Pondering Revelation 17:9

Ok. So I’m reading Revelation 17 and when I came on verse 9 I was struck with a strange connection in the wording, wondering if there is indeed a connection to have a closer look at. See what you think here –

Rev. 17:9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Seven mountains.

Remember now, Chuck Pierce, C Peter Wagner, Lance Wallnau, Bill Johnson, Cal Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, Dutch Sheets and gads more support this idea via thier claim of  a prophetic word of the seven mountains of influence in which “believers” are to take over society using their “god-given” gifts in these seven areas – Government, Business, Education, Media, Family, Religion, Entertainment. Guess they didn’t read that part in the bible when Jesus stated His kingdom is NOT of this world, huh? But then again, these people of the NAR who are false prophets and false teachers don’t really read the bible, do they? But they sure can coax a crowd to their gatherings. Tickling messages.

I’ve often wondered what will happen when those of us who oppose these false teachers, clinging to the word of God for our truth rather than their bizarre claims of knowledge and supernatural experiences. I think it is worth taking some time to consider that those of the NAR who claim all these crazy things will indeed be the ones to persecute those of the true faith. Heaven help them -really- because the end result of them will be worse than anything they can conjure toward us.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.”

So could it be that the “seven mountains of influence” delusion was actually foretold in Revelation 17:9?

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Seven Mountains

The background image for Global Harvest Ministries under C. Peter Wagner, Doris Wagner and Chuck Pierce. The image is the “seven mountains” representing the seven major areas of influence in society: religion, family, education, government, media, entertainment, and business shown symbolically at the foot of the mountain of what I guess they must consider to be Mt. Sinai.

This signifies what they consider to be their call  – to take the influence, power and authority of their “god” into all areas of society, transforming every person into a Utopian society. This will either bring the second coming of Jesus, since He cannot return until we shape up and get it done, or some teach the believer will actually embody Christ and there will not even be a second coming. I have found this same teachings on the seven mountains from Cal Pierce, International Association of Healing Rooms and from Bill Johnson, Bethel.

If you listen to the prophet, Chuck Pierce, who many follow to the letter, you will not hear a mention of Jesus Christ or of the gospel. It is all about the battle, the land, the fire, the sound, a new season or a new beginning, weird symbolism (just look at the stuff on their stages, or “altars”), and numerology. He really likes the numbers on the Hebrew calendar and gets his symbolism for the year according to its numbers. Some attribute his stuff to Kabballah, which is a mystical form of Judaism.

Below are a couple of videos taken from his website. I have listened to him for a few years. In the beginning I could not understand him, and attributed that to his great wisdom. He had it, I did not. But I have listened and watched him off and on this past year as I’ve done the research. His messages or what he calls “prophesies” are becoming more strange all the time. Is no one testing this man?

Lots of fire. They like it, their god likes it. A five year old could make the connection why exactly!

I don’t think they are even listening to this man spew his weirdness.  They are too enthralled or blessed that their god would grant them the opportunity to be in such a gathering before the great one.

See how they raise their hands in worship or in agreement?  Why?  This is really a bad idea, really.

d sheets host presence

This image is taken from an older Dutch Sheets Ministries web page in which he called, or as he tells it, “god” called for his congregation to stop preaching and only “host his presence” for a 90 day period. If you google the phrase “hosting his presence”  you will find quite a few ministries or churches who jumped on this bandwagon in one form or another. So, no gospel, just worship, worship, worship. I thought the Holy Spirit indwelled in the believer. Why would we need to host him? But, here again, is that “tangible presence” so coveted. Dutch is also associated with the Wagners  Chuck Pierce and Cindy Jacobs.

Cindy Jacobs of Generals International is all about society transformation as her tag line on her website states “Achieving Societal Transformation Through Intercession and the Prophetic”. She is very much into intercession and words of what she calls prophecy. It is not about the individual coming to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through the word of God, but the transformation of nations through the false prophetic word of a woman. She is much into the battle literally, the war, taking the gates, standing off the enemy – and – empowering women through her yearly Deborah Company, which is a gathering of elitist women as it is by invitation only. Several years ago I was one of the intercessors involved in her 40 Days of Prayer and Fasting during which I picked up quite a bit of false teaching and impartation. It was where I first heard of the “seer” gift and was told I could have it if I wanted it, just ask. I did. I got what I asked for. Beware people.

These people – C Peter Wagner, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets and Cindy Jacobs form what is known as the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) and there are many who follow along with them. There is much more to their ministries and their deceptive unbiblical practices than I have written here. This is known as Dominion or Kingdom Now as they believe they are taking the dominion over the world to bring the kingdom.

The Expansion Mandate

Oh, the cunning Bill Johnson. There is just something about this man’s demeanor that is quite different from all the rest. He is always so very “laid back” and comfortable.  Here, he too is building a kingdom. Look closely and you can see the outlines of some very strange buildings. Hmm, looks a little like the Arabian Knights to me along with London, America or at least the symbol of America.  And if you look just below the title – Expansion Mandate, you will see the words Hosting His Presence. Below, the  caption – “All He is looking for is people who will rise to the Mandate and say, ‘We will serve the nations we will pour ourselves out for a generation we will never see’ “. So, who is the “He” of this “Mandate” whose presence needs to be hosted?  Not our God, not our Savior Jesus as we are not called to serve the “nations” but to serve God.

He claims that so many are coming from all over the world that there is need for a new sanctuary. I have no doubt. I have seen first hand the force this man has over the masses. The danger of elitism and following the ways of man. Does anyone in Bethel own a bible?

The last I checked he was on the board of the International Association of Healing Rooms which connects him with Cal Pierce and the lie that all saved are healed, the saved should not be sick, etc.  And of course he is one of the three men responsible for the “restoration” of Todd Bentley.

A year and a half ago, I was involved in a healing room ministry in which I became the “intercessor” and later, the Associate Director. It was in my first months I received confirmation of my request to “god” to be a seer.  So, it was just about a year and a half ago I participated in a training which we entitled “Releasing Healings and Miracles Through the Power of  – WHAT – YES – His Presence.  See, on this blog if I snitch on other bad ministries I have to snitch on myself too. I was one of them. I am out now.

Strange how interconnected all of these ministries have become. They hear the same things, say the same things, prophecy and declare the same things and all the while they believe that they are hearing from God. Or at least those of us who are still “little people” believe that. I think there comes a time when God is going to completely fade out of it all together. The ministry will still stand as I believe they are the platform of the anti-Christ rising right out of the church.

If you find yourself aligned with these ministries, or many that have patterned themselves in the same way, if you believe you are building a kingdom here on earth for transformation, if you find yourself following after words of prophets that have no base in scripture or Jesus Christ, if you find yourself taken in by the sounds or colors of the season or numerology or if your worship of God has become all about you, what you get out of it, how and what you feel or experience- –get out. Repent and be restored and Jesus will forgive you of your apostasy and restore you to full salvation. He is faithful and true.

Jesus told Pilate “My kingdom is not of this world” in John 18:36; and in Revelation 22:7,12 and 20  the same Jesus says “I am coming quickly”.  Three times in such a short space He reminds us He is coming quickly! Repent and pray for those who are caught up in this deception!