Paul and the Third Heaven

2nd Corinthians 12:

1Boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. 5On behalf of such a man I will boast; but on my own behalf I will not boast, except in regard to my weaknesses. 6For if I do wish to boast I will not be foolish, for I will be speaking the truth; but I refrain from this, so that no one will credit me with more than he sees in me or hears from me.

 

If we were to carefully read these words we would come to an easy conclusion that Paul did not speak of things seen in this vision. He did not go on to boast of his great gift, nor that he had the power to manifest such a gift in others by the laying on of hands. He would not be allowed that credit.

Do you see that?

There are so many people today who would have us believe otherwise. And to our shame, such things are allowed to go on. They are believed. They are sought-after. And those who teach such things contrary to scripture are considered prophets. How can a prophet of God speak against the word of God?

 

out of the fire –

A Dangerous Journey

At the beginning of 2010 I decided I wanted to get involved in a more passionate “Christianity”. I have always thought of myself as a worshipper & I craved being around others who lived & breathed worshipping the Lord.

Our church had been *pushing* & wanting revival to break out. So naturally I went home one day and decided to research about what “revival” actually was and how we could get it!  Through my discoveries I found out about The Welsh Revival, Charles Finney and others.

I wanted *revival* to break out in our church. The more I read about the “amazing” things that happened in Wales, the more I wanted that to happen to us.

This is a four-part testimony of a fellow blogger who the Lord delivered from what she calls “extreme Pentecostalism”.  Please go to Inerrant Word to read her story.

These are moments of rejoicing as we see the Lord pulls another out of the fire of false teaching and the grip of the demonic spirit.

Thank you Lord God for your faithfulness toward your own.

The Global Revival is here whether we like it or not

Another great article from Kathleen exposing the dangers of the false prophetic movement, aka the Global Revival. (Don’t the words Global Revival just sound creepy???)

Let’s look at the teachings of scripture vs. the teaching in this revival.

2Timothy 4.1-4 says: I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers  in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Now instead of heeding this warning, many of these ministers including Bill Johnson of Bethel, Mike Bickle of IHOP, Patricia King of the Extreme Prophetic, Rick Joyner of Morningstar Ministries, are not teaching young believers to learn scripture and learn to rightfully divide the Word of Truth. They teach them that it is more important to experience “God’s love” and to listen to what he is “saying today.” They are taught to listen for prophetic words spoken to them by trained prophets. To listen to those who have been trained to be “led by the spirit.” They teach that people who have been trained in the supernatural are now able to be led by a new spirit. A spirit that is so new and so different that no one has a written guide book for this new thing God is doing. Those who are acting upon this new revelation are the “Radical glory forerunners”.

Don’t be fooled – Continue reading the truth….

The Global Revival

Let’s Pray

I’ve been reading around some and found that Mike Bickle from IHOP was to give  a prophetic word (I think tonight) at Rick Joyner’s church, Morningstar.  This is also the hang out of Todd Bentley, you know, the infamous Florida Outpouring nut whose claim to healing ministry is to kick, hit and assault his victims WWE style. I saw his twitter (iamtoddbentley) earlier that “something” is happening, revival, etc., the usual blurb.  I see on the Morningstar website they are advertising “Outpouring” meetings. So here we are again. And we knew it was coming.

Recently, I listened to a prophetic word at Morningstar given by Cindy Jacobs. She is very militant in her style and this word had some military points. I started to transcribe it, but just couldn’t make myself do it.

So I am thinking of this word, along with Rick Joyner’s prophecy or dream some time back about the bloody war between the gray coats (those who believe in scripture) and the blue coats (those who believe in experience).  Ok, someone else who has a little more Joyner background can probably quote this better than what I just did. I never read his stuff. So, if you know anything more, feel free to comment.

In addition, during the converging of these other rivers…IHOP, Bethel, Toronto, I started to wonder where is Todd Bentley, seeing as he was prophesied as the next wave, joined with Toronto and all these guys stuck by him after his fall.  And then I began to wonder, where is Bob Jones??? He is the main driving prophetic voice behind all of this.  Then I saw tonight  – Morningstar  – there on video giving a prophetic word about breaking off curses!  (More WOF stuff – in which a person speaking negatively about another forms a word curse with the power to do harm. Something like witchcraft. And if the curse is broken off or commanded to go! then the person is free from the curse and it’s harm.)  Never mind that Jesus Christ became the curse for us tho. Not for these guys, they have to do it their own way.

So here we are.

I am not going to bother with linking videos or going through who says what or why it’s wrong. I will put a couple of links to direct you and leave it at that. However, if you would like to comment on what you see, hear, etc. please do.

One thing, the most important thing is that we pray. These people aren’t coming together for a tea party, even tho there is a mad hatter behind it all. This militant stuff (if you listen to Jacobs you will see the connection) is bothering me more than the rest. This is not the first time I have considered that true Christians may be persecuted by those who claim Christ, but follow the false one.  So many of us have experienced their backlash when we have stood for the truth. We have experienced their “love” which isn’t love at all.

The culmination of all of these groups coming together under the guise of Christianity is precedent over anything before – ever. Many people are excited and revved up about his happening. They see God in this. They see revival. But because of all the false prophecy and teaching, the false signs and wonders, the backgrounds and associations of these leaders – I do not see God there with them. I do not. And, I don’t see this calming down at all from this point forward.  Regardless, we need direction from our Father. We need His protection. These deluded people need to repent and to be restored to holiness, to righteousness. And there is only One who can do that. It will not come from prophetic decrees and declarations. It will not come from angels. We cannot speak this into existence. It will only come when the veil of deception is ripped off their eyes and they become aware of their own sin. It will only come through the mighty power and presence of our God.  For those of us who have been there, we know what it will take.

Our God is mighty to save! So, please, let’s pray.

Here are your links:

Morningstar Website

Prophetic Words (Bob Jones, Cindy Jacobs)

Fresh Fire Ministries – Todd Bentley

Bob Jones The Coming Years

Sharnael Wolverton and Bob Jones and his prophetic insight from the 1950’s to 2040. (video follows)

Bob Jones claims God showed him these things about the past church and how it would be in the years to come.  Notice the transformation in increments over a period of time – how the church will attain the highest level of spirituality eventually. This has nothing to do with the true power of Christ and how He works in the lives and hearts of those who call Him Lord.

The 1950’s revealed the power of God

The 1960’s revealed the Spirit of God

The 1970’s revealed the Word of God, inspired teachers with new understanding

The 1980’s revealed the prophets of God (probably refers to the false Kansas City Prophets)

The 1990’s revealed the government of God

The 2000’s revealed the glory of God through gold flakes, gold teeth, etc.

The 2010’s  will reveal the faith OF God, different from faith IN God as He will be in the spoken word.

The 2020’s will reveal the rest of God and He will rest in us.

The 2030’s will reveal the family of God, a real unity

The 2040’s the coming forth of the kingdom of sons of God who will possess a likeness of the Son of God with power over death, the weather, everything. There will come a season when death will have no part, a generation that will not know death, they will not be afraid. If their life is taken they will have the power to resurrect it.

Doesn’t this prophecy make you wonder what in the world Christians have been doing all the years prior to this time frame? I guess they just had it all wrong and God was not moving or revealing the true truth until the 50’s.

Where is any of this in the bible? Manifest Sons of God at it’s peak!  FALSE FALSE FALSE Only God has the power over life and death. If you research any of those names Bob gives, Allen, Coe, Branham you will find they were not true to the Lord and God would never endorse those who led others astray.  In fact, I’m not so sure that God would even call out the names of men because it it NEVER about us, it is always about HIM – JESUS!

Remember, Bob Jones one of the original Kansas City Prophets and is known as a seer prophet, whose prophetic gift and supernatural abilities and experiences far surpass all others. He has a profound influence over many throughout the past, which continues today without question – a few are Patricia King, Todd Bentley, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle, those who are building kingdoms…

Genesis 3:4-5 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

Thus Bob Jones is a false prophet!

Acts 1:9-11 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner. See also Luke 25:51, John 20:12

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

There are many warnings in the new testament against false prophets and teachers who bring a different gospel, a different Jesus. These will be judged for their lies and we are to have nothing to do with them! See 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 4:3-5, 2 Timothy 2:15-18, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, 2 John 8-11, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.