FIRE! FIRE! Receive? or Run?

There is a good conversation beginning under the post Slain in Whose Spirit?  It is thought-provoking and worth it’s own place on the blog and so I have given it one.

When others call for Fire! Fire! in sermons and in prayer time what exactly are they calling for? These false revivalists love the word fire. Should we run for cover?  What about Fire Tunnels made of two rows of people joined overhead hand in hand creating a tunnel. Others walk through and “receive” fire, impartation and prophetic words from those lined up creating the tunnel…

Below is the conversation. Feel free to join in!

From Ray:

We had an episode in church about six months ago when a visiting Ugandan preacher took the iniative to address the congregation [ impromtu ] and the next thing i heard was ” fire fire” , i knew immediately what this was , and it wasn’t good, but what astounded me the most was the reckless manner in which so many people fell over themselves [ and others ] just to get to the front to grab a piece of this annointing.I singled out one particular person in order to engage their opinion of the mornings events, and the response was well , less than overwhelming. Apparently it was real because it happened!!.Wow , what discernment, never mind that satan is capable of convincing false signs and wonders and that he appears as an angel of light.All things must be discerned by the word, and not by the experience.

From ruthsongs:

This “fire, fire” thing hit a church I used to attend a few years back. The visiting evangelist yelled “fire, fire” most of the “prayer time” night after night. I wasn’t impressed…more like perplexed.

What do you make of John the Baptist saying Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire?

In the context of people “praying” for fire, I understood them to mean something like passion for the Lord/the lost. But it has become a buzz word now. I can only see other scripture referring to fire as something destructive- as in hell’s fire, or actual, physical fire.

From Diane:

I just left a church that is very into the “fire, fire” prayers. I knew the intention of the prayer was for a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and it sometimes bothered me. One, because it felt like begging God for a “feel good” super-spiritual experience, and also because I’d never read in the bible that we should pray for fire. Now that I’m out of that church, the topic of fire in the bible is one of the many things I’m taking a closer look into. I have to say, I agree with your conclusion “I can only see other scripture referring to fire as something destructive- as in hell’s fire, or actual, physical fire”

Just last week I was reading the words of John the Baptist that you’ve quoted, which don’t seem to fit into the “destructive fire” category. When I kept reading, a subsequent verse caught my eye and led me to do a little research. I will try to explain what I’m thinking.

Matthew 3:11-12 (11) I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. (12) His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Now, I always understood the “and with fire” in verse 11 to be more of the Spirit….like pizza with extra cheese. But what if it’s something different? Maybe Jesus baptizes with two different things, and each person will have one (the Holy Spirit) or eventually the other (fire). That’s what verse 12 seems to suggest. These two verses so close together made me wonder if the ideas go together. So I went to blueletterbible.com and did my first word study! I learned that the Greek word for fire in both of these verses is the same, pyr, which is a consuming fire of judgment. So, I’m thinking I’m onto something here. I’m still working on how to articulate it, but this fire doesn’t sound like an attribute of the Holy Spirit to me.

What do you think? Does anyone else have any insight?

Slain in Whose Spirit?

This is a very good video re: Slain in the Spirit that Redeemed Hippie has on her site.

If you or someone you know has experienced this manifestation attributed to the work of the Holy Spirit, you need to be aware of what the bible has to say, or in this case, does not have to say about it.

Watch the youtube video from ppsimmons

Six Simple Questions for Todd Bentley – Bud Press

I came across this today posted on Apprising Ministries. I am putting this up for 2 reasons. The first, it aint over, and the second, and most important is that I really appreciate the way Bud took the time to break out the false claims of Bentley against the truth of the word. I also liked that he did not write out the scriptures he quoted, making it necessary for Bentley to actually crack the bible open and read it for himself. (us too!)

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him whom we must give account.

Having had false visions of Jesus Christ myself, this is most helpful. It scares the you-know-what outta me, maybe literally –hell– and reminds me that I remain a sinner saved by the grace and shed blood of Jesus Christ.  And anytime I’d like to step away and think I’m all that, here’s the reminder I had better not.

All praise and glory to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.

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Six Simple Questions for Todd Bentley

by Bud Press, Director

Christian Research Service

www.christianresearchservice.com

October 22, 2009

Maybe it was just a glitch in Todd Bentley’s computer. Or, maybe Bentley accidentally hit delete instead of post. Or, maybe Bentley actually read the comments and chose to hit delete before his followers had a chance to read them.

Whatever the case may be, stuff disappears, including the following October 19 comments on “The Todd Bentley Blog” at http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog :

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Dear Todd:

On your blog in your “Welcome to the website” page, you state that “The purpose of my blog is to share with you my personal thoughts, feelings, status, revelations, and updates on the ministry and restoration” (“The Todd Bentley Blog” at http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog/?p=3 ).

I would appreciate your sharing your personal thoughts, feelings, status, revelations, and updates on the following six simple questions.

1. Over the years you have claimed multiple visitations from Jesus Christ. However, in Matthew 24:23 & 26, the Jesus of the Bible warned: “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him” and “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.”

Question: In light of what Jesus said and 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, who do you think is right, you or Jesus?

2. On June 7, 2008, you read a “prophetic word” from Wendy Alec publicly to your viewing audience, and said that the “Lord” had spoken to Wendy and that “Jesus Christ” would visit the Lakeland revival “in person” on Sunday, June 8, 2008 ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/WendyAlec1.htm ).

Question: Since the prophecy was a dismal failure, do you feel you should repent and apologize publicly?

3. On page 27 of your January 2008 book, Journey Into The Miraculous, you claim you encountered a giant, muscle-bound “Jesus” during a vision/trance

Question: Does your vision/trance agree or disagree with Isaiah 53:2?

4. On page 67 of your October 2008 book, Kingdom Rising: Making the Kingdom Real in Your Life, you claim that during a mission trip you and your team encountered drug addicts and gangsters while preaching in the ghettos of South Africa ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley13.htm ).

When the gangsters disagreed with you, you state that “I guarantee that if God doesn’t touch you, that I will say that God isn’t real.”

Question: In light of Psalm 10:4, Psalm 14:1, and Psalm 53:1, what are your personal thoughts on your statement?

5. On page 67 of your book, Kingdom Rising: Making the Kingdom Real in

Your Life, you state that “We can preach the Gospel all day long, but that won’t win souls.”

Question: In light of 1 Corinthians 9:19-24, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Timothy 4:1-2, Romans 1:16-17, and Romans 10:14, do you still maintain that “We can preach the Gospel all day long, but that won’t win souls”?

6. Finally, on page 162 of your book, Journey Into The Miraculous, you state that “I thank God for my friendship with Patricia [King], and for how God used her as an instrument to ordain me into the ministry–but I always will know that the call came from God. I’ve since been ordained in Canada by my local church, and through the Christian Minister’s Association. In the U.S., I’m recognized as a minister of the Gospel through World Ministry Fellowship in Texas” ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley12.htm ).

But according to a top official from the Christian Ministers Association (CMA), you were not ordained through the CMA, and have never been a member of that association. Also, as of April 7, 2009, your membership “papers” in the World Ministry Fellowship (WMF) were removed.

Question: Are there any current “revelations” or “updates” about your ordinations you care to share?

Thank you, Todd. I look forward to your reply at your earliest possible convenience.

Sincerely in Christ,

Bud Press, Director

Christian Research Service

Jude 3

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Closing comments…

When anyone claims to have visitations from Jesus Christ, it is important for Christians to read, study, and remember what God’s written word has to say about it (please refer to When Will Jesus Christ Return? ).

Despite the overwhelming Biblical evidence against Todd Bentley’s claims, he still maintains that he,

had a trance like vision where I saw the Lord and he came to me in a very personal way. The Lord was preparing me for a season of visitations. At that time, the purpose of these encounters was not yet revealed to me but that a deep time of intimate revelation would come. [“Met the Lord,” The Todd Bentley Blog, http://tinyurl.com/yhh2ue7 ]

To further demonstrate Bentley’s ignorance of Scripture and inability to properly interpret God’s written word, he encourages his followers to “develop a kingdom now mindset,” then wrongfully teaches that,

You too can visit paradise like Paul, or see angels ascending and descending the heavenly ladder as Jacob did, or be taken by the Spirit into visions of God like Elisha. God says, Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place…(Rev. 4:1). How would you like to see the things the Father is doing; not just glimpse, but see into heaven just as Jesus and John did? [The Reality of the Supernatural World, Product Description, http://tinyurl.com/yjc8qtp ]

In the first place, if Todd Bentley were given the ability to gaze into heaven, he wouldn’t see the Father and what the Father is doing (John 4:24; John 1:18; Luke 24:39). No doubt Todd’s trance-filled treks take him to far out places, but it isn’t the Biblical heaven, heavenly angels, God, or the Father he is seeing.

Furthermore, what Bentley and others like him need to realize is that God is against false prophets and those who boast of false visions:

They see falsehood and lying divination who are saying, The LORD declares, when the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word. Did you not see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you said, The LORD declares, but it is not I who have spoken? Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, Because you have spoken falsehood and seen a lie, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord GOD. So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord GOD (Ezekiel 13:6-9).

Claims of visions and one-on-one encounters with “Jesus Christ” occur more frequently and in greater numbers than ever before. Now is the time for Christians to cling tenaciously to God’s written word and be extra-wary of those who come with “visions of Jesus Christ” on their lips.

But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time

(Acts 3:18-21).

The Biblical Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father in heaven interceding for the believer (Romans 8:33-34).

Concerning Todd Bentley’s ordination into the Christian Ministers Association (CMA), and membership with the World Ministry Fellowship (WMF), on October 21, 2009, Christian Research Service contacted officials within the CMA and WMF for an update. Again, Todd Bentley was not ordained through the CMA, and has never been a member of that association. Bentley’s membership in the WMF has not been re-instated.

While we at Christian Research Service await Todd Bentley’s reply to the six simple questions, it is important to note that all false teachers have this in common: they want people to forget what they have said in their articles, books, and public teachings.

Sometimes, no reply is an answer in itself.

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When Is Enough Truly Enough?

A Question

When is false teaching and false prophecy allowable? Or is it?  Is it possible for a believer to fall away, losing their salvation because of false teachers? Or is it all allowed because God is one of mercy, love and grace, who will restore them back to Himself in due time?  If there is in fact demonic transference, at what point does this take place? In laying on of hands? In agreement with false teaching? In following after the elitist teachers and not following after the God of our salvation? Or maybe demons don’t have anything to do with what we are seeing today. Maybe it is only of the flesh or foolishness of man, nothing much to be concerned about.

Can I sit under the false teaching, follow the guidance and advice of a false prophet, participate in charismania craziness – changing the atmosphere with my words, speaking things into existence, in fire tunnels, in manifestations, falling to the floor, shaking, buzzing with electricity from an unseen force, giddy with the joy of uncontrollable laughter, or in sorrow for the lost in uncontrollable tears; making trips to the third heaven and other out of body experiences, leaving behind the true teaching of the bible, and one day still walk through the pearly gates?

At what point is enough really enough and time to get out, or can I just stay and have my fun? After all, my leaders say their church is a portal for God’s outpouring and they are anointed and gifted having had revelation of hidden knowledge for such a time as this.  God is doing a new thing! We are under a mandate!  It’s the new wine!  God is powerful; He can do anything and we can’t keep Him in a box because we don’t understand. All these leaders pray in Jesus name and say that He has come in the flesh. So, what’s the harm?

Hmmm….What say you?  What does the word say?  Anyone want to kick this around?

Bob Jones The Coming Years

Sharnael Wolverton and Bob Jones and his prophetic insight from the 1950’s to 2040. (video follows)

Bob Jones claims God showed him these things about the past church and how it would be in the years to come.  Notice the transformation in increments over a period of time – how the church will attain the highest level of spirituality eventually. This has nothing to do with the true power of Christ and how He works in the lives and hearts of those who call Him Lord.

The 1950’s revealed the power of God

The 1960’s revealed the Spirit of God

The 1970’s revealed the Word of God, inspired teachers with new understanding

The 1980’s revealed the prophets of God (probably refers to the false Kansas City Prophets)

The 1990’s revealed the government of God

The 2000’s revealed the glory of God through gold flakes, gold teeth, etc.

The 2010’s  will reveal the faith OF God, different from faith IN God as He will be in the spoken word.

The 2020’s will reveal the rest of God and He will rest in us.

The 2030’s will reveal the family of God, a real unity

The 2040’s the coming forth of the kingdom of sons of God who will possess a likeness of the Son of God with power over death, the weather, everything. There will come a season when death will have no part, a generation that will not know death, they will not be afraid. If their life is taken they will have the power to resurrect it.

Doesn’t this prophecy make you wonder what in the world Christians have been doing all the years prior to this time frame? I guess they just had it all wrong and God was not moving or revealing the true truth until the 50’s.

Where is any of this in the bible? Manifest Sons of God at it’s peak!  FALSE FALSE FALSE Only God has the power over life and death. If you research any of those names Bob gives, Allen, Coe, Branham you will find they were not true to the Lord and God would never endorse those who led others astray.  In fact, I’m not so sure that God would even call out the names of men because it it NEVER about us, it is always about HIM – JESUS!

Remember, Bob Jones one of the original Kansas City Prophets and is known as a seer prophet, whose prophetic gift and supernatural abilities and experiences far surpass all others. He has a profound influence over many throughout the past, which continues today without question – a few are Patricia King, Todd Bentley, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle, those who are building kingdoms…

Genesis 3:4-5 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

Thus Bob Jones is a false prophet!

Acts 1:9-11 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner. See also Luke 25:51, John 20:12

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

There are many warnings in the new testament against false prophets and teachers who bring a different gospel, a different Jesus. These will be judged for their lies and we are to have nothing to do with them! See 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 4:3-5, 2 Timothy 2:15-18, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, 2 John 8-11, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

A Gathering at the Den

I guess we can all relax now as “THE Prophet” has declared that God told him in a prophetic word a curse will be broken in the White House and over America. Whew. I’m glad that’s done, aren’t you? Now we can all go back to enjoying our lives with no worries over America, it’s future and it’s people.  We’re all safe from harm, the curse will be broken – tonight!

How fitting a date for such a false prophet – Halloween – a time of gathering and appeasing the dead.

Haven’t we heard this same drivel before?

My bible says Jesus broke the curse, not some New Age prophet disguised as a man of God. Until people come to repentance – individually – the curse of sin will live on and unfortunately our country’s condition will worsen and worsen. That isn’t the “word” we want to hear, but it is the truth.

Isn’t a den a place where animals live? Well, if you’re real quick you can join him in his.  And remember if you support him financially in the name of a prophet soothsayer, you will be given a prophet’s soothsayer’s reward.

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Beware Man’s Devises

My warning to be careful in what you open yourself up to is a very valid one. And I direct this to the charismatic group as well as the contemplative/emergent one, and any group that will teach “do this” to “experience God”. It is irrelevant that we live in a post modern society or that we have been given so-called “prophetic” words that God is “doing a new thing”, or that we are in some particular “season”.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him being abominable, disobedient and disqualified for every good work.

Our God in unchanging. In all times and seasons He remains the same. We are told to be ready to preach the gospel in season and out and to be watchful in all things – 2 Timothy4:2, 5.

When man devises a way to gain knowledge or have an experience, to attain a level of spirituality or wisdom, etc.  whatever “tag” line is used it is very possible and even probable that a visitation will occur. But make no mistake about this. God is not controlled by man’s devises.  He has already taught us how to experience Him, worship Him and pray to Him in His word.  We have been given all that we need as we are complete in Christ. But if we continue in following man’s devises chances are the visitation, all that power, all that “knowing”, that inner voice is not God at all, but a demon, or as some call a spirit guide. And yes, a borne again Christian can have one!

Colossians 2:8-10  Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

When we agree with the false teaching and engage in false practices we are overcome and taken into bondage.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

I believe it is a path that will lead to a loss of salvation because in following after these teachings and practices we are denying Christ just as surely as we would to deny him with our words. The more I think on this the more clearly I see it.

Whatever the design of worship or meditation or prayer for experiencing God we choose should cause us to love Him more, His people more and His word. It should drive us to know more of Him through His word and His people. It should drive us to live righteous, holy lives, convicting us of our own sin.

2Timothy 3:16-17  All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

If instead we find ourselves driven to the next experience, visitation, that source of power, or inner voice, we have certainly disconnected from Christ. We can no longer call ourselves His followers or disciples because we no longer follow Him.  Our only hope is to repent, ask for forgiveness and to be cleansed and set free, taking authority over the demon, casting him away. And then we must leave whatever institution and teacher that brought us to the place of apostasy. That is the only hope in restoration for regaining salvation. Otherwise we are lost eternally.

Beware man’s devises.

Invisible Friends?

I’ve been intending to do some work on the misguided teachings and ministry of John Paul Jackson. I’ve taken several of his courses and participated in his dream interpretation training. He is quite deceived and one to avoid no matter how many accolades he receives by the charismatics. He is another “one of those” who have very little bible knowledge and loads of so called supernatural experiences. He has a great following who pay him loads of money to learn dream interpretation, numerology and how to have all sorts of supernatural encounters.  He calls himself a Christian and uses the name of Christ in his work, but he is far from a true man of God.

He is one of the original Kansas City Prophets and spent time under the tutelage – if you can call it that –  of John Wimber of the Vineyard, another whose emphasis on the supernatural outweighed the importance of bible study and prayer.

I came on some of his latest teaching, and although I already knew he was in error, I was still shocked at this particular article. You will be too. Why are these maniacs always after the children?

What are invisible friends?

Link here

July 09
by John Paul Jackson

 

Did you have invisible friends when you were a child — playmates only you could see? Concerned parents occasionally approach me about this topic. What are “invisible friends”? Are they dangerous? Is this a sign of a prophetic gift? <<Prophecy is by the will of the Lord, through the Holy Spirit, not through visitation of an entity.>>What should parents do when their children insist these people are real? Though I am not the final authority on the topic, I do have some ideas based on Scripture and personal experience.

<<He is no biblical authority on the topic, and this type of “personal” experience has no basis for truth, so why would anyone believe him!>>

When it comes to their children having invisible friends, many Christian parents assume the worst. It’s a familiar spirit! It’s a spirit guide! That could very well be true, but remember: For every counterfeit, there is an original.<<The bible doesn’t tell us for every counterfeit, there is an original!>> In other words, there is a strong possibility that when children play with invisible friends, they are really seeing and interacting with angels — and often, they are aware of that.  <<Based on what truth?  There are no examples in the bible that tell us children and angels interact together!>>

What do angels look like?

The Bible says that we won’t always be able to tell the difference between humans and angels:

Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.

— Hebrews 13:2

<<I don’t think the point to “entertain” is for children to have tea parties with them.>>

It would be very difficult for us to “unwittingly” entertain angels if they looked like angels. We would know exactly what they were if they were glowing or had six-foot wingspans. Instead, based on this Scripture, we can assume that sometimes, angels look just like you and me. They may appear to us as painters, mathematicians or doctors; they may look African, Irish or Hispanic. They may even look like children. <<NO! There is nothing in the bible that tells us angels can look like children!>>

<<Here goes either a true account of an encounter with demons or a flat out lie.>>

The night Diane and I brought Micah home from the hospital, I was visited by two angels: a 7-year-old girl and a 10-year-old boy. I didn’t immediately understand they were angels, because they were unlike any angels I had seen before. They began to tell me different things about Micah, and I asked them, “How do you know that?”

“Because we’re angels sent from the throne of God,” they replied.

“You’re not angels,” I said. “I know what angels are like. They’re bigger than you. They’re adult-sized. Some of them are really huge, and some of them are really muscular, and some of them are really fast, and you’re not any of that. You’re just a 7-year-old little girl and a 10-year-old little boy.”

<<Curious that Jackson knows their ages 7 & 10 years, which being the king of numerology, probably has some kind of spiritual (occult) significance. I never realized angels had age. How old is Michael,the arch-angel in the bible, John Paul?? >>

“You haven’t seen everything,” they answered.

“What do you mean?”

“Well, you don’t know that many of us choose to take the form of a child when we are assigned to that child. <<Again, where in scripture? This sounds like that “guardian angel” idea.>> Your children talk to us, because we take a form that doesn’t threaten them but allows them to become what God created them to become. <<This is a strange comment, but is he is saying that these so called angels have a place in our children’s growth?>>We’re here to help them, not to prove we’re anything. <<Angels are messengers of  God, so what is the message for the children? When did a child ever have a visit from an angel in the bible? God deals with adults, not children. Of course they can have a relationship with Him, through Jesus as we all can. But, He does not send angels to communicate with our kids!>>Here’s another one of us now!”  <<Oh goody!>>

A little boy approached, and the girl said, “Tell him what’s going on.”

“I was there,” the second boy told me. “I saw them up in the throne room, and I saw God giving them the assignment to watch over your son Micah. What they tell you, you need to do, because I saw God giving them the command.” <<How convenient to have the word of another lying demon to make it look so true!  Yes, angels have spoken to people in the bible. But, why, if we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit would we need to converse or get directions from an angel? This doesn’t work for me!

It is very possible Jackson has these wild encounters, however, there is nothing in this story to prove this is a visitation from angels of the Most High God! Check the word! Angels never appear as children – never. All encounters should be proved by the bible, otherwise they are false, demonic!>>

What should parents do?

As time progresses, I think we will discover again and again that we “haven’t seen everything” yet. <<Yes, because in John Paul Jackson’s world, anything goes!>>In the meantime, if your children are playing with invisible friends, talk to them about it. >>Talk with them? Yes, but PRAY with them and take authority over the enemy because God does not send angels to talk with children! So, if your child has a true imaginary friend, you can be sure in the knowledge that it is not a good thing!>> Find out how they feel when they’re playing with them. Do they feel happy? Peaceful? Scared? <<Not good advice – emotions cannot be trusted and satan  can bring false peace, joy, etc!>>If your children show any hesitancy, rephrase your questions and ask again. In most cases, their answers will reveal to you exactly who sent these invisible playmates.

Remember that in biblical times, it was common knowledge that angels sometimes take the visage of the people they protect; <<When?>>why else would the Christians meeting in Mary’s house have thought it was Peter’s angel at the door (Acts 12:12–15)? >>That’s a long shot! They thought Peter was dead and they were astonished (v16). This does not prove his claims!>>I remember being a child and talking to angels who looked like my friends, but I knew they were angels. <<As a child he knew? How? He didn’t know, he was wrong then and he is wrong now!>>They told me what they were, but I also just knew. Your children will likely “just know” as well.

Be open to the possibility that God is communicating to your children via people, objects or animals (remember Balaam’s donkey) only they can see. <<I had to laugh out loud on this one – Balaam’s donkey??  If God is communicating with your child, He will do it the same way that He communicates with you. >>If you raise your children in the way God has set before them, <<If you raise your children to know the bible for themselves they will be better protected against claims and teachings of false prophets like this man!  On the other hand, if you are under the teaching of John Paul Jackson, don’t be surprised when you children really are visited by these demons. Get away!>>they will see and know things that are humanly impossible for them to see and know. They will be able to interact with Heaven, as God intended all of us to do. They will have eyes to see.  <<We know things through the power and presence of the Holy Spirit through treading and studying the bible and prayer, “mundane” things these false prophets and teachers cannot be bothered with, not experiences in the supernatural.

John Paul Jackson has the mistaken belief that because supernatural occurrences happened to people in the bible they should be happening to all believers and that it is the believer’s “right” to –  as he said – interact with Heaven. God always had a reason for these supernatural experiences to happen. They were done for His purposes, to accomplish His plan, with the focus pointing right back to Him. They were not for the purpose of man, nor at the will of man, nor to bring focus to the man. Angels had nothing of themselves, either. They always reflect God’s message and purpose.

John Paul believes we can have these encounters at our will.  He believes he encounters the same Heaven and the very Throne Room where God resides and goes there to “hang out”. Then, he comes back to earth, so to speak, with these wild stories made into teaching products. Who is to say if his encounters really take place. One thing we can be sure of, they are not of God, and so any visits to a throne room is the wrong throne.

If we were intended to have supernatural experiences, if God truly intended for that to happen, then they would. Man was created to be on earth.

Remember, all prophets, angelic visitations and supernatural experiences should point right back to God. Where do these encounters point to? John Paul Jackson’s son Micah, and the beings, not God.  Big difference!

Another pied piper leading the sheep to hell. >>

Patricia King: The Wine Cellar of Whose Heaven?

I watched a video clip from Patricia King on another blogger’s site this morning.  It was very hard to sit through and listen.  It angered me to the point that I did not know if I should cry for them or scream.  But, I listened several times.  I went with Patricia to the word of God.  I read it with her.  I listened to her explain it back to her “followers”.  I replayed that section several times, listening to hear again and again. And I watched in horror as she claimed in the name of Jesus, the bar is open!

She tells them they can only get this through revelation. Of course, because we certainly can’t get it from the scripture she is using Hebrews 9:24 For Christ has not entered th holy places made with  hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us. She said she does not want to  – unpack it – was that the word she used – unpack?

Very well, I will  unpack it.

This chapter is about the new covenant through Jesus Christ, the remission of sins through His shed blood. But see how she is twisting the meaning to say it is about our ability to enter into heaven?  Where does she get this?  She says the words holy places mean heaven and that we can enter in. This is not what the scripture says at all. The words from the scripture say For Christ has not entered holy places made with hands.  To me holy places made with hands means man-made. There is not even a hint of the meaning of the word heaven in those words.

In case you care, there is nothing here about wine, either.

Then she goes on reading from the next chapter, 10:19 about entering in.  (It took me some time to figure out where she was reading this from as she does not say.) But what does this verse say?  Therefore brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus. But she says nothing about the blood of Jesus, she’s only interested in making her point, to enter in.  Going on she quotes out of verse 22 which says let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.  Again, nothing in context or in true meaning of what is being said here – again about sin. No, Patricia wants her point made – assurance of faith, if you have faith you can do this too!

Nothing she is stating here has any true biblical meaning.  And what do the people do?  They dance and sing for this to come to them, this great revelation, this great vision and experience of the wine room of heaven.  They are so convinced that Patricia King is the anointed one of God that they are willing to throw away their very salvation to experience the same as she!

Blind and be blind!!! It is documented in the bible that Satan twists the words of God to use for his purposes. He did it with Eve and he did it with Jesus. Do you see how she has laid the groundwork for this deception to come on the people?  She made an outrageous claim, used the word of God to back it up, and then brought in the musicians, the dancing, the emotional element!

What a liar she is and how deceived they are to want the wine she is pouring out for them. A wine that does not truly come from the God, the Most High, but from a god of trickery and deceit. The god of true drunkenness and rivalry, one that will surely separate people from God for all eternity to a place where no wine will be found for all time.

What does drunken behavior have to do with the living God? Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. If the fruit of the Spirit is gentleness and self-control how can this possibly be related to this drunkenness of God PK is claiming?  Where is there any self control going on in this crowd?

If you are involved in this, repent, leave these practices and be restored to wholeness in the Lord before it is too late!

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God  underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

It’s Supernatural: “A Prophetic Word From John Kilpatrick’ or not…

YouTube – WSTK-ITV – It’s Supernatural: “A Prophetic Word From John Kilpatrick.

This is a YouTube link to hear Sid Roth of It’s Supernatural talking with John Kilpatrick of the Toronto Blessing. John is giving a testimony of his experiences in the past and a new word from God of a major upcoming earthquake in America.  According to John God gave him instructions on how to prepare for what is coming on the earth and he spells it R.E.S.U.R.R.E.C.T.I.O.N. !!!!  God speaks in acronyms!  I hate to think what is being resurrected! For a small amount of cold hard cash John will be happy to share that information with you.

Hmmm..freely you have received…??  Show me the money!!!

This is how to “discern” the difference in a false prophet and a true one.  It does not take a special anointing, you will not need someone to lay hands on you to “impart” this special power, you will not need a special prayer time.  All it really takes is a trip to your bible.  I can’t think of a single prophet who asked for money in exchange to give the word of God to the people.

Ezekiel 13:3  Thus says the Lord God” “Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!”

Be prepared. I thought this information was very demonic.