in detox I noticed that the obsession had left me. I thought I’d die an addict because I had to have something in my system 24 hours a day. What a miracle. I tried to take my husband’s pain pills about 7 years ago to get a buzz and it only made me sick. I tried this about 10 or so times – taking a half, talking a quarter …. so silly – and then the last time I got the worse anxiety attack and then I knew the Lord was keeping me from getting high. I haven’t tried to do that again. I have watched people I knew in the program all go back to using. None of them trusted in Jesus as their savior. One friend is back in rehab. Her AA sponsor told her to try marijuana. I tried to talk to a friend in the program about Jesus – they did not appreciate it. She’s a new ager who believes in what makes her heart happy. They do not believe in Satan as we are all on loan from heaven. Their answers are to be found within. On your own power. Thank you Lord I do not have to do it on my own power anymore. Oh I have so much to grateful for. I do not deserve to have such a wonderful life now. We are not rich, we don’t live in the best area, but God is so good.
    I was also diagnosed with fibromyalgia. The aching, pains, and fatigue is not too unbearable right now, for the most part, which I am very grateful for. My mom suffered with the same thing with arthritis and was in chronic pain. I can only pray I don’t get that bad.

    I’m glad people are talking about the new age roots of AA and NA. I have read Word Like Fire’s website and think it’s full of great information. Their higher power is not the God of the bible. The do not talk about Jesus Christ. When I talked about Jesus I just got funny looks or people mad at me.

    Thanks for letting me say my two cents. I tried to keep it short!

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  30. Wow, Barbara! What a powerful and wonderful testimony of the Grace of God. The Bible teaches that we are saved by Grace through Faith! Col 2:6 says, “As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him.” We each received Him by Faith and we are to continue to walk in Him by Faith. Faith and Obedience are the avenues that God has designed us to walk in so we can receive the blessings that He has in store for us. And like you, I balked at the idea of getting off drugs and then having to take more drugs to cope. It just did not seem to be the fullness of what God had for me. So I believed Him specifically for more than just getting off the drugs and He was faithful to answer my prayer. We each were given a measure of faith and as we use it, we grow from one level of faith to another level of faith, “from faith to faith”, as we trust and obey Him.

    When I went into one of the first 28-day treatments in 1981, we were all told at Orientation that most of us would go through cyclical periods of depression, for the first few months and years, as we came off the drugs; but that eventually the cycles would stop all together. Also upon arrival, the Hospital had a method of separating those of us who truly were suffering from Psychiatric problems vs. drug addictions and put us on separate floors. They then told those of us with addictions that most of us had previously been diagnosed with some form of psychiatric problems, but that as we continued in our recovery from drug addiction, those psychiatric symptoms would clear up and go away also, that drug addiction was known to mimic many psychiatric disorders. That was very good news to me because, I had begun doing “prescription diet pills” at age 15. I loved the high, the energy, and the self-assurance they gave me; but I got scared I might get busted when I heard the Doctor, who was giving them out so freely, got busted. I never went back for another prescription but then immediately changed my drug of choice to valium, as the anxiety attacks started as soon as I got off the diet pills. And believe me, I liked the way they made me feel too. (So many times the feeling we get far outweighs the need for many of the prescription pills. That is what is so insidious about addiction to prescription pills.) On top of the pills, I drank and basically did it all to get high and to feel good. (The diet pills they gave out were powerful and they did not know how addictive they were at first. I was told the Obedrin LA that I took back then were called “speckled birds” on the street, and that they were strong like” black beauties.”)

    Now that I had just gotten saved a year before and was coming to grips with my addiction, I dreaded the thought of getting clean and having to suffer from even “cyclical anxiety and depression that would eventually clear up.” So I decided then and there to believe God to deliver me from both , so that I would not have to go through them as I recovered. That was 33 years ago and I have not had a moment of depression, the anxiety attacks stopped and I have not had a drink or a pill to calm my nerves or get high on since. All through the power and grace of God.

    But my point is that I “asked Him and believed Him to do it AND HE DID! You are so right that none of us can muster up “faith” for another person, but we can indirectly encourage each other to have faith and believe Him for the impossible , especially through our Testimonies. Just like you indicated, they have to be the ones to decide what they can believe God for, but as they believe, He is faithful to answer their prayers. That is why your testimony is so powerful. It is an encouragement and picture of what God will do for others because He is no respecter of persons!

    One other thing, God has been in the business of treating and “curing” drug addiction for over 2000 years and I am sure that His success rates far surpass any numbers AA could give, even today. But when the secular world decided to get so involved in the big business of treatment for drug addiction, the medical profession believed as I was told, that most depression and psychiatric problems due to the drugs would eventually clear up. They are not told that today and so many that I talk to , tell me they or the person they know, who is getting off the drugs, has been diagnosed with Bi-polar disorder and led to believe they will have to be on meds for the rest of their lives. What a shame, when with God, all things are possible!

    That is why I love your testimony! It encourages others while it declares the Power of God and the Freedom we can have, if we will just believe and obey Him. “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall me added to unto you.”

    God bless you , Barbara, as you continue to bless others with your Life and Testimony!

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  31. I glanced up at the previous posts and would also like to clarify, that I am not a WOF follower. I was but no more. I agree, they make people feel as if they have NO faith if they cannot get off the medication when they come for prayer. I believe that is nonsense and dangerous. We can indirectly encourage people with our lives and testimony, but we should not put pressure on them to throw away their medications because we did or because we think it is a good idea. They have to come into a place of believing God for that and the truth is 1) they may never or 2) they might as time goes on . The other thing that happens in the WOF movement is that when suffering people can not seem to get on the WOF “band wagon”( as I call it) to believe God for the things the WOF’ers are praying for them to receive, than they are looked down upon and discarded or sort of left behind as, “weaklings in the faith.” That is so cruel and unloving. I had a Pastor who was in the WOF movement and he went to pray for someone who was sick in the Hospital. He went in, said his Hellos, and then prayed what he thought was a “powerful and right-on ” prayer for the person to be healed. As he left, happy with his delivery, the Lord spoke to Him in a still soft voice and sarcastically said, “Boy that was great!” Startled by the apparent scarcaim, the Lord then said, “so, you prayed a prayer for him but couldn’t stay and encourage him and comfort him in his condition? ” He began to realize the lack of love and the arrogance in the Faith Movement and eventually the Lord brought him out of it. For many reasons similar to that, I too came out. But we still have that wonderful fruit of the spirit called Faith that helps us so much in so many ways in our Christian walk.

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