Boil, Toil and More Trouble from the NAR

Here are some of the things being said (prophesied and taught) by some NAR members. I continue to be amazed the way they are using tragic earthquakes and tsunamis for their own gain. Remember, to be a Christian is to become like Christ through following His teachings and being transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit and also through dedication and discipline of prayer and bible study. Salvation and transformation is not found through piety, or “doing”. It is all about the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God incarnate in what He did for us. It is never about man.  But notice Chuck’s so called prayer focus. Every day it is about do, do, do.  My friends, this is simply not biblical teaching!

From Elijah List

Chuck Pierce: The South Pacific Boils! PLUS Day 1-7 Prayer Focus to Release You to See Your Future – Prayer and intercession is keeping the portal between Heaven and Earth opened over us. During one portion of our Sunday morning service, Isaac Pierce began to play a drum with great intensity. The sound that was released and accompanied in song by LeAnn Squier was interpreted by Barbara Wentroble and Keith Pierce.

Prayer and intercession (to pray on the behalf of another) is to go before God the Father to make your requests known to Him. Christian prayer has nothing to do with the opening of a portal. We are given a mention in Revelation 5:8 of golden bowls full of incense which are the prayers of the saints. That’s the visual, nothing about a portal. Would you be surprised to find that portals are used in the occult?  How often we hear them from those who claim to be modern day apostles, prophets and teachers – here, Pierce, and also Bill Johnson, Todd Bentley, Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, Patricia King, John Paul Jackson and many who follow after them who are like minded. If these people speak for God where are they getting this idea?

Notice the connection Chuck Pierce makes between the release of sound – drum and song interpreted as prophetic word. You will need to judge the word just like we are told in scripture. For brevity, I will only post the sections that “wowed” me. If you wold like to read the word in it’s entirety, use the link above. Certainly there is much more that could be revealed.

Keith Pierce then said, “The moment that Isaac began to hit the drum, I saw ignition occur. As it ignited I saw fire begin to shoot out from our fingertips.

Fire out of fingertips. There is no way this is of God!

(Keith again) I keep seeing the waters of the South Pacific warming and beginning to bubble.

Barbara added this word of the Lord, I am going to give you power over the winds and over the waves. Even as My Son spoke to the winds and spoke to the waves and commanded them to be still, this is the hour that you will speak to the destructive winds and to the destructive waves and you shall cause them to be stilled.

This is about the only time you will hear about Jesus Christ. It is in the opportunistic wording of satan, to be like God, or when they pray or decree “in Jesus’ name”. They want to be God -and these words prove it. We do not have the power over wind and waves. Only Jesus, only God.

Mark 4:39 Then He arose ad rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Peace be still!” And the wind ceased and there was a great calm. Jesus calmed the sea and the wind. He did not teach his disciples who were with them to do it. If that were His intention, what a great teaching moment!  But, it was not and still to this day is not.

Keith continued, “Listen to the sound of war because it is building. When it builds My people will arise. When they arise, they will come to their new mantle. They will receive their new authority. They will extend their hands in a new way. Extend your hands and face the contrary wind. Speak to the ill winds and say, ‘Cease. You will not bring the locust across my land. Cease. You will not enter my cargo ship. Cease and desist.’ Today is the day that I am Jehovah-Shalom. I am your peace. I am your prosperity in the midst of the storm.”

Listen to the buzz words – sound of war, arise, new mantle, new authority? Oh, that’s the good one – new authority! By whom? Who will bring to the body of Christ this new authority? Christ said all authority is given to Me in heaven and on earth – Matthew 28:18.

And that last line almost makes us want to think it was God speaking – I am Jehovah-Shalom. But no! It cannot be our God because He never told us or taught us the things the NARites do. They do not come in the name of God because they do not speak His word. They have no power or authority over the church – none.  And that is my declaration to them!

The Hebrew letter symbol for the year 5770, Ayin, not only means to see, but the word means to BUD FORTH!

I say Chuck Pierce’s statement is divination! And is strictly forbidden in scripture. Leviticus 19:26, 31

From day one of the prayer focus by C Pierce –

One cycle that I feel we must break is linked to the spirit of poverty. In a materialistic society, this spirit tends to blind us from seeing the will of God. We must declare victory over the spirit of poverty! This spirit has violated God’s perfect order and produced instability in many individuals. I feel that the Lord is saying that we need to take a violent and passionate stand on behalf of the Body of Christ concerning this spirit—that we must press through difficulties and storms to force an atmospheric change.I declare that any atmosphere of poverty encircling around you or your sphere of authority will be invaded with the atmosphere of blessing and glory from Heaven.

I don’t necessarily believe in a spirit of poverty. There are many reasons for lack in our lives. But Chuck says this spirit will bind us from seeing the will of God. If that is the case, maybe repentance is in order, maybe it is a matter of getting our focus off our circumstances and back on to God. That is not done by a declaration that will change the atmospheric conditions around us. We are not affected spiritually the atmosphere, but by what we think on. Philippians 4:8, Proverbs 23:7, learn to be full or suffer lack – Philippians 4:12 and that it is Christ who gives us strength, v 13.

From day three-

The generation that came out of Egypt was filled with poverty resulting from slavery. Therefore, they resisted the war that would be necessary for them to be established in the abundance of God’s promises. Their fear caused their perspective of God’s purposes to be clouded and confused. They lost the ability to advance and enter into success. They could only see their enemy and not their victory! The enemy was in fear of them because they knew God was backing them. Riches were waiting for the covenant people of God and had to be postponed to another generation that would develop a mentality of dominion.

Number 14:11 Then the Lord said to Moses: “How long will these people reject me? And how long will they not believe Me with all the signs which I have performed among them?”  Clearly, not a matter of war as Chuckie would have us believe and do, but a matter of rejecting God. They did not lose the ability to enter into success, they were prevented from entering the promised land by the Almighty.  Still, not a matter of dominion, but one of obedience and adoration. Dominion is a key component of NAR/Word of Faith false doctrine. The people of God did not have to take dominion of the land, it was given to them by the Creator.

From day six-

I was recently in Las Vegas, and I asked the Lord, “What is the real problem here?” I heard Him say, “Sabbath is not part of this culture!”

Sabbath! I was recently in Las Vegas too. It is a vile place to be. Sabbath rest is not the problem. Sin is the problem.  I would say there’s a lot of resting going on there, at the expense of others. I cannot fathom our Righteous Father commenting in such a way!  Salvation, not rest, Jesus Christ is the need and He is not a matter of culture!

From day seven –

Let’s ask the Lord to remove the debt that has blinded us. Thank Him that He redeemed you from debt so He can show you how to be delivered today from any debt that surrounds you. Even if you have lost what you borrowed, you can recover! You can SEE your way past your debt.

Jesus Christ paid our debt of sin and through Him we are redeemed from death and eternal hell.  Following this false prophet’s direction will not lead you to Christ or His ways. He is a dangerous man intent on removing you from your relationship with the Lord by taking your focus off the true ways of God and the message of the gospel and convincing you that you need to do these these “prayer focuses” he puts out.  My friends, that work is deceitful, the work of Satan.

For many will come in my name, saying I am the Christ, and will deceive many. Matthew 24:5

And Another Wave Of….ad nauseum

I found this prophetic word (ahem) a little while ago, pertaining to the Chilean earthquake and tsunami. It nearly made me physically sick to read. Such garbage and mumbo jumbo coming out of the NAR and their little club and they get worse by the day!  People have died, lost loved ones, homes, jobs – everything, but let’s get a “word” in there.

I’m the one in blue.

A Wave of God’s Glory is Coming! by Cindy Jacobs

Does anyone understand precisely what it means when the NAR or the MSOG refer to God’s glory?

Last Friday night, February 26th, my husband and I had an unusual night – we weren’t speaking at a conference, traveling, or busy.  So we stayed home and watched a movie – Robinson Crusoe.

Remember, everything in the false prophetic has meaning.

The next morning we watched in shock and distress as news reached us that an 8.8 magnitude earthquake had shaken Chile during the night and that a tsunami wave had rolled over Robinson Crusoe Island just off the Chilean coast.

Ok, so if this woman is so prophetic why didn’t she know about the earthquake and tsunami before they happened? After all, she does speak about prophetic intercession and having that foresight is what that gift is all about. She calls herself a seer. But this “prophet to the nations” as she refers to herself had no clue.

While watching the news and praying, I recalled speaking at Chuck Pierce’s “Starting the Year off Right” conference in Denton, Texas on December 31, 2009.  Chuck prophesied that the Lord would begin to buckle highways as a sign of rearranging the order of the earth so that the covenant with God’s land could now manifest in a way that was stopped from manifesting in the last season.

Here’s where my barf bag comes out.

Chuckie – “buckle highways” as in cause accidents and more death? Some years ago they set up and declared by word of another prophet a Highway of Holiness and during that time a bridge collapsed and people died. That was enough prophetic intercession and highway buckling to last us a life time. Statement re:I-35

Rearrange the order of the earth – I can’t begin to imagine what that might mean, does anyone?

But the biggie – the covenant of God’s land – what covenant might that be exactly?

Stopped it from “manifesting” in the last season- Would that mean a failed prophecy? Or maybe God’s trying to tell Chuckie something.

These people truly have their own thing going on!

I proceeded to prophesy about earthquakes.  “I’m going to shake the earth.  You will begin to see earthquakes…I am coming to shake everything that can be shaken.”  Look where the earthquakes are hitting because God is going to release a wind of Pentecost in those places.

I dunno. She speaks of wind, so should we watch for hurricanes too? I need to know when God used the earth to bring salvation to His people – when EVER??? Because the gospel of Jesus Christ is the emphasis of the life and purpose of a Christian, not earthquakes! And no matter how good the power stuff of Pentecost sounds or how it appeals to those who adore power, there is no Pentecost without SALVATION! And there is no true power without the presence of the Holy Spirit, and He does not dwell with liars and false prophets.

Jesus told his disciples that earthquakes would be a sign of His coming, a sign of the end of the age in Matthew 24. He said nothing about a wind of Pentecost hitting the same areas.

Geomancer – one who divines by lines or geographic features. Hmmm…

God has a way of taking those things that Satan means for evil and bringing great glory out of them.  This will be the case for these disasters.

I am the first to admit, to know first hand that God works miracles for His people who trust Him in tragedy and that will always be my testimony. But, it takes some doing on the part of the believer and not just some prophetic declaration swooshed over it like – TADA!!! – all better! They need the word of God, meaning the bible, His truth, His love, His forgiveness! They need salvation and the only way they are going to get there is the old fashioned way, the tried and true way, God’s way –  through preaching the word!

But alas, more mumbo jumbo:

Since the December 31 prophecy about earthquakes, on January 12, Haiti was rocked with a massive 7.0 (full circle, completion) magnitude shaking and then Chile on February 27.  The earthquake in Chile rocked the city of Concepcion (conception, birthing) with an 8.8 (double new beginnings) magnitude.  I believe this represents birthing of double new beginnings of glory in the earth.  I believe God desires not only to heal Chile and Haiti but to turn these terrible disasters for good for His people.

This is not the way of our Lord God. He does not speak to us in numbers. This use of numerology is of the occult  and is associated with  astrology and linked to the ancient Kaballah which is a practice of Jewish or Hebrew mysticism. The use of the occult and its various forms is strictly forbidden in scripture.

The way she is using these horrindous disasters as a spring board for her purposes makes me sick. It makes me sad for God’s people, for those who are dellusioned by this woman and it makes me sad for her. I used to listen to her and trust her as my teacher until the Lord showed me the error.

And maybe good things can come from bad if we position ourselves spiritually, but I hate this opportunist method of the false prophetic so much. It gives false hope to those who are desperate and needing answers and direction. It is no different from fortune tellers or psychics.

As mentioned, after the earthquake in Chile, a tsunami raced across Robinson Crusoe Island, bringing havoc.  The people on the island did not receive the warning in time, resulting in devastation.  However, God is going to touch this little island and rescue it in a unique way and it will be rebuilt.

Havoc. Devastation. Yes – say it. Death and lots of it. And under worse conditions, possible disease, famine. People don’t just walk out of this in a day.  And as far as a rescue? What might that be? There is only Jesus Christ, and yes, He is unique in comparison to other gods, other religions. But He is the only way, nothing unique or new is going to come and pull them from the horror they now face. How dare this be implied in the name of God!

The tsunami then swept across the ocean towards Hawaii.  The Lord gave me a word in 1992 that Hawaii would become the first Christian state.  I asked the Lord, “What is happening?”  He replied, “I am getting ready to sweep the face of the earth with my glory as the waters cover the sea.”  (see Hab 2:14)

Hawaii – the first Christian state. That’s just stupid for obvious reasons. Need to know what’s happening from God? Read the bible.

Hawaii was ready with a prayer army and early warning devices and so was not damaged with this natural tsunami, but the glory of the Lord will remain.

So, meaning there had to have been tsunami damage before the Lord would move?

Then the Lord reminded me, “This is the week of your Convergence gathering in Dallas.”  I then made the connect – God is going to use Convergence to release His glory into the seven mountains or sectors of society.  In fact, we begin with Lance Wallnau who has been used of God to teach about the seven mountains in such a powerful way.

The seven mountains. Yes. The kingdom man built, something like Babel.

The Lord then spoke to me, “Have every speaker decree at the end of their session that the glory of God will begin to sweep the earth into their mountains of society.”

When I hear statements like these I wonder if I should consider it harmless hog wash or if there is something quite vile, wicked, with power being released in their words.

I saw in a vision of a gathering of waters, piling up full of glory, that are being prepared to sweep the face of the earth in a great move of prayer, intercession, miracles, and glory.

Yeah, right.

He is coming to shake everything that can be shaken and fill the earth with His glory.  By Saturday night of Convergence we are going to decree a release of His glory.  The earth is groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God revealing who He is in the nations of the earth.  His glory will be seen through the church (religion), family, government, education, business, arts/entertainment, and media mountains.

The sons of God and to them it is the Manifest Sons of God who will embody Christ. That will be their revelation –  the god of the seven mountains – who is not the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, nor the one who sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, nor the Father of us all. The Kingdom of God is not of this world!

Make your way to Dallas by car, bus, or plane.  I believe God’s glory is going to be revealed in our midst in great and wondrous ways.

Did anyone see mention of Jesus Christ in any of Cindy Jacob’s words as a prophet of the Lord?

This is where I say MARANATHA! Come Lord Jesus.

Isaiah 64 1-5 Oh that You would rend the heavens!  That You would come down! That the mountains might shake at Your presence-

2 As fire burns brushwood, As fire causes water to boil – To make Your name known to Your adversaries, That the nations may tremble at Your presence.

3 For when You did awesome things for which we did not look, You came down, The mountains shook at Your presence.

4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, Nor has the eye seen any God besides You who acts for the one who waits for Him.

5 You meet him who rejoices and does righteousness, Who remembers You in Your ways. You are indeed angry, for we have sinned – In these ways we continue; And need to be saved.


Which Way to The Way?

While wondering around I came on a site about Martial Arts written by Gaylene Goodroad, a woman who practiced for quite a few years, earning two black belts.  She now warns others of its truth and the roots beneath this often-practiced religion disguised as a  self affirming, good-for-the-kiddies “sport” and self discipline.  She makes the link between MA and Contemplative Prayer or Meditation. Ahhh-HA! Fascinating!

You know how we have briefly discussed the CharisMANIA manifestations and the link to Kundalini in their shocking similarities? You will see the link between  the Kundalini “Serpent Power” and MA! More Ahhh-Ha!  Think Chuck Norris is one to follow?  Think again!

Make sure you take a look at the free PDF booklet offered on her site at the very bottom of the page. It is full of good information. As I write this I am reminded of a friend who takes her son to MA and claims she does not care if it is bad or not, as long as it helps him. It is no wonder with this mindset that other spiritual disciplines have crept into the church. They began in our homes!

Its been almost eighteen years since my conversion to Christ–and the renouncement of both my black belts–but it wasn’t until recently that I fully realized the close kinship between the spiritual roots of the martial arts and the Emergent/Contemplative spirituality engulfing the Church of Jesus Christ. After some research, I discovered that the devil’s lie from Genesis 3 has been cleverly repackaged and marketed to unsuspecting karate enthusiasts for hundreds of years, and is now simpatico among many professing Christians. Although I studied Okinawan and Japanese martial arts systems for thirteen years, I had unwittingly succumbed to a plethora of unbiblical beliefs and practices due to language differences among the many Eastern disciplines. For example, I hadn’t made the connection between “Do,” (meaning, “way“, in Japanese), with the Chinese (Confucianist) Tao/Dao, meaning the same thing. This becomes significant to the Christian, because the Do/Tao/Dao is synonymous with the Buddhist Yin/Yang philosophy which is pantheistic, not monotheistic, in nature. It is a spiritual “way“–or journey–diametrically opposed to biblical Christianity.

Follow the link to Gaylene’s blog and the PDF booklet. –

My Life in The Way – Gaylene Goodroad

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eating off the wrong tree

From time to time someone comments here regarding the Bethel, the church in Redding, California, headed by Bill Johnson. He is known to be quite influential and many flock to his church because they believe God is doing “something”. These misinformed believe that unless they are in Bethel physically, they will “miss out on” what “God is doing now”.

I’ve put up quite a few articles related to Bethel and its Pastor Bill Johnson who pals with Cal Pierce of International Association of Healing Rooms – think John G. Lake.  I’d like to take a second to show you how easy it is to spot false teaching. Now, the teaching I am about to show you did not originate from Bill Johnson or Cal Pierce. It is a fundamental teaching out of the word of faith heresy. Watch how simple.

I was asked to contact a young woman in regards to my experience with the healing rooms – IAHR. This woman has become involved with Bethel, its healing rooms and the teaching of Bill Johnson. (Both healing rooms share the same teachings.)  I shared with her my experience and concerns. She claimed she knew we, as believers, could “speak things into existence” because the word says power of life and death are in the tongue, and that is proof that we could.

Here is my response to her –

You said you are grounded in the word. Please consider then, these scriptures that you have been taught out of context.

You saidThe bible says the power of life and death is in the tongue.  That’s proof right there that we can speak things into existence.

Below is the scripture in context and you will see nothing said before or after teaches we can speak things into existence.

Proverbs 18:20-22

20 A man’s stomach shall be satisfied from the fruit of his mouth;
From the produce of his lips he shall be filled.
21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue,
And those who love it will eat its fruit.
22 He who finds a wife finds a good thing,
And obtains favor from the LORD.

The power to “call things that are not as tho they were”, or to “speak things into existence comes” from a clip from the following scripture, again I am posting it in its context –

Romans 4:16-18

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”[a]) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.

This scripture so often quoted out of its true meaning speaks of God’s promise to make Abraham the father of a nation, even when he was so old, past the age of child bearing, the thing that did not exist. It also refers to the sovereignty of God, His power to speak life into what did not exist before, all of creation, to call a people, the Gentile nation, to be His even when they were not. Again, nothing is said here of our power to call things to exist

So now we can see that Proverbs and Romans are two very often misquoted scriptures – where does the idea of this wrong teaching come from???

Genesis 3:4-6

4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

To claim we can do the same things that God does, to claim to have that ability and power is to make the claim we are like God, as the serpent told Eve above. And how quickly she found out otherwise. I know you have a zeal for God but please make sure you are doing the work of a true believer. Just to lay claim to some thing and pound God’s name on it, does not make it of God. We have a responsibility to keep the word of God and its teachings pure and to handle it with utmost care. These word of faith teachers do not teach us the word of God as it is written, but twist it to say something other than what it does, as you can see by these examples. Why do they do this? Maybe because they have been deceived for so long they can no longer see the truth. Or maybe they don’t care of the truth; they just want the fame and fortune. None of us know for sure but we do know when we compare their teachings with the word -as we have done here -they don’t say the same thing.

This is why I warn others of this heresy and of those who are eating off the wrong tree.

This is her response back to me:

Faith, hope and love. The rest is whatever.  I’m not going to debate with you. I love people with faith! And those that have faith for the impossible is great in God’s eyes.  They are childlike and that is the only way to make it into the kingdom of heaven.
Have a good day.

Notice not a bit of care or concern with the truth staring her right there in both of her eyes! I guess if you have this “faith” then nothing else matters.

This is the teaching supported at Bethel and throughout most of charismania. Not the true word of God, but one contrived of twisted scripture. Again, I have to wonder what it truly means when they twist the word of God so easily, and Jesus Himself is referred to in John 1 as the Word.  Does it make you want to jump the first plane, train or auto out there to be just as deceived?

Warning to the Apostles – Andrew Strom

I received this warning from Andrew Strom in my e-mail this morning. Another ditto to those who do the same work in exposing these false apostles, prophets and teachers of the NAR and Manifest Sons. So for those who go in the same way, walk out.

WARNING to THE “APOSTLES”
-Andrew Strom.

An Open Letter to Peter Wagner, Dutch Sheets & Other “Apostles”.

I recently received a report of a new “Apostolic Network” headed up by Dutch Sheets which held a gathering in Florida last week to “carve up” territories for it’s ‘apostles’, etc. (link here -added by M’Kayla) I need to put in writing what I believe the Lord would say to these men.

But first I need to remind us all of something. On June 23rd, 2008, a group of “apostles and prophets” under Peter Wagner’s headship stood on a stage in Lakeland at the Todd Bentley revival – to lay on hands and commission him, etc. But it was far more than that. Peter Wagner called it an “apostolic alignment.” He made the following statement before all the TV cameras and all the people:

“I take the apostolic authority that God has given me and I decree to Todd Bentley:
-Your power will increase.
-Your authority will increase.
-Your favor will increase.
-Your influence will increase.
-Your revelation will increase.
I also decree that:
-A new supernatural strength will flow through this ministry.
-A new life force will penetrate this move of God…”

Onlookers might have thought that Wagner was ‘prophesying’ the above statements. But actually what he felt he was doing was “decreeing” these things over Todd – since he was the ‘head apostle’.  In a letter the following day, Wagner called this a “groundbreaking event” and stated that, “We are now in a place in what I see as the Second Apostolic Age…” (In other words, a “new era” of real apostles).

So how did that work out for you, Peter? Well, literally within weeks we found out that many of the “miracles” at Lakeland had no foundation, and then Todd Bentley’s wife separated from him apparently over an affair he was having – and the entire ‘revival’ fell to pieces in the worst way possible. That’s how it worked out.

All the big Charismatic leaders that had stood on that stage hardly knew what to do with themselves – they were so embarrassed. And none more so than Peter Wagner – after making an “Apostolic decree” like that. -Probably the most colossal disaster of his life.

So who pulled the rug out from under your “apostolic alignment”, Peter? I need to tell you that there are two responsible parties. One is ‘yourself’ – clearly. And the second is GOD – because He is now pitted against you and your so-called “apostles”. He is the one who did this to you.

You and your friends have presumed to an office and a place over the Body that is simply not yours, and God is in the process of taking you ‘apostles’ down – and all your “networks” with you.

Dutch Sheets – can I ask you please, what gives you the right to carve up the Body of Christ in North America and parcel it out like McDonald’s franchises to all your buddies so they can be ‘apostles’ over their own “territory”? Do you have any idea what you are playing with? Don’t you know that if your buddies are not real New Testament Apostles then all they are doing is painting huge targets on themselves and begging for the judgment of God?
How dare you treat the Body of Christ like a piece of Real Estate that you can carve up for your own aggrandizement?

Because of men like you, God is about to judge the leadership of the church. Do they call themselves an “apostle”? Well, God is going to put them to the test. If they are not the real thing, they make themselves His ‘enemy’ because they are blocking His real Reformation. Every self-proclaimed “apostle and prophet” is about to be put to the test. Oh, you call your group an “Apostolic Council of Elders” or something similar? Expect God to come calling, and if you are not the real thing, expect Him to take you down. The Lord God is coming to take back His church with great violence. And you guys are standing directly in His way.

I’ve heard that one of these big “apostles” in Canada once told his network that their “apostle-ness” would be judged by the ‘noses and nickels’ that they represented. (In other words, their “numbers”
and their reaping of money). Hmmmm. If I didn’t know better, I would call those the words of a hireling and a wolf.

As Lee Grady wrote about this ‘Apostle-Mania’:
“In some circles apostles demanded total allegiance from the leaders who were “under” them. Some required a policy of “tithing up,” creating a monstrous organizational structure similar to a spiritual Amway. So-called apostles with huge “downlines” made exorbitant amounts of money. One leader even offered pastors the opportunity to become “spiritual sons” by contributing $1,000 a month to his ministry.”

And yet here is what the TRUE apostle Paul wrote: “I think that God has set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death… we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place… we are made as the filth of the world, and are the off scouring of all things…” (1 Cor 4:9-13).

Now THAT is true apostleship. Tell me, Mr. Modern Apostle, do you match up to the New Testament apostles? If not, what on earth do you think God is going to do to you if you claim that title falsely?

I believe that many true Apostles, when they do arise, will simply REFUSE to carry such titles in any way. They will “minimize” themselves, not exalt themselves. That is the heart of a true leader of God.

In closing, let me again warn those who have titled themselves “apostle” or ‘prophet’ in the modern church. God is coming to “clean house” and if you are not the real deal, expect Him to start with you. It is as simple as that. You need to repent urgently of your utter presumption. You have been warned.

Send feedback to-  prophetic@revivalschool.com

God bless you all.

Andrew Strom.

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Mark Chironna another pea in the pod of poo

I don’t know much about Mark Chironna. Only that he partnered and pal’d around with Kim Clement a few years back. He’s been around for a long time but I grew interested in him when some of his teaching was brought to my attention –

At Chironna’s website we find what could only be the end result of a mastered mix of psychology, psychic beliefs and the bible.  I say “mastered” because as you read his stuff the thinking is hmmmm…that sounds right. But, ahh, remember, discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong, but right and ALMOST right per our friend gone before us- Charles Spurgeon. Mark’s teaching is just like the false prophetic as life becomes all about ME, who I am, who I was created to be; destiny in the making. Mark takes this one step further as he gives out a process in how to make that happen. But the word of our God says nothing like this. It is all about Jesus Christ and our lives are to mirror His image, not one of our own making. (We) put on the new man who is renewed in the knowledge according  to the image of Him who created him. Colossians 3:10.

Mark may speak against new age heretics, but his teaching and explanation of the word shows him to be another pea in the pod of poo. He calls himself a “bishop”, a PhD-er, appears to be a very well paid “life coach” and is part of Peter Wagner’s New Apostolic Reformation which makes him another very dangerously deceived false apostle building a kingdom of his own. This makes him part of the “speak it into existence” crowd, more commonly known as the word of faith.

This video from BarnumandBentley shows Chironna’s connection with psychic and new age websites as he peddles his wares. Pardon, but there’s a snappy tune with the video. I kinda like it.

I began to do the research late this morning and found other sites who were putting up warnings against Mark. I read that he is to be the host on TBN tonight, although I cannot confirm it on their site, not sure why. So, since there seems to be a sudden interest on the web, God may be trying to tell us, or better Mark’s followers, the truth.

Again, I am reminded of this scripture, which seems to have been the bedrock for me in my search for the truth – Colosssians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Philosophy and psychology are man made truths, and in themselves have nothing to do with God. To mix these ideas and fantasies with the word of God is to corrupt the true meaning of salvation. We are nothing without redemption for God gives us all that we need from His word.

If you are a follower of Mark’s, please take the time to compare his teachings with what the bible says. They are not the same teachings.

The Latter Rain Redivivus By Bob DeWaay

Mike Bickle and International House of Prayer
The Latter Rain Redivivus

By Bob DeWaay

Earlier this year the International House of Prayer (IHOP) sponsored a conference in Kansas City entitled Passion for Jesus that was heavily promoted toward young people. The purpose of the conference was to “cultivate intimacy with Jesus.” In the conference’s second session, IHOP president and director Mike Bickle preached a message based on an allegorical interpretation of a Matthew 25 parable in which he explained his end times theology and “revelation of the bridal paradigm.” Bickle claims that Jesus cannot return until something drastically changes in the church: “He is not coming any day. He is not coming until the people of God globally are crying out in intercession with a bridal identity under the anointing of the Spirit.1

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Mike Bickle’s Romantic Jesus

In light of the recent joining between IHOP and other ministries also involving kids, I thought it would be good to link this article from Critical Issues Commentary.

Please, if you have children be ever so careful in jumping the gun in this “missions” quest. Pray and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Lord would never want one of His to become so entangled in the false practices going on with IHOP and the rest. The links provided will take you to the rest of the article.

Prayerfully,

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Mike Bickle’s Romantic Jesus
IHOP’s Bridal Paradigm
ISSUE 107 – July / August 2008
Recently I was given a CD of Mike Bickle speaking to a youth group at the International House of Prayer (IHOP) Passion for Jesus Conference in Kansas City. Bickle is full of zeal and passion as he speaks of the “Bridegroom Jesus” he has found in the Song of Solomon through “spiritual interpretation.” The message is central to his ministry as IHOP sees this new revelation of the “Bridal Paradigm” being extremely important for individual Christians to grow in God …
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IHOP Partners with Teen Mania

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From their registration page –

When sleeping Christians wake up, their eyes become open to the lost. It is recognizing the need others have for the gospel that then compels them to go, and ‘going’ is the life-blood of missions.

This is why Spiritual Awakenings fuel evangelism, and why they are the very epicenter of revivals around the world.

This is why IHOP is partnering with Global Expeditions: To give every student that has Encountered God a chance to Take Action.

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See the buzz words  – When sleeping Christians Wake Up – meaning you are lacking in your faith, your relationship with your savior, lacking in your gifts etc., thereby creating the problem or a need just like in marketing.

Spiritual Awakenings – this is their solution to your lack of…and this is what they “sell” at their meetings as they preach everything except the true gospel, give impartations and the false end times – dominion/kingdom now theories. They believe Jesus will not return until Christians take the world over.

revivals around the world – their expected outcome

Remember, IHOP has partnered with Bethel (who some time ago “married”  – their wording – with Iris Ministries Rolland and Heidi Baker), and the Arnotts, (Toronto Blessing hosts), and Lou Engle.  It was said Mike Bickle (IHOP)  was to make a trip to Morningstar, home of Rick Joyner and Todd Bentley, altho I have not been able to determine if that has happened. These all follow the false prophecies of Bob Jones.

Save your children. Don’t let them be involved with these false teachers and prophets, who preach a false jesus, false gospel, and for Bickle, a false paradigm of the Bride of Christ, aka Bridal Paradigm.

What is the Spirit Speaking to the Church? . . . Reach the World!


At the recent onething‘09 conference Mike Bickle introduced a partnership between IHOP–KC and Teen Mania Ministries / Global Expeditions.

For over 23 years, Global Expeditions has taken young people and adults on short-term missions endeavors, in obedience to the command given by Jesus in Mark 16:15–18 to “go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.” As a result, over 1.3 million people have had the opportunity to hear the gospel, with hundreds of thousands making decisions to follow Jesus.

Throughout history, college and university campuses in our nation have been a catalyst for spiritual awakening. Since the 1700s our nation has witnessed multiple moves of the Holy Spirit that have touched and awakened students on college campuses. These movements often progressed beyond the campuses, resulting in a great number of souls being added to the kingdom of God. History also attests to a strong correlation between spiritual awakening and missionary movements among the lost. When the Holy Spirit awakens hearts, it requires a response, and that response carries the gospel forward.

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As the Holy Spirit moves on our hearts, it is not for our sake alone. He empowers us to be effective witnesses and ministers of the gospel, in the power of the Spirit, just like the early church in the book of Acts. This is the mandate of the Church, the function of every follower of Christ.

What is our next step? We must take what we have—the good news of Jesus Christ—to those who have never heard. We can do this in our schools, in the marketplace, in our neighborhoods, but God often calls us to go further afield.

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By partnering with a missionary movement. Through Global Expeditions, we invite you to take a short-term trip to minister the love of Jesus to the ends of the earth. The Great Commission commands us and the love of God compels us. Whether in New York, Panama, Scotland, or China, you can make an eternal difference in the lives of those you encounter while having the adventure of a lifetime.

Visit GlobalExpeditions.com or call 1.877.745.8336 to find out more.

With passion for Jesus,
IHOP–KC Leadership Team

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and still more bad water continues to flow together…

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Dear Friends,

As you may know, John and Carol Arnott were with us in Kansas City a few weeks ago at our awakening services. They have some upcoming conferences that we’d like to let you know about.

Blessings,
IHOP–KC Leadership Team

newnewnew Toronto Pastors and Leaders Conference


January 19–22, with Bill Johnson, C. Peter Wagner, and John and Carol ArnottThere is a new wave of revival quickly spreading; now is the time to get ready!

Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (TACF) is excited to announce that Bill Johnson and C. Peter Wagner will be speaking at their Pastors and Leaders Conference, January 19–22.

Gather with pastors and leaders from around the world in this great moment of preparation. You will be blessed to hear Bill Johnson and C. Peter Wagner who both have outstanding messages for leaders at this time in history.

This conference is a time for you to receive, so TACF is offering prophetic ministry for all senior pastors. Don’t miss this opportunity to have your spirit refreshed, your mind challenged, and your faith uplifted.

Sign up today!

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Unveiling Conference
May 12–15, with Mike Bickle, Heidi Baker, and John and Carol Arnott

It is time for Christians from all over the world to join together and seek after God with hunger and anticipation for what He has in store for us. It is time for many houses to work together, with all God’s people ready for the harvest.

This year, TACF’s Unveiling Conference will be a time when three streams of revival (TACF, IHOP Kansas City, and Iris Ministries) join together in one accord to seek after the kingdom of God and to listen to what the voice of God is saying at this time. Join many from around the world to chase after our Bridegroom and set our hearts on His love for us and His plan for our lives in the next season.

Mike Bickle and Heidi Baker, along with John and Carol Arnott, are fervently seeking God in this season which many believe are the end times. They are all crying out for the Spirit of God to reach people everywhere, and that the prophetic voice of God’s people will bring change to our cities and nations.

This conference will be packed with amazing worship, cutting-edge teaching from powerful men and women of God, and practical workshops to strengthen your walk with God. Don’t miss out on this chance to be impacted by God. Sign up today.

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