Rick Warren and…

A collection of links and articles written by others that will show who and what Rick Warren is involved with.  (Also see previous article.)

This page may be updated in the future. If you have references, please send them in if you wish. 🙂

Rick Warren Endorses 2013 Book, “Catholics Come Home” – Calls Catholic Evangelization “Critically Important”

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=11347

See what “America’s Pastor” is saying about this 2013 release on the Roman Catholic” new evangelization program to bring back the “lost [Protestant] brethren” to the “Mother Church”:

Warren openly attempts to unite Christians and Muslims –

The Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest and one of America’s most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.  read more

Crosstalk Blog

We are reminding readers of the use of the term “leaven” in Galatians 5:9 in regard to false teaching. How does leaven work? We all know. A small amount placed in the dough will leaven all of it.

Rick Warren and John Piper as Keynote Speakers, Aspire Conference

A Photo with Steve Camp Says it All

The seduction of the “Reformed” camp by Rick Warren continues apace. The Tweet in the photo is by Steve Camp from last June, a man who spent  a number of years exposing the Purpose-Driven false gospel only to do a 180-degree turnaround recently.

PRN Newswire:

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair to Join Rick Warren in one-on-one discussion

LAKE FOREST, Calif., March 1, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Dr. Rick Warren and Saddleback Church will host Tony Blair on Sunday, March 6 at the Civil Forum on Peace in A Globalized Economy.

Lake Forest Patch:

Tony Blair to give tickets to Saddleback attendees

Christian Post:

Pastor’s Convention Aim to Plant More Churches

We don’t need another conference or more sermons…but what we need is a fresh awakening, a fresh outpouring of the Holy Spirit that would begin something that would literally change the world, said Pitman, who is also the lead pastor of Hope Baptist Church in Las Vegas, Nev.

This convention is the Aspire Conference linked in the first article The quoted comment sounds just like those involved in charismania who constantly look for the next move, the next outpouring as though God needs to do something more for us than He already has. The true message is one of repentance. It is our responsibility to respond to God in heeding the message already laid out. Planting churches is a great goal if there is proper need. But in looking at the big picture, these men are no longer bringing a gospel message, but one mixed with many other focuses. When the message of the cross has become “Jesus and” it is no longer the true gospel. It has become heretical.

Chuck Colson Breakpoint:

Video Series by Chuck Colson and Rick Warren -Christian leaders Chuck Colson and Rick Warren have joined together to produce a stimulating study called Wide Angle: Framing Your Worldview.

Keep in mind the previous push for signatures on the Manhattan Declaration. Is it a wonder Chuck Colson has also teamed up with Warren being they are both “purpose driven”? When I hear the word “worldview” it makes me think dominionism or one world religion/government. I know some who use this word do not have that in their view or teaching, but many others do and we will see that connection between those who have evil intent.

Lighthouse Trails Blog:

3 Contemplative Proponents -Leonard Sweet, Rick Warren, and Mark Driscoll – Named Among “Top 10 Most Influential Christians” of 2010

“What influenced the choices were their accomplishments in 2010, polling data and frequency of mention in the press.”1 What the article does not say though is that all three of these “leaders” in Christianity are contemplative proponents, which means that in view of this huge influence, thousands and thousands are being influenced toward contemplative spirituality (a belief system that ultimately leads to New Age thinking).

Lighthouse Trails has some very good reference material regarding the New Age and false christs. I highly recommend these books and teachings!

Eye-Witness Account: Global Peace Forum at Saddleback with Rick Warren and Tony Blair Raises Serious Questions About Global Peace Plan

On March 7, 2011, Roger Oakland, founder of Understand the Times, International, and two other members from his ministry attended the Peace in a Globalized Society forum at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, which featured Rick Warren and special guest, former UK prime minister Tony Blair. Roger Oakland and his co-workers obtained eye-witness seats at the event that included well over 2000 people in attendance. Although cameras and recorders were not allowed in the main sanctuary where the interview took place, the UTT team took notes.

2theadvocate:

Warren Visits Bethany for Conference

He (Warren) said he has trained more than 400,000 people in the 40-day, “Purpose Driven” program in 164 foreign nations, and some of those people have told him, “The uprisings are not religious or political; everybody is working together.”

In introducing Warren to the conference audience, the Rev. Larry Stockstill, senior pastor at Bethany, said Warren has “an apostolic calling on a worldwide scale.”

“A mantle that Billy Graham has been carrying is falling upon him,” Stockstill said. Warren’s “greatest desire is to see the American pastor and pastors across this globe develop a purity of lifestyle that shines like stars in the firmament.”

emphasis mine

Apprising Ministries:

THE DANIEL PLAN OF RICK WARREN ENCOURAGES UNBIBLICAL MEDITATION: http://apprising.org/2011/02/17/the-daniel-plan-of-rick-warren-encourages-unbiblical-meditation/

Jesus didn’t wear socks. I don’t wear socks. I want to be like him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Result of Sleeping Workers

Wow. Read this article I found this morning posted on Moriel.

Are You Sleeping or Awake?

Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’

“And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’

“The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’

“But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”  (Matthew 13:24-30)

It is incredible that the enemy was provided the opportunity to sow the tares by the sleeping slaves, who in turn ask incredulously, “How did this happen? Could there be something wrong with the seed?” Although Jesus explains exactly what this parable means, many fail to learn one of the main lessons in the fact that the tares are allowed into the church not as the result of the will of God, but the negligence of the church itself. Having fallen asleep on our spiritual watch, Satan has been provided the opportunity to insert false believers into our midst.

I actually heard an extended sermon based on this parable which managed to omit this key fact by skipping past the opening verses and jumping right to Jesus’ words, “Allow both to grow together until the harvest”. Extracting and lifting this line out of the parable so he could twist the context, the speaker asserted that this meant it was by God’s design that good and evil are allowed to grow, side-by-side, co-equal to each other until His appointed time of judgment. Therefore, he further asserted, the application in his opinion was that no matter how bad things are, no matter how bad a ministry or person might be, there is always something “good” to be extracted or learned. His repeated admonishment was that we were not to be distracted by the presence of evil, but to instead look for the good that was in the vicinity of evil. (In seminary terms whereas the proper way to handle Scripture is through “exegesis” which seeks to bring out the intended meaning from the text, this is an example of “eisegesis” where someone introduces their own ideas and transposes them onto the text.)

Having provided this “platform”, he then proceeded to list a host of “good” things he had extracted from a myriad of sources. This exhaustive list of religious organizations included many which I would agree are impeccable in their quality and pedigree, but it also included a great many which were either dubious or outright cults or false religions. The amazing thing was how this speaker knew which ones would be controversial to the audience and often paused on them to reassure us, “Now I know these folks have some problems, and they wouldn’t be my number one recommendation, but if you can look past it, here’s some good that’s come from them.”

At the very least, this man was an example of the sleeping servants in the parable to whom it can be directly attributed that Satan is allowed to enter the church and plant false teaching. Even more so however, he might be an example of a false shepherd who actually allows God’s flock to be spiritually attacked and harmed. What we have to take seriously are the many warnings from Christ and the Apostles that we are supposed to remain vigilant against these false teachers/believers so that neither we nor the church at large will be deceived or go astray because of them.

Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears. (Acts 20:28-31)

It might be inevitable that evil and wickedness will come and attempt to establish itself within our fellowships and organizations, but it is not necessarily a given that they should be accepted or allowed inevitable entrance. It is clear that we have the biblical responsibility to make every good faith effort to detect, warn, and guard against them at every turn.

And yet this attitude of “Eat the meat and spit out the bones” is one of the most prevalent problems in the church today. We see it when someone suggests we implement the “good” parts of the Purpose Driven Church, or apply the “good” approaches to worship employed by the Emergent Church, or make use of the “good” points raised by Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Brian McLaren or a host of others on a list of false teachers too long to mention here. Personally I think because there is little or no emphasis on what it means to serve and worship a “holy” God, the majority no longer understand the biblical teaching that God hates a mixture.

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. (2 Peter 2:1)

The image that this phrase is trying to convey is laying truth side-by-side next to error. In other words, truth is used to camouflage error. This situation is explained in the most classical manner by asking the question, “Would you drink a glass of water which only had one drop of poison in it?” This is the problem with false teaching; some truth is present in order to sell the lie. But it all becomes tainted in the end. This is why Paul goes out of his way to state…

For our exhortation does not come from error or impurity or by way of deceit; but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts. (1 Thessalonians 2:3-4)

So how are we to deal with false teachers and their false teachings? Pick out the “good” from the “bad”? Throughout Scripture we have repeated and plentiful examples of how to deal with such people. They are to be plainly, directly, and even publicly confronted so that there is no doubt as to their true nature. We see this in David’s calling out of Saul, Jeremiah’s dealings with Hananiah, Christ’s interaction with the corrupt religious leaders of the day, and throughout the New Testament epistles wherein the writers actually name the names of false teachers and publicly warn against associating with them.

Yes, it is true that if sin occurs in the course of a personal relationship with a brother or sister in Christ that the biblical process is to go first to them privately and initiate a process of reconciliation. (Mt. 18:15-20) However, this is NOT the process to follow in dealing with false teachers, false prophets, false apostles, false leaders, or false shepherds. Nowhere in Scripture – not even by Christ Himself – are they dealt with in any manner other than openly, directly, and publicly. A good watchman sounds an alarm; he does not first go out to the enemy to see if he can “work it out” with them. A good shepherd defends the flock; he does not attempt to make friends with the wolves and have a sleepover with the sheep.

Now the man in the real-life example I opened this discussion with was, in actuality, a very nice guy. It is not like he showed up in a Halloween costume dressed as the devil with a pitchfork and started screaming and attacking people. He was sincere, educated, articulate, even humble in the outward presentation of himself. (Something Warren, Osteen, McLaren and their ilk all have in common.) But we cannot allow such superficial appearances to cloud our judgment and subsequent course of action, which we always measure against God’s Word and God’s Word alone.

But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds. (1 Corinthians 11:12-15)

This is why they are so difficult to spot initially, their appearance and demeanor as tares so closely mimicking the wheat. In the parable, the servants did not even notice the problem until “the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.” Biologists tell us this is the exact nature of this real-life look-alike, that while it grows it looks exactly like wheat until it blossoms and bears fruit, at which time it is plainly obvious which is the wheat and which is the tare. By this we have another clue as to how to recognize those who are actually false: by their fruit.

“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart. (Luke 6:43-45)

There is a word in this politically correct world which has made inroads into our thinking which actually has no biblical standing according to the world’s definition: “tolerate”. Paul uses it in 2 Corinthians 11:19-20 to chastise Christians for tolerating false teachers and their teaching, and Jesus uses it in Revelation 2:20 to admonish Thyatira for tolerating the false teacher Jezebel. Its only “positive” use, if you will, is by Christ to the church in Ephesus:

‘I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false; (Revelation 2:2)

What the world would have us implement is a definition of tolerance that is completely opposite that propounded by God’s Word. In each instance it refers directly to false teachers and the need to be resolutely INtolerant.

I suppose it really does come down to our faith in God’s Word. The only explanation for this repeated behavior to supplement God’s Word and ways with information, approaches, and philosophies poisoned by the influences of the world is a lack of faith in God’s Word to provide the whole answer. This is probably why the charlatans like Warren, Osteen, and McLaren ignore the Word or use the worst imitations of it in order to camouflage their “destructive heresies”. It is a palpable lack of faith in God’s Word which leads to thinking that marketing principles can provide additional insight into how to build a church. It is a lack of faith in God’s Word which leads to thinking that secular music models can become the basis for worship. It is a lack of faith in God’s Word which leads to thinking that we can “borrow” things from cults and false religions with no perceived ill effect.

The Old Testament Law forbade making a garment out of linen mixed with wool (Dt. 22:11), an example of the natural being grafted with the manmade. “A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough”, (1 Co. 5:6) keeping in mind that leaven is the biblical symbol not only of sin but false teaching. Or my favorite in this category, “Dead flies make the perfumer’s oil stink”. (Ecc. 10:1) God demands a higher standard because of His very nature. “By those who come near Me I will be treated as holy”. (Lev. 10:3) How can anything outside of God’s Word even begin to teach the concept of holiness much less provide additional insight into how to attain it?

In fact, when God’s people find themselves in the worst spiritual environments, in those places such as Babylon, the embodiment of the world system which would absorb us completely if it could, the repeated admonition is to leave and come out.

Depart, depart, go out from there,
Touch nothing unclean;
Go out of the midst of her, purify yourselves,
You who carry the vessels of the LORD. (Isaiah 52:11)

We applied healing to Babylon, but she was not healed;
Forsake her and let us each go to his own country,
For her judgment has reached to heaven
And towers up to the very skies. (Jeremiah 51:9)

“Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. (2 Corinthians 6:17)

I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; (Revelation 18:4)

This is no longer just about the individual false teachers anymore. I honestly think we have passed the time when it is still possible to debate and perhaps save the movements, organizations, and even denominations we have witnessed poison themselves with their embrace of false teaching and false teachers. I believe the reason one of the strongest movements within Western Evangelical Bible-believing Christianity in the forming of house churches and independent fellowships is that God is literally calling His people out of Babylon. Those still lingering behind seem all too often to be the ones clinging to the notion that they can still glean the “good” from the “bad”. To fight for the unconditional return to the cross and God’s Word and ways is a noble pursuit if that is what God has called you to do. But if someone is staying because there might still be some “good” left among the rubble?

We have been witnessing this boil over in the Calvary Chapel movement of late, one of the longest and strongest results of the last legitimate spiritual revival of more than 40 years ago. Today we can measure each individual Calvary Chapel by its bookstore. Those trying to glean the “good” from the “bad” will host a plethora of materials from indisputable church growth, Ecumenical, Emergent, and even New Age false teachers. Such materials are strikingly absent from the bookstores of those still clinging to the sole authority of God’s Word. We see conflicting signals when some of its churches and leaders publicly stand up to these false influences while others hold conferences inviting them in through the front door or appearing side-by-side with them on television. Will the servants go to sleep and allow the enemy to plant the tares? We have already seen this occur with Methodists, Baptists, Nazarenes, Assemblies of God and a heart-breaking long list of others. If the battle should be lost for the whole, it will be followed by God calling the remnant out of Babylon. Even Calvary Chapel.

It all begins and is held together by God’s Truth and built into a whole by our pursuit of sanctification, the process by which holiness is effected in each believer’s life. And as His watchmen and shepherds on behalf of the entire flock we need to be able to effectively wield His Word. But a real-life shepherd would never consider for a second that the wolf should be “tolerated” and that there might be some “good” that can be extracted from allowing it access to the flock. Neither should we. Even if it means taking the flock to another pasture entirely.

In His Love,
Servant@WalkWithTheWord.org

America and Christianity, a Parallel Slide Into Secret Places

This morning I’m considering the upcoming National Day of Prayer-what is slowly becoming America as Christianity slowly becomes something else. They seem to both be in parallel  state of change as neither has the appearance of what it once was or should still be.

America, heralded for so long as a country planted on Christian principles, established for the purpose of not only “religious” freedom, but one in which its people could freely worship God in the name of Jesus Christ. One in which its people would be free from religious prosecution, free to live the words of the bible, free to pray, free to worship in spirit and in truth. Without getting too far off here, I have to say I believe that to a degree as history proves that a group came from England for this very reason. But I also believe there were other groups establishing this country, who used the guise of Christianity, or at least the name of “God” and had a completely different plan,  one not of freedom, but of secrets. America having Christian roots is only partly true, but that is another topic for another time.

The National Day of Prayer was created by Congress in 1952. Since that time each of our presidents have honored and acknowledged that day as one for prayer.  This should be a good thing, right? All Christians coming together in various locations or in spirit to pray against the moral decay of our country and to pray for it’s leaders. It sounds like a good thing. Unfortunately, I have learned the hard way what seems to be Christian prayer isn’t necessarily.

With all that we have seen, and attributed to the great falling away, or the great apostasy, we know Christianity is under siege. I don’t know how else to say it. With the continued rising of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), the influence of Bethel (Bill Johnson), Morningstar (Rick Joyner and Todd Bentley), the International House of Prayer (Mike Bickle), The Call (Lou Engle),  and the influences of the Emergent Church (Brian McLaren, Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Rob Bell, etc.), Saddleback (Rick Warren), the Word of Faith, Charismanina, Christianity as taught in the word of God is not up to par in this land. We have also seen, as I have warned about, many modes of “prayer” that we have been exposed to and taught are not modes of biblical prayer.

How  many of us have watched in horror as we have realized our churches are part of these supporters and even participants and teachers of false doctrines and methods? How many of us who once believed we knew the truth came to realize how far off  we really were? How many of us have watched our churches which at one time did not support these ways become taken in by them? I know there have been many. I’ve had quite a few commentors here say just that very thing. If you are one of them, know that my heart went out to you at that news and I have prayed for you and your church. I don’t take my readers lightly or for granted. You are dear to me as I know many of you are searching for the truth in the information I put up on my blog, as I once was too!

Some would say I am too focused on the negative. And to that I would say look at where we are at now. Look at the shipwreck of our faith, the very thing we were given to uphold and protect. Where is Christianity? It is being morphed into something else. So, while I am found to “find fault in everything”, I say where is the truth? If the Apostle Paul was to walk into any of these meeting places and hear the heresy, I dare to say some tables would overturn, in fact, if there would ever be a spiritual cause for an earthquake there it would be.  This is why I will not stand side by side with these false apostles and prophets under a guise of Christian prayer. And this is what we are seeing today in the upcoming National Day of Prayer.

Here is the link to their “ministry partners“.  Who are they? The International House of Prayer!!! The Call!!!  How about a little feel good wisdom from the wife of Normal Vincent Peale, Ruth Stafford Peale? I’m just wondering – where’s the yoga? Think that’s an outrageous question? It’s not far off, in light of the truth behind contemplative prayer’s roots in eastern mysticism found at IHOP, and the Emergent Church, taught innocently on the “Be Still” DVD.

We’ve already seen as I’ve written about the truth in the upcoming MayDay 2010 in which James Dobson joined forces with the NAR. So, am I surprised the National Day of Prayer has gone as far south? No. We’ve seen the push from Lou Engle and Dutch Sheets in the upcoming “Wilderness Outcry”, and Cindy Jacobs’ “Awakening”.

Listen, no one needs to grant us a day to pray. We pray because Jesus told us to pray, and He taught us how. Prayer should never be handled so lightly or so carelessly that is it a one day event, or as we have been seeing, a show. What is one day out of 365 anyway? What does that accomplish if the very next day all those who participated drift back into spiritual semi-consciousness without another thought of prayer?

If we are truly going to turn this nation, if that can even be done, or if it is the will of our Lord, we must change it through the hearts of it’s citizen’s through individual repentance. And that must start with Christians taking a stand against these who have come to steal away the true Faith!  America is indeed in meltdown, and Christianity along with it. And after all of these “days of prayer” I see just the opposite of what they’ve proposed. I see a steadfast decline in the leadership of our country and in the leadership of our churches and certainly a moral decline in both.

I see America drifting further and further away from its so called Christian roots and its established freedoms, and Christianity away from biblical truth. I have to wonder if the two don’t go hand in hand. As I mentioned in the beginning, some organizations and agendas in America were established long ago in secret. The same is to be said of the so called Christian organizations I spoke of here. They come in the name of the Lord, but after that are secrets. And, it is in what is not being said, or that which is not recognized as false that is the most dangerous.

So to steal their National Day of Prayer tag line, “For such a time as this”, let me say yes, for such a time has come to take a stand for all that is true, for Christ and our faith. It is time to expose these liars for what they are and to demand our churches and faith remains pure. For if Americans can see the erosion of their rights and freedoms, surely true Christians can see the same in regard to their faith. America is slipping away, as is Christianity, right before our very eyes. The truth for America is written in the pages of our constitution, just as the truth of Christianity is written in the pages of our bibles! Have we bothered to read or understand either of them? Or have we been taken in by lies forged in dark places?

I say “Father, Your will be done in this land, for You are sovereign”. I will pray on this day as I do on others. It will be a struggle, a discipline as it always is. However, I will not stand and approach my Father with these liars. I will stand against them in His courts for such a time as this, and if one day I perish, then so be it the will of my Father. Because I would much rather die with His words on my lips and His truth in my heart, than to be seen in “unity” with a well disguised wolf.

Which Way to The Way?

While wondering around I came on a site about Martial Arts written by Gaylene Goodroad, a woman who practiced for quite a few years, earning two black belts.  She now warns others of its truth and the roots beneath this often-practiced religion disguised as a  self affirming, good-for-the-kiddies “sport” and self discipline.  She makes the link between MA and Contemplative Prayer or Meditation. Ahhh-HA! Fascinating!

You know how we have briefly discussed the CharisMANIA manifestations and the link to Kundalini in their shocking similarities? You will see the link between  the Kundalini “Serpent Power” and MA! More Ahhh-Ha!  Think Chuck Norris is one to follow?  Think again!

Make sure you take a look at the free PDF booklet offered on her site at the very bottom of the page. It is full of good information. As I write this I am reminded of a friend who takes her son to MA and claims she does not care if it is bad or not, as long as it helps him. It is no wonder with this mindset that other spiritual disciplines have crept into the church. They began in our homes!

Its been almost eighteen years since my conversion to Christ–and the renouncement of both my black belts–but it wasn’t until recently that I fully realized the close kinship between the spiritual roots of the martial arts and the Emergent/Contemplative spirituality engulfing the Church of Jesus Christ. After some research, I discovered that the devil’s lie from Genesis 3 has been cleverly repackaged and marketed to unsuspecting karate enthusiasts for hundreds of years, and is now simpatico among many professing Christians. Although I studied Okinawan and Japanese martial arts systems for thirteen years, I had unwittingly succumbed to a plethora of unbiblical beliefs and practices due to language differences among the many Eastern disciplines. For example, I hadn’t made the connection between “Do,” (meaning, “way“, in Japanese), with the Chinese (Confucianist) Tao/Dao, meaning the same thing. This becomes significant to the Christian, because the Do/Tao/Dao is synonymous with the Buddhist Yin/Yang philosophy which is pantheistic, not monotheistic, in nature. It is a spiritual “way“–or journey–diametrically opposed to biblical Christianity.

Follow the link to Gaylene’s blog and the PDF booklet. –

My Life in The Way – Gaylene Goodroad

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Mike Bickle’s Romantic Jesus

In light of the recent joining between IHOP and other ministries also involving kids, I thought it would be good to link this article from Critical Issues Commentary.

Please, if you have children be ever so careful in jumping the gun in this “missions” quest. Pray and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Lord would never want one of His to become so entangled in the false practices going on with IHOP and the rest. The links provided will take you to the rest of the article.

Prayerfully,

mk

Mike Bickle’s Romantic Jesus
IHOP’s Bridal Paradigm
ISSUE 107 – July / August 2008
Recently I was given a CD of Mike Bickle speaking to a youth group at the International House of Prayer (IHOP) Passion for Jesus Conference in Kansas City. Bickle is full of zeal and passion as he speaks of the “Bridegroom Jesus” he has found in the Song of Solomon through “spiritual interpretation.” The message is central to his ministry as IHOP sees this new revelation of the “Bridal Paradigm” being extremely important for individual Christians to grow in God …
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Contemplative Centering Prayer – Ken Silva

Good article from Ken at Apprising Ministries. He keeps up on this stuff much better than I can!

CONTEMPLATIVE/CENTERING PRAYER

By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Dec 30, 2009 in Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism

This so-called “spiritual discipline” is the chief vehicle of Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism and is without question a ”Christian” form of transcendental meditation. Consider the following from Contemplative (Centering) Prayer:

In 1974, Father William Meninger, a Trappist monk and retreat master at St. Josephs Abbey in Spencer, Mass. found a dusty little book in the abbey library, The Cloud of Unknowing. As he read it he was delighted to discover that this anonymous 14th century book presented contemplative meditation as a teachable, spiritual process enabling the ordinary person to enter and receive a direct experience of union with God.

This form of meditation, recently known as ‘Centering Prayer’ (from a text of Thomas Merton) can be traced from and through the earliest centuries of Christianity… (Online source)

The last statement is true to a point; as you’ll see in Keeping You Apprised Of: Contemplative/Centering Prayer it did not originate with Jesus or His Apostles, but circa third century from hermits in the desert of Egypt who’re romanticized today as “the desert fathers.” And as you can see the terms Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP) are synonymous for this practice of “wordless prayer.”

You’ll also see that practioners of CCP, such as Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster, will often refer to CCP as “the silence.” Foster tells us:

Contemplative Prayer immerses us into the silence of God. How desperately we in the modern world need this wordless baptism… Contemplative Prayer is the one discipline that can free us from our addiction to words. Progress in intimacy with God means progress toward silence… It is recreating silence to which we are called in Contemplative Prayer…

A Warning And A Precaution

At the outset I need to give a word of warning,… Contemplative Prayer is not for the novice. I do not say this about any other form of prayer… Contemplative prayer is for those who have exercised their spiritual muscles a bit and know something about the landscape of the spirit. In fact, those who work in the area of spiritual direction always look for signs of a maturing faith before encouraging individuals into Contemplative Prayer…

I also want to give a word of precaution. In the silent contemplation of God we are entering deeply into the spiritual realm, and there is such a thing as a supernatural guidance. While the Bible does not give us a lot of information on that, there are various orders of spiritual beings, and some of them are definitely not in cooperation with God and his way! … But for now I want to encourage you to learn and practice prayers of protection. (Prayer: Finding The Heart’s True Home, 155, 156, 157)

CCP has no place in the Body of Christ; because if it did, when Jesus was asked by His disciples how to pray, He would surely have mentioned this alleged ”wordless baptism” supposedly so necessary for, “Progress in intimacy with God [i.e. Law].” But the Master did not. How do we know; well, I’m glad you asked.

We know because God the Holy Spirit tells us in His inspired, inerrant, and infallible, text of Holy Scripture through His chosen vessel Luke:

Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when He finished, one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And He said to them, “When you pray, say: Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.” (Luke 11:1-4, ESV)

I’m so glad Ken pointed that out. When I was the intercessor for the healing room ministry I simply asked God how do I pray.  I got the same answer.

More Bad Water

Related previous articles

Another False Move Meeting

The Convergence of Bad Rivers

Spiritual drunkenness. Want to see what a drunk looks like?  Go to a bar and watch and then watch this video. It’s the same bodily movements and descriptions. Carol Arnott – the more she speaks the more she gets knocked by that spirit. It is not the Holy Spirit, but do you think those in the audience care?  And her husband John who says they’ve had more fun in the last 15 years than is probably legal. Really? Tell that to Christians in other countries who are tortured or martyred for their genuine faith.

Here are a couple of my articles that address these issues if you haven’t already read them:

Another Spirit

Spiritual Drunkenness

I’ve avoided the whole John Crowder/Benjamin Dunn scene because they are so disgusting they are beyond mention. If you want to watch them “toke the ghost” you can find them on youtube easily enough. I can’t get into it here as I find their videos to be nothing but an outright mockery of God.

Their women are teaming with Beni Johnson (Bethel) to do a women’s conference –  Girls Just Want To Have Fun (wasn’t that a Madonna song?  Oops nope. It’s Cyndi Lauper, but of course the most recent recording is Miley Cyrus! Who do you think these Crowder women are getting these messages from?)

Crowder says “its like girls gone wild in the glory”.  Is that supposed to be some kind of compliment?  Or maybe it’s telling of  just what kind of spirit is behind this movement. Then there’s the list of women throughout history who have impacted revival. hmmm.. Whose revival?

Still don’t think Bethel is going contemplative? Crowder is. Listen to the description of his upcoming conferences toward the end of the vid. Birds of a feather…

If you can bear it, watch the video. It links to their own youtube site.

Girls Gone Wild Just Want To Have Fun (links to vid)

Crowder at John Alexander Dowie’s grave (links to vid) and will give an idea of where he gets his “anointing”. (I’m having problems with this link but you can find it on his right sidebar if it doesn’t pop up.)

When I saw IHOP, Bethel and John Arnott (Toronto Blessing) team together I thought that was it. No. Bethel teaming with the Crowder/Dunn gang is beyond it. But, I fear it is still only the beginning. So, if its ok to be drunk in the spirit, now they will be wasted in the spirit. What an outrage before our God!  What vain imaginations!

They say that abortion is the ruination of America, God is judging. But, what about the outright mockery these people have made of Him? We may need to rethink exactly what it is God will judge us for. Lou Engle and all that hot air going out on abortion and his solemn assemblies…He’s right there in the mix.

These people claim faith in the Jesus Christ who died for their sins, the One who made it possible to connect them back into relationship with God the Father. Yet they deny Him with their words of false teaching and prophecy. They deny the true person of the Holy Spirit.  What is left for them now? Their Savior has already come. Who is left to save them?

Beware Man’s Devises

My warning to be careful in what you open yourself up to is a very valid one. And I direct this to the charismatic group as well as the contemplative/emergent one, and any group that will teach “do this” to “experience God”. It is irrelevant that we live in a post modern society or that we have been given so-called “prophetic” words that God is “doing a new thing”, or that we are in some particular “season”.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him being abominable, disobedient and disqualified for every good work.

Our God in unchanging. In all times and seasons He remains the same. We are told to be ready to preach the gospel in season and out and to be watchful in all things – 2 Timothy4:2, 5.

When man devises a way to gain knowledge or have an experience, to attain a level of spirituality or wisdom, etc.  whatever “tag” line is used it is very possible and even probable that a visitation will occur. But make no mistake about this. God is not controlled by man’s devises.  He has already taught us how to experience Him, worship Him and pray to Him in His word.  We have been given all that we need as we are complete in Christ. But if we continue in following man’s devises chances are the visitation, all that power, all that “knowing”, that inner voice is not God at all, but a demon, or as some call a spirit guide. And yes, a borne again Christian can have one!

Colossians 2:8-10  Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

When we agree with the false teaching and engage in false practices we are overcome and taken into bondage.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

I believe it is a path that will lead to a loss of salvation because in following after these teachings and practices we are denying Christ just as surely as we would to deny him with our words. The more I think on this the more clearly I see it.

Whatever the design of worship or meditation or prayer for experiencing God we choose should cause us to love Him more, His people more and His word. It should drive us to know more of Him through His word and His people. It should drive us to live righteous, holy lives, convicting us of our own sin.

2Timothy 3:16-17  All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

If instead we find ourselves driven to the next experience, visitation, that source of power, or inner voice, we have certainly disconnected from Christ. We can no longer call ourselves His followers or disciples because we no longer follow Him.  Our only hope is to repent, ask for forgiveness and to be cleansed and set free, taking authority over the demon, casting him away. And then we must leave whatever institution and teacher that brought us to the place of apostasy. That is the only hope in restoration for regaining salvation. Otherwise we are lost eternally.

Beware man’s devises.