The Hand of Todd Bentley


I was watching this video Extended Outpouring Meetings (January 8, 2010) at Todd Bentley’s website – Fresh Fire Ministries. I was taken in by the movement of his hands at the very beginning of the video, especially the first few second and for about 40 seconds. If you watch it, you will see that he is calling attention to his left hand but in a discreet manner. He moves it off the other, raises it slightly, looks at the camera, and looks down at his hand. Watch.  I started to wonder about this hand of his and these tattoos and remembered that some very intelligent person took pics of them during the Lakeland fiasco. So I went in search of Todd Bentley’s left hand. (These pics are all over the internet and I cannot tell who to credit them back to.) Here it is:

Quite floral for the back of a hand of a  man who likes to dress like a biker dude, don’t you think?  Strangely, a five pointed red flower is a symbol used in Rosicrucian. It has several variations other than this one.

Rosicrucian Symbol

Sections taken from Rosicrucian Order AMORC

The Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis is the Latin form of the organization’s name, which literally translates into the Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosy Cross. There is no religious connotation associated with this symbol; the Rosy Cross symbol predates Christianity. The cross symbolically represents the human body and the rose represents the individual’s unfolding consciousness. Together, the rose and cross represent the experiences and challenges of a thoughtful life well lived.

Mysticism can be defined as an experience where one personally knows, through direct knowledge, the source of all being. Many call this source God; others, the cosmic.

The Rosicrucian path incorporates both metaphysics and mysticism. Metaphysics is that which falls beyond the five physical senses; for example, intuition, visualization, and healing techniques. Mysticism is simply the process by which you may eventually experience direct, conscious union with the Absolute, Divine Mind, Universal Intelligence, or what some Rosicrucian students call the God of their Hearts. This is not done by adhering to specific tenets or beliefs, but by learning and applying natural laws which, over time, allow you to
experience Divine or Cosmic Consciousness. The Rosicrucian Order does not attempt to define the nature of the deity. Rather, you will remain free to discover this through your own reflections. This same approach applies to everything that is presented through the Rosicrucian teachings.

Alchemy—the art of transmutation—came into prominence with the Alexandrian Greeks. It was then introduced to the Arabs, who then transmitted this art and forerunner of chemistry to Europe. The alchemists played a tremendous part in the early history of the Rosicrucian Order. While many alchemists were interested in making gold, some were more concerned with the transmutation of human character. European alchemists and Knights Templar, in contact with the Arab civilization at the time of the Crusades, brought much of this wisdom to the West. In Europe the transcendental alchemists—mystics and philosophers—sought to transmute the base elements of human character into the more noble virtues and to release the wisdom of the divine self within the individual.

So, where does this man who does not speak the word of God get his knowledge, wild visions and self proclaimed power to heal?  God does not give gifts to those who pervert the gospel and His word. If He did, He would be participating in the deception. Impossible!

If you look closely at Todd’s hand again you will see  an image of a cross and a crown. Oftentimes, this symbol is used in Christianity to bear the witness of a “cross lived life” rewarded with the crown after death. However, this symbol is used in other societies including Masonry, more specifically The Knights Templar and the Occult.  Remember, Rick Joyner, the man who took on “restoring” Todd is an admitted member of Knights of Malta. Simply, this is Freemasonry, with ancient Roman Catholicism at the roots.

At this point it is important that I point out that I cannot prove these things about Bentley. But, it is something to look at and consider as a possibility. It does not matter to me if he is a Rosicrucian or not. It does matter that he is speaking lies in the name of my Lord and Savior and many are being ruined. So, I am taking this opportunity to show what I have found. If you are a follower of Todd, you owe it to yourself, you owe it to your Lord to question, question, question this man and his claims.

Todd Bentley, the man who wants more than anything, is to impart this wisdom of the ancients into blind, unsuspecting followers. This man comes in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and leads the flock astray.  I listened to him tonight for a few moments as he twisted the words and meaning of Romans 1:11-12.   Todd didn’t read it out of the bible. He did not ask his followers to open theirs. He simply told him that the word used in that scripture “impart” was done through the laying on of hands. Oh?

(Don’t mess with me, man, I’ve been reading Romans!)

Romans 1:11-12 – For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift, so that you may be established- 12 that is, that I may be encouraged together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

Emphasis mine – It is being explained in verse 12 what was said in verse 11 -that impartation comes through their meeting together – encouraged together. There is no mention of the laying on of hands here. That is not being said, nor is it being implied. See how sneaky? Don’t pick up the bible or have others to look at it. Just tell them what it means – close enough to sound right – and look at the deception that will follow when they all go flying up to the front to be “imparted” with this hand!  The very hand bearing symbols against Christ.

1 Timothy 5:22 Do not lay hands on anyone hastily, nor share in other people’s sins; keep yourself pure.

False Healing Impartation

Matthew 10:7-8  As you go, preach, saying “The kingdom of Heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.”

This is the stuff I came out of – (false) HEALING –

Randy Clark was one of the speakers (along with Bill Johnson) at the one and only IAHR (International Assoc of Healing Rooms -Cal Pierce/John G. Lake) conference I attended a few years ago in Spokane. He also was very influential in the spiritual life of the Healing Rooms Director I worked with.  I have a video of Randy and Todd at Lakeland on my blog doing that impartation thing –electrocution style. Impartation is a very big thing in charismania. I’m sure it’s were I picked up the demons. Bad stuff.

Watch it here to see if you really want to be a part of the teaching and impartation offered by Randy and his cohorts- and hear them discuss the connection between Todd Bentley, Randy Clark and the Toronto Blessing – Lakeland Electrocution Impartation

A man cannot impart spiritual gifts, power, anointing, knowledge or wisdom into another. Those things are given through God alone. The Holy Spirit IS God, so how can a man who teaches improper things and false doctrine impart Him to you? It cannot be done. Let me warn you. Watching and listening to false teaching in agreement  is enough to invite demons into your life. If you open your mind to the thought that “maybe they are right, maybe they know more than I” you have opened a door for deception. The devil will be very happy to lead you further astray.This is what happened to me.

Link to Randy Clark’s ministry – Global Awakening (There’s that word again – AWAKENING) Does this sound like it has anything to do with Christ or the gospel?

Again, in these teachings and ministries they completely deny the work of the Holy Spirit in believing THEY are the carriers of His presence.  THEY have the answer to why people don’t heal when they are prayed for. Forget the sovereignty of God. Word of Faith has the answer everyone is looking for. They spin off of Ken Hagin’s stuff.  It’s witchcraft repackaged!

It is God who heals. We pray, He moves. Not everyone gets healed and we do not know why. It is not our place to know. It is not even our place to ask or to question God.  I don’t care how many times they spit out the word intimacy, there are some things we are not to know. Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not  your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. Those who do not walk in the Spirit led lifestyle will go after other knowledge and claim to know things the rest of us do not. Whatever they are selling, even if they offer it for free – you do not want it.

Acts 8:18-24 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 and when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.” 24 Then Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me.”

Simon was a new believer as noted in verse 13, having had been a sorcerer. Being so new to the faith it is easy to be mistaken. Peter pointed his sin out to him in without haste and Simon repented. These gnostic laden teachers are not new believers and are therefore without excuse.

After all, where we we when God hung the stars into place and set the planets into orbit? Can we tell God how that is done? No. We cannot. (Those who think otherwise should read the last few chapters of Job.) Where we we when God formed Adam out of the dust of the ground creating intricate parts of the body that miraculously work together? We cannot tell Him how creation of man is done. We cannot tell Him how to heal a person. And we cannot tell another how to heal a person. Healing comes only from the power of God Himself through His choice to heal or to not heal. It will never come through a man made method or decree or proclamation, nor by study course or impartation!

It certainly does not come from healing energy, (see their message below) which sounds very much like Reiki, a Japanese technique for reducing stress and promoting healing through the laying on of hands. The word Reiki is made of two Japanese words – Rei which means “God’s Wisdom or the Higher Power” and Ki which is “life force energy”. So Reiki is actually “spiritually guided life force energy.Read more here – What is Reiki

Be careful, be wise and ask the Lord to give us all greater discernment in these times.

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Have you ever said, “I wish I knew how to pray for the sick” or “How can I receive an impartation for healing?” Have you ever wanted to be equipped to do miracles?
We are excited to announce that we will be broadcasting the School of Healing & Impartation with Randy Clark and Bill Johnson. It will be broadcast from the Redding Convention Center. The school will be during the afternoons followed by open evening healing meetings. The school will include:
  • Revival Phenomena and Healing
    The Agony of Defeat, The Thrill of Victory, Four Kinds of Faith for Healing, Biblical Basis for Healing and Pressing In
  • Deliverance and Disbelief
    Healing and the Kingdom, Deliverance: A Ten-Step Ministry Model, Throne Life, Healing out of Intimacy with God and Warfield: His counterfeit miracles and today’s echos.
  • Spiritual and Medical Perspectives
    History of Healing within Christianity and Healing Energy
Come and join us online, get equipped, witness the power of God. During the evenings we will be bringing in the sick, so tune in and be a part of this event.
Note: Due to the limited bandwidth at the Redding Convetion Center, we will only have one live video stream but the archived sets will have all three levels available.
Subscibers receive an automatic 15% discount on the conference.

another false move meeting

If this doesn’t make people wake up and see what Bill Johnson is really about, I wonder what it WILL take.

Together at IHOP (Mike Bickle) with John Arnott from the famed Toronto Blessing –

Remember Lakeland?? Think it’s over? Not a chance.

Neither event experienced a true move of God and certainly not the Holy Spirit!

 

Bill Johnson and John Arnott at IHOP–KC, December 7–9

Bill Johnson and John Arnott will join Wes Hall and Allen Hood for our awakening meetings next Monday to Wednesday (December 7–9).

In light of the spiritual awakening at IHOP–KC, we invited Bill and Beni Johnson and John and Carol Arnott to be with us. Because of their extensive experience in stewarding the move of the Spirit we have asked for their input, counsel, and wisdom. Bill and Beni Johnson are senior pastors of Bethel Church in Redding, California. John and Carol Arnott are the founding pastors of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, which experienced a historic outpouring of the Holy Spirit that began in 1994, known as the Toronto Blessing.

They will join Wes Hall and Allen Hood in leading the nightly meetings which will began at 6:00pm. We will have additional meetings on Tuesday and Wednesday at 9:00am.

Six Simple Questions for Todd Bentley – Bud Press

I came across this today posted on Apprising Ministries. I am putting this up for 2 reasons. The first, it aint over, and the second, and most important is that I really appreciate the way Bud took the time to break out the false claims of Bentley against the truth of the word. I also liked that he did not write out the scriptures he quoted, making it necessary for Bentley to actually crack the bible open and read it for himself. (us too!)

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him whom we must give account.

Having had false visions of Jesus Christ myself, this is most helpful. It scares the you-know-what outta me, maybe literally –hell– and reminds me that I remain a sinner saved by the grace and shed blood of Jesus Christ.  And anytime I’d like to step away and think I’m all that, here’s the reminder I had better not.

All praise and glory to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.

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Six Simple Questions for Todd Bentley

by Bud Press, Director

Christian Research Service

www.christianresearchservice.com

October 22, 2009

Maybe it was just a glitch in Todd Bentley’s computer. Or, maybe Bentley accidentally hit delete instead of post. Or, maybe Bentley actually read the comments and chose to hit delete before his followers had a chance to read them.

Whatever the case may be, stuff disappears, including the following October 19 comments on “The Todd Bentley Blog” at http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog :

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Dear Todd:

On your blog in your “Welcome to the website” page, you state that “The purpose of my blog is to share with you my personal thoughts, feelings, status, revelations, and updates on the ministry and restoration” (“The Todd Bentley Blog” at http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog/?p=3 ).

I would appreciate your sharing your personal thoughts, feelings, status, revelations, and updates on the following six simple questions.

1. Over the years you have claimed multiple visitations from Jesus Christ. However, in Matthew 24:23 & 26, the Jesus of the Bible warned: “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him” and “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.”

Question: In light of what Jesus said and 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, who do you think is right, you or Jesus?

2. On June 7, 2008, you read a “prophetic word” from Wendy Alec publicly to your viewing audience, and said that the “Lord” had spoken to Wendy and that “Jesus Christ” would visit the Lakeland revival “in person” on Sunday, June 8, 2008 ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/WendyAlec1.htm ).

Question: Since the prophecy was a dismal failure, do you feel you should repent and apologize publicly?

3. On page 27 of your January 2008 book, Journey Into The Miraculous, you claim you encountered a giant, muscle-bound “Jesus” during a vision/trance

Question: Does your vision/trance agree or disagree with Isaiah 53:2?

4. On page 67 of your October 2008 book, Kingdom Rising: Making the Kingdom Real in Your Life, you claim that during a mission trip you and your team encountered drug addicts and gangsters while preaching in the ghettos of South Africa ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley13.htm ).

When the gangsters disagreed with you, you state that “I guarantee that if God doesn’t touch you, that I will say that God isn’t real.”

Question: In light of Psalm 10:4, Psalm 14:1, and Psalm 53:1, what are your personal thoughts on your statement?

5. On page 67 of your book, Kingdom Rising: Making the Kingdom Real in

Your Life, you state that “We can preach the Gospel all day long, but that won’t win souls.”

Question: In light of 1 Corinthians 9:19-24, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Timothy 4:1-2, Romans 1:16-17, and Romans 10:14, do you still maintain that “We can preach the Gospel all day long, but that won’t win souls”?

6. Finally, on page 162 of your book, Journey Into The Miraculous, you state that “I thank God for my friendship with Patricia [King], and for how God used her as an instrument to ordain me into the ministry–but I always will know that the call came from God. I’ve since been ordained in Canada by my local church, and through the Christian Minister’s Association. In the U.S., I’m recognized as a minister of the Gospel through World Ministry Fellowship in Texas” ( http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley12.htm ).

But according to a top official from the Christian Ministers Association (CMA), you were not ordained through the CMA, and have never been a member of that association. Also, as of April 7, 2009, your membership “papers” in the World Ministry Fellowship (WMF) were removed.

Question: Are there any current “revelations” or “updates” about your ordinations you care to share?

Thank you, Todd. I look forward to your reply at your earliest possible convenience.

Sincerely in Christ,

Bud Press, Director

Christian Research Service

Jude 3

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Closing comments…

When anyone claims to have visitations from Jesus Christ, it is important for Christians to read, study, and remember what God’s written word has to say about it (please refer to When Will Jesus Christ Return? ).

Despite the overwhelming Biblical evidence against Todd Bentley’s claims, he still maintains that he,

had a trance like vision where I saw the Lord and he came to me in a very personal way. The Lord was preparing me for a season of visitations. At that time, the purpose of these encounters was not yet revealed to me but that a deep time of intimate revelation would come. [“Met the Lord,” The Todd Bentley Blog, http://tinyurl.com/yhh2ue7 ]

To further demonstrate Bentley’s ignorance of Scripture and inability to properly interpret God’s written word, he encourages his followers to “develop a kingdom now mindset,” then wrongfully teaches that,

You too can visit paradise like Paul, or see angels ascending and descending the heavenly ladder as Jacob did, or be taken by the Spirit into visions of God like Elisha. God says, Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place…(Rev. 4:1). How would you like to see the things the Father is doing; not just glimpse, but see into heaven just as Jesus and John did? [The Reality of the Supernatural World, Product Description, http://tinyurl.com/yjc8qtp ]

In the first place, if Todd Bentley were given the ability to gaze into heaven, he wouldn’t see the Father and what the Father is doing (John 4:24; John 1:18; Luke 24:39). No doubt Todd’s trance-filled treks take him to far out places, but it isn’t the Biblical heaven, heavenly angels, God, or the Father he is seeing.

Furthermore, what Bentley and others like him need to realize is that God is against false prophets and those who boast of false visions:

They see falsehood and lying divination who are saying, The LORD declares, when the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word. Did you not see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you said, The LORD declares, but it is not I who have spoken? Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, Because you have spoken falsehood and seen a lie, therefore behold, I am against you, declares the Lord GOD. So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord GOD (Ezekiel 13:6-9).

Claims of visions and one-on-one encounters with “Jesus Christ” occur more frequently and in greater numbers than ever before. Now is the time for Christians to cling tenaciously to God’s written word and be extra-wary of those who come with “visions of Jesus Christ” on their lips.

But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time

(Acts 3:18-21).

The Biblical Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father in heaven interceding for the believer (Romans 8:33-34).

Concerning Todd Bentley’s ordination into the Christian Ministers Association (CMA), and membership with the World Ministry Fellowship (WMF), on October 21, 2009, Christian Research Service contacted officials within the CMA and WMF for an update. Again, Todd Bentley was not ordained through the CMA, and has never been a member of that association. Bentley’s membership in the WMF has not been re-instated.

While we at Christian Research Service await Todd Bentley’s reply to the six simple questions, it is important to note that all false teachers have this in common: they want people to forget what they have said in their articles, books, and public teachings.

Sometimes, no reply is an answer in itself.

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Jesus Appearing?

From killertrumpet

In case we have forgotten-

Todd Bentley reading prophecy given by Wendy Alec (GodTv) in which Jesus says He will come the following night. He never showed up.

Todd yells at God and calls for angels, cheered on by a crowd in the frenzy of demonic deception. They probably showed.

This will probably be my last post on Todd Bentley, at least for now. I put up as much information as I could to warn against the fact that he is getting ready for a return. The word used by him, Rick Joyner and Bill Johnson is “restoration”.  That is a scary notion given the fact that Todd has not changed. The only thing new about him is his wife and his location. He has been primed for this moment and once he gets the podium back more will be led astray and others will continue into deeper deception. I hope and pray you are not one of them.

Todd Bentley’s Holy Spirit Part 2

This is the second section of my take on Todd Bentley’s teaching on the Holy Spirit taken from his website.  Part one can be found here. There is a third teaching on his website, but I have chosen to not bother with it.

Beware!


Restoring Your Spiritual Prime through Intimacy with God: Pt 2

Part 2: “Cherishing the Holy Spirit”
by Todd Bentley

Oh, for the days when I was in my prime,
when God’s intimate friendship blessed my house.
Job 29:4

Commit these truths to heart:
Matthew 7:7; 1 Corinthians 1:9; John 15:13

Introduction

This is Part Two of a three part series. If you missed part one, please click here. Many equate the Holy Spirit with power, rather than with relationship. They call upon Him solely for their needs, for the bestowment of supernatural gifts, or an endowment of supernatural power, and not for intimacy, fellowship, partnership, and relationship as well.  Some believers possess only surface knowledge of the Holy Spirit. They feel they know Him but do not. They have knowledge of Him, but they do not know Him as a friend would know a friend. They do not know what He is feeling, or when He is hurt or offended. They do not understand His emotions, or know His character beyond what is generally taught. They know of His works, of His functions, of His capabilities, but they do not know Who He is—the Person of the Holy Spirit. We are never told the Holy Spirit is our friend in the sense that we can enter into a one on one relationship with Him.  Again, Todd is simplifying the Godhead.

Scripture describes the Holy Spirit as having personal characteristics. The Spirit speaks (Acts 8:29; 10:19; 11:12; 21:11; 1 Tim. 4:1; Heb. 3:7). The Spirit may be spoken to, tested, grieved, insulted, or blasphemed (Acts 5:3, 9; Eph. 4:30; Heb. 10:29; Matt. 12:31). The Spirit sometimes uses the personal pronoun “I” (Acts 10:20; 13:2). The Spirit lives (Rom. 8:11; 1 Cor. 3:16), The Spirit guides, calls, commissions, and intercedes (Rom. 8:14, 26; Acts 13:2; 20:28).

The voice of the Spirit of God is as gentle as a summer breeze — so gentle that unless you are living in Complete Fellowship and Oneness with God, you will never hear it.—Oswald Chambers

Do you desire more of the satisfying life? Jesus said, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water” (John 7:37, 38). John explains Jesus’ words further in verse 39 and tells us that by this [rivers of living water], Jesus meant “the Spirit.” The Holy Spirit is the source of our deepest satisfaction. He quenches our thirst. The Spirit lives! God gave us His Spirit so that we can experience intimacy with Him now. (John 16:13-15).  This is a key scripture in understanding the Holy Spirit which would blow Todd’s teaching out of the water and is probably the reason he didn’t explain it. Read the words of Jesus and hear what He is saying against Todd’s claims:

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth has come He will guide you into all truth, for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak, and He will tell you things to come.

14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is mine and declare it to you.

15 All things that the Father has are Mine.  Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

Clearly Jesus is teaching that He, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are one. The Holy Spirit does not speak on His own authority.  If that is the case, then how can Todd teach the Holy Spirit has His own personality? He does not and here is the proof.  The Holy Spirit takes what is Jesus’ and declares it.  He has nothing of His own separate from that of God.  Not personality, not emotions, not thoughts or ideas. Nothing. He is God’s Spirit. And though Todd is able to call the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God, he is not able to define Him properly.

Our Advantage

“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (John 14:26).

How wonderful it would be to walk with the Savior in the flesh as the disciples did. Imagine three and a half years of close friendship with Jesus. They ate, slept, traveled, studied, and ministered with the Man Jesus. Side-by-side with the Redeemer, they witnessed Him feed the five thousand, raise the dead, and with sometimes just a word, heal the sick and cast out demons. Jesus, before He went away said,

“But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.” (John 16:5–7).

What is an advantage? It is plus and gain, improvement, help, benefit. What was that advantage? It was the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, (paraphrased), “I will send you a Helper and Teacher. He is the Spirit of truth. He proceeds from the Father. He will testify of Me, He will give you more” (John 15:26). No, the scripture does not state the Holy Spirit will give us more. Read it – But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.   End of scripture – there is nothing there said about “giving more.”

The disciples, as they walked with Jesus did not have the “advantage” that we have. They did not yet have the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit. They walked with this Man of flesh, as they walked with their brothers, sisters, or friends. Their hearts were not yet made the spiritual temples God created to enter into. The Holy Spirit had not yet come to fill them. They likely could not feel the glory   (with the exception of the Mount of Transfiguration experience),  as we do.  No, no. Jesus was fully man and fully God. We are not “advantaged” in that the disciples lacked a thing! They had God right there with them in human form – Emmanuel – and clearly the Holy Spirit was there too.

It is clear that Jesus says the Holy Spirit is inside of Him, but that He is also in addition to Him. The Holy Spirit is One just like Jesus (One what, just like Jesus?) and will do in Jesus’ absence what Jesus would do if He were physically with us. Yes, that is the point of His coming AFTER Jesus left the earth. The Holy Ghost is the Greatest Evangelist. No, I don’t think the Holy Spirit is ever described that way in the bible.  It is up to man to preach, to evangelize and the Holy Spirit empowers us to do so. But the Holy Spirit is not the evangelist! He is a helper. He is One who is called alongside. He is Intercessor, Comforter, Helper, Advocate, and Counselor. He is the One who counsels what to do, when to do it, how to do it, whom to pray for, how to pray for, and He provides words of knowledge, and accurate details.  Watch out for this. What accurate details and if we are going on biblical description, where is the one that refers to accurate details?

Relationship!

“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Cor. 13:14).

12The grace (favor and spiritual blessing) of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the presence and fellowship (the communion and sharing together, and participation) in the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen (so be it).  Amplified

12 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.NKJV

In the final words of Second Corinthians chapter 13, Paul wants us to know three things: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion (fellowship) of the Spirit (v.14, emphasis mine). Grace, love, communion! What Paul was saying was “May you have a revelation of the grace of Jesus, the love of God (talking about the Father), and not just revelation of the Holy Spirit, but communion and fellowship with the Holy Spirit.”

Not so, according to Matthew Henry Commentary Volume 6, pages 646-647. This is an apostolic benediction which was usual and proper to dismiss worshiping assemblies. This plainly proves the doctrine of the gospel, and is an acknowledgment that the Father, Son and Spirit are three distinct persons, yet one God.  To live in a continual regard to the three persons in the Trinity, into whose name we were baptized, and in whose name we are blessed. This is a very solemn benediction, and we should give all diligence to inherit this blessing.  The grace of Christ, the love of God and the communion (or communication) of the Holy Ghost; the grace of Christ as Redeemer, the love of God who sent the Redeemer, and all the communications of this grace and love, which come to us by the Holy Ghost.

For Paul to say what he said, he had to have known the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. He was talking about something beyond operating in the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Where is the biblical basis for Todd’s reasoning here? The passage did not say the communion of the Father, or of Jesus, but of the Holy Spirit “May the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.” The word “communion” here is referred to in the Greek text as koininia. Again, the scripture is making a point, the three are one, and each has a place in the life of the believer. There is not a hidden meaning here!

Communion in this context means unity, a close association, fellowship, close bond, or a partnership. The underlying message is sharing. Therefore, Paul was saying then, “May you experience and share the intimate bond, the closeness, the unity, the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.” Paul infers there is something a whole lot deeper to the Holy Ghost and to the anointing and the gifts of the Spirit. He is saying that we can know koininia with Him and alongside of Him.

The Holy Spirit should not be viewed as a separate individual away from the Godhead. Paul is not talking about communication with the Holy Spirit as an individual. He is speaking of communion with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is admonishing those present that the Three are One and should be understood that way.

Todd Bentley is on a rabbit trail of his own making here and is far from the true biblical concept of the Holy Spirit.

I have koininia relationship with the Holy Spirit. I dialogue with Him constantly. We have a bond so close, I cannot even describe it. We share, talk, ask questions of each other, and communicate openly. I ask Him questions and He gives me answers, and vice-versa. There is freedom in our fellowship. He is like a close buddy and confidante and accompanies me everywhere. I keep in step with Him (Galatians 5:25). I do not have to wait for Him to come upon me, or manifest in some way, I just know He is there.

There is no biblical foundation that the Holy Spirit communicates this way. The Holy Spirit is God, not our new best pal. This is an example of a charismaniac’s claim that he has spent so much time with God he has now attained a knowledge of Him that is deeper and more intimate than that of the average believer.

After I read Benny Hinn’s book, Good Morning Holy Spirit, many years ago, I was already filled with the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues, and moving in the gifts of the Spirit, but I began to understand that there was something that I did not have and that was intimacy with the Lord.  Benny Hinn is another false teacher! So, we have the blind leading the blind. I did not know the Holy Spirit beyond the giftings or teachings I had received. I knew His work, and His presence, but I did not know His character. I spent six months delving into every Scripture verse I could find and studied Him in depth. It created a hunger in me to know Him as close as a brother knows a brother, as a husband knows a wife, and I pursued Him with every ounce of strength I possessed. And if that is so true, then how did you make such a mess of this teaching? Could it be that your experience with the demonic has overthrown all of your biblical research?

Time in His Presence

After work, I would lock myself in my room for hours and hours a day. There, I would lift my hands and cry out to Him, “Holy Spirit come—please, I want to know You. The Holy Spirit is promised to all believers. We do not have to ask for Him to come, This is another erroneous belief taught by charismaniacs, to pray for the Spirit to come. He has already come! He is sent by God the Father as we read earlier! I am not satisfied only with Your power. I want to know You more than operate in the gifts.” It is prayers or demands such as this that brings the demon into play. When we step out of being satisfied with what God intended for us to have, and think there is more to know, more to learn and to experience, we have stepped out of His perfect will. Wham, I would be under the power vibrating as though somebody had plugged me into an electrical circuit. I would weep, vibrate, and shake, and the charged atmosphere afterward lingered. Electrical vibrating power is not evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. Again, there is no scripture to support this. Try Galatians 5:22-23, the fruits of the Holy Spirit – kindness, gentleness, self control. This “power surge” Todd equates to God simply is not. Cry out and demand something from God that He is not willing to give, or out of the bound of biblical teaching, do it long enough, and something else will certainly show up. Be very careful to NOT walk in the footsteps of this false teacher. He is creating a desire for you to have what he has, which, my friend, is not something you want to be involved with!

I could not wait to get home after work every day because the Holy Spirit would be there waiting for me. That’s funny. I thought the Spirit of God resided in Todd as a believer. Why would He be “waiting” for him any where?  Not biblical. I was so excited about this relationship, new intimacy, and closeness. Relationship with the Holy Spirit was beyond anything I had encountered, beyond the anointing and the moving in the gifts. As soon as I would open the door to my room, it was as though the Holy Spirit was sitting there like a kid at Christmas waiting for me to get home from work so we could spend time together in His presence.

“Walk prudently when you go to the house of God; and draw near to hear rather than to give the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they do evil” —Ecclesiastes 5:1.  Fitting words of advice for one who gives the sacrifice of fools and practices evil unknowingly!

Knowing who He is requires spending time in His presence and getting to know Him on an intimate level. It is not at all unlike living with a person, such as a wife, husband, or sibling. It is a partnership and a fellowship; we confide, make decisions, encourage, and champion each other! We eat, sleep, talk and have fun together; such is my relationship with the Holy Spirit, my precious Friend. He does not have to tell me when He’s grieved, or touched, I feel and sense it. I encourage Him and champion Him, “I love You, and honor You, Holy Spirit, I love the way Your Presence feels, I love to hear Your voice, I love to wake up in the morning and feel You flow through my body like electricity, I love that!” We make plans, and I will say, “We’re going to Africa, Holy Spirit, isn’t that awesome? I cannot wait to present the Gospel with You. It’s You and I, Holy Ghost, and we’re going to bring signs and wonders to the people!” I often include the Holy Spirit in my Bible time. I just say, “Holy Spirit, look at this verse, look what Jesus did, and You were right there! The blind man’s eyes opened, wow.” This was koininia time.  Todd is not experiencing the presence of the Holy Spirit. We are not told anything about Him having emotions or that we will experience, feel or sense His emotions. What is this “championing” thing?  God needs encouragement now? More electrical currents. Not God. No way.

Yes, God is with us always, but the manifest presence of God is Whom we seek in intimacy. Wrong. Well, only partly if you are seeking intimacy with a demon. Fellowship and partnership with the Holy Spirit is heaven touching earth in the natural plane of our lives. Whatever that means, but it sounds New Agey to me, heaven touching earth in the natural plane…????

A “With You” Presence

“You know Him. For He dwells with you and will be in you” (John 14:17b)

The Holy Spirit is with us and in us. This “with us” presence is the communion, the koininia. We already know that the Holy Spirit is within us, but do we really understand that He is with us? One day, I opened the door of my apartment to leave, and I felt His presence with me. His presence followed me down the hall and into the elevator, and out of the building. Sometimes as I drive, I will sense someone has joined me, and discover He is sitting sidesaddle with me and I will suddenly become overwhelmed with joy.

Paul Yonggi Cho is the pastor of the world’s largest church of almost a million people, in South Korea. He claims that he does not do anything without the Holy Spirit. In fact, this is his greatest revelation.

It is amazing how everything in the Bible revolves around the Person of the Holy Ghost. Creation did not even happen without Him. God sent forth His Spirit and created. The Holy Spirit was involved in creating and sustaining all life (Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4; 34:14). He was involved throughout Jesus’ life, too. Jesus did not do anything without Him. The Spirit caused His conception (Matt. 1:2), descended on Him at His Baptism (Matt. 3:16), led Him into the desert (Luke 4:1), and anointed and gave Him power to preach the Gospel (Luke 4:18). Jesus drove out demons by the Spirit (Matt. 12:28), and even died on the Cross with Him (Heb. 9:14). That same Holy Spirit raised him raised from the dead (Rom 8:11). Not one thing in Jesus’ life took place without the Holy Spirit. Not one miracle. Not His birth, not His ministry, not His death. The Holy Spirit was with Him always. Jesus was completely dependant on Him. Jesus was a Man as totally dependant upon God as we are. He was tempted in every way as we are. The only thing different that Jesus had that we do not is total dependence, obedience, brokenness, and yieldedness to the Holy Ghost. That same Spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead lives in and with us and we are invited to know Him intimately. How sweet is that?

O Cherish Him!

John 14:15 says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” Why? The answer is in the very next verse, and it is because: “I am about to send you another helper” (paraphrased, v. 16). Listen, Jesus is about to pray for the Holy Ghost to come, but the first thing He says before the Holy Ghost comes is to keep His commandments, because the key to more of the Holy Spirit manifesting in your life is obedience. In order for this other Helper to help, we have to keep God’s commandments. That is a twist on what Jesus said which is IF we love Him we will keep His commandments and then He goes on to say He will send the Helper, the Holy Spirit, which is not the same as what Todd says. We don’t get the Holy Spirit because we keep the commandments. If that were true there would have been no need of Jesus’ death and resurrection.

“Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you saying ‘This is the way; walk in it.’” —Isaiah 30:21 I find it strange that Todd throws in these scriptures from time to time that have nothing to do with what he is actually saying. Maybe it makes him look more spiritual to his deceived followers.

The more yielded, emptier, broken, and obedient we can become, the more the power of the Holy Spirit can flow in our lives. This is only half true. The more yielded we are to God and His will, the more He can work in our lives. This is different than Todd’s claim of more power. He is wrong in that. His power is the same for all of us. My Holy Ghost is not different from Jesus’. Jesus does not have a Holy Spirit!!  The Holy Spirit IS Jesus, IS God!  I do not have a smaller Holy Ghost than He did. He is putting Jesus on the same level as man, a method of creating a God of understanding, one that is convenient, rather than understanding God. My children’s Holy Ghost is not a junior Holy Ghost. What are junior are our levels of dependence, obedience, and yieldedness. Our shortcomings in those areas are a form of godliness that denies the power. The Holy Spirit cannot penetrate our lives in power if we deny it.  More strange statements not supported by scripture. God knows that we are weak sinners and chose to work with us anyway!

The Holy Spirit is twenty-four-hour-a-day God consciousness. Not biblical. The Holy Spirit is many things to us, guide, comforter, etc. but at no time is He ever referred to as a 24 hour God consciousness. He brings back what was lost in the Garden with Adam because of sin. Not true!  And Todd should know better here. Jesus Christ died for our sin, and it was the work of the cross that restores the relationship between God and man, upon our repentance of course! He does what Jesus would have done in His place. Jesus Christ had His specific work as does the Holy Spirit. They are not substitutes for the other. But the Holy Spirit multiplies it, that’s why Jesus said that it is to our advantage that the Holy Spirit comes. Multiplies what? Jesus didn’t say the Holy Spirit was coming to multiply anything! Sounds like one of Kim Clement’s rants.
The Holy Spirit’s Emotions
The Holy Spirit has feelings and emotions. There are things that grieve Him, wound Him, and hurt Him. We are warned about grieving the Holy Sprit, but we are not given scripture that the Holy Spirit has emotions. Likewise, there are things that cause Him to laugh and bring Him great pleasure. The Holy Spirit is the sensitive communicator of the emotion of God. He is sensitive, emotional (in a wonderful way!), expressive, passionate, responsive, open, and quick to respond. He loves to be “romanced,” loves intimacy, and loves to be loved and told that He is loved often. Even though He knows we love Him, He yearns to hear it over and over again. Nope. We are not told the Holy Spirit is emotional or responsive to emotion or that we are to romance Him! This is intimacy gone wrong.

The Holy Spirit knows that you know that He is there, and He knows that you are there, Good because He is God, so I am glad to know He knows I am here. but He still wants you to acknowledge Him, think of Him, honor Him, cherish Him, woo Him, and be attentive to Him. Not only when you need Him for something; but simply because you want to be in His company; with Him, near Him. He deserves special treatment…your intimate, undivided attention. He desires koininia with you and asks, “How much do you love Me?” God wants us to spend time with him, but we are not told to spend time with the Holy Spirit or “woo” Him or give Him attention in the manner Todd is describing.
Grieving and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit
Most married men I know are protective of their wives. If someone says or does something wrong toward their wives; that protectiveness kicks in faster than you can say “Methuselah.” God the Father and Jesus are protective of the Holy Spirit in much the same way, because the Holy Spirit is the one who gets hurt, wounded, or grieved, they watch out for Him all of the time. WHAT?  Where does he get this idea that God and Jesus protect the Holy Spirit?

“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also”—Matthew 6:21.
The “With You” Presence

The Bible says in Ephesians 4:30, not to grieve the Holy Spirit. It means, do not wound Him, do not hurt Him, and do not cause Him pain. No, this is not what it means. In this context we look at the verse prior which is about speaking. We are told to not grieve the Holy Spirit with our words in dealing with others. Our words should reflect the way we are taught to live. Only someone with feelings can be wounded or hurt and experience pain. The Holy Spirit does not feel pain the way a man would. Again, Todd has put God on man’s level. One way not to grieve Him is to realize who or what He is not. The Holy Spirit is not an “it.” It  grieves the Holy Spirit when we do what is contrary to His holy nature. He is not a power, and He is not an anointing. He is not “the gift” of the Holy Spirit, (funny, earlier in this writing Todd said the Holy Spirit IS a gift!) He is not revival, He is not the shaking, and He is not the falling over. No, He is not the shaking and falling over because these are not actions of our God! He is a person whom you can hurt, wound, and grieve. He is the ‘with you’ presence.
Isaiah 63:10 tells us “They [children of Israel] rebelled and grieved [vexed] His Holy Spirit, so He turned Himself against them as an enemy and He fought against them.” God as an enemy is a serious ramification, and we are not to take this lightly. The word vexed means tormented. The Israelites grieved Him; caused Him hurt, pain, wounded and tormented Him. Todd reads into the scripture meaning that is not there. Of course God is grieved when we rebel but Todd is using this scripture to prove what? That we are responsible for changing God’s emotions by “wooing” or “championing” Him?

To understand the importance of the Holy Spirit to the Father, imagine the Holy Spirit as the emotions of the Godhead. He is the one Who expresses feeling. He is the mushy gushy. No. He is not the mushy gushy. He is not the ooey gooey Love God as we are told to love the Lord with all our hearts and SOULS and MINDS. We can’t just carve out the love part of it and be done, there is much more and it all ties together! You cannot feel the love of God without Him, nor can you feel His presence without the Holy Ghost. Okay, where is scripture does it say we feel the presence of God? This is another place of danger – the physical presence of feeling God. You cannot even say that Jesus is Lord without Him. He is the one who enables us to feel God’s presence and hear His voice, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says” (Rev. 2:7). Everything comes through the Spirit. The Spirit is the communicator of the voice of God and the emotion of God. That is why God and Jesus are so protective. Again, this body guard thing! Where does it say in the bible that God and Jesus protect the Holy Spirit? There is something so precious, dear, and wonderful about Him. They do not want Him wounded and grieved. The word grieve means to cause pain, torment, and wounding.  Do not do that to the Holy Ghost. Do not wound Him. Bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking grieve Him (Eph. 4: 31). Kindness toward one another, tender-heartedness, forgiving one another even as God in Christ forgave you (v. 32) pleases Him immensely. So does right teaching, Todd!
Protecting the Holy Spirit
The Father and Jesus are so protective of the Holy Ghost, that the Bible tells us that the one unpardonable sin is to blaspheme against Him (Mark 3:28, 29). It is the one and only sin without forgiveness. It is not blasphemy against the Father, or the Son, but against the Holy Ghost. What sets Him apart? Why Him? Why so protective over His emotions? The bible does not state that the warning against blasphemy is to protect against the emotions of the Holy Spirit, but it does say, and Todd is right, that it will NOT be forgiven.

The Holy Spirit is a revelator. He is the revealer. He reveals to you the love of God.
“Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor. 12:3b).
The Spirit comes and manifests to you the love that Jesus has for you.  This is NOT what the quoted scripture says, so why does he throw it out there as though it does? He manifests to you the love and the forgiveness that is in the Father because Jesus satisfied the holy wrath that was in the Father demanding that sins be paid for.  Upon man’s repentance! That is why the Holy Spirit is so precious that God tells us not to grieve Him. That is why the Father is so protective of the Holy Ghost. And, that is why Jesus said that every blaspheme against the Father, every blaspheme against the Son shall be forgiven, but not against the Holy Ghost. We aren’t told the “why” in this, only that it will not be forgiven.

It is sad, but some of us use the Holy Spirit. We just want the Holy Ghost and His anointing because of what those things can do for us or our ministries, the miracles, the giftings, and the prophecies that are going to open doors and opportunities for us.  This sounds like he believes the Holy Spirit is required to work in these ministries. He is not. We cannot “use” Him as He is not at our beck and call. We are using the Holy Spirit. Stop! This grieves Him. We need to become His resting place.  Another statement that does not make sense.  I thought God is OUR resting place!

Gentle as a Dove
“Then he sent out a dove from him, to see if the water was abated from the face of the land; but the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, so she returned to him into the ark; for the water was on the surface of all the earth. Then he put out his hand and took her, and brought her into the ark to himself. So he waited yet another seven days; and again he sent out the dove from the ark. And the dove came to him toward evening; and behold, in her beak was a freshly picked olive leaf. So Noah knew that the water was abated from the earth” (Gen. 8:8-11, NAS).

The so called teaching in this section is so bizarre it is hard to determine what he is trying to say, and harder to straighten out.

Think of the nature of the dove. They are gentle, and peaceful in the natural, and then, whoosh they fly away when something disturbs or startles them. Here is another contradiction. Todd claims the Holy Spirit is gentle, which we know is true as He is described that way in the bible. Why then, does he believe that the same Holy Spirit would cause him such wild physical manifestations that are far from gentle!  This does not make sense! If we want the Holy Spirit to rest on us with the olive leaf, then we have to stop sinning, stop grieving, and stop hurting the Holy Spirit. I don’t see a real connection between the story above and the Holy Spirit with an olive leaf. I don’t think there is one. The olive leaf in the story was to show the water had receded, exactly how the scripture explains it. So, I don’t know where Todd is picking up on some spiritual meaning here! Every time we sin, whoosh, the Holy Spirit lifts. He does not depart from us, but the manifest presence does. I don’t know of a scripture that teaches we have 2 types of presence of the Holy Spirit, but this is a familiar teaching with charismaniacs. In addition, the Holy Spirit is not some weak, flighty scared bird that will “fly away” at the first presence of sin. The “with you” presence flies away, figuratively speaking. If we want the Holy Spirit to rest, we have to avoid quick movements, those quick movements that fulfill our flesh. More strangeness. Why would He leave from a “quick movement’? Do you want to be a resting place for the Holy Spirit? Do you want the Holy Spirit, the dove of God to rest on you with that olive leaf in His mouth? Why does He need this leaf in His mouth? Fall in love with Jesus and have an encounter with the Holy Spirit, because if you truly know the Holy Spirit, you will become quickly convicted and aware of those things that startle, wound, or hurt Him. No, the true message of the gospel is to recognize that you are a sinner separated from God  and in need of Jesus Christ. Repent and turn your life over to Jesus. Then, the Lord will send the Holy Spirit who will comfort you, teach you and guide you into all truth. (minus the olive leaf)  There is nothing scriptural about “falling in love with” Jesus, although we do love Him! (We love Him because He first loved us! 1 John 4:19)  It is curious that Todd has this idea that the Holy Spirit can be hurt like a person hurts.  This just is not true biblically. God does grieve and is saddened, in our bad behavior and sin, but let’s get this into perspective!

Wooing the Holy Spirit
Ignoring the Holy Spirit, grieves Him. Let us say I come over to your house and you lead me to the couch and say that you love me and that we are friends. I sit there all day long, and you know I am there, but you run around and do all the things that you need to do in your house, with barely a glance my way. You do not acknowledge I am there, even though you know in your busyness that I am. How would you feel if I invited you over to my house and did the same thing? This is the tendency of the Church with the Holy Spirit. We say, “Come Holy Spirit, come into my church and sit in that pew right there. When I need the anointing, a prophetic word, power or blessing, I’ll call on you, but until then, just sit.”

The Holy Spirit loves romance and loves to hear that you love Him. It is not enough to acknowledge that He is inside of you, but that He is with you. He wants that eye-to-eye and heart-to-heart close contact. He wants the intimacy. He knows that you love Him but wants to hear it. “Not to us, O Lord, not to us but to your name be the glory, because of your love and faithfulness.” —Psalm 115:1
He wants to hear you say, “Holy Spirit, I love You, Come on over, sit with me!”  Again, we are not taught in scripture to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit, much less treat Him as tho we are in a romance together. Intimacy is important, but it must be appropriate! And there are some who have crossed this line even worse than Todd’s teaching. Beware!
Note from the Ministry Team: This is Part Two of a multi-part teaching, and we invite you to visit our website often, or sign up to receive the remainder of this teaching by email. As always, know that we are praying for you, and particularly as you identify those things in your life that keep you from spending quality time with the Precious Holy Spirit! We love you, and we cherish you! Available in our resource center, Todd’s “Marinating…Pickling in God’s Presence” soaking CD, which is sure to take you into the glory and presence of God! Pickling, another word for “intoxication or being drunk in the spirit.”  Not something taught in the Word of God.
“God who has called you into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ our Lord is faithful.” —1 Corinthians 1:9

“Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends” —John 15:13.

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you” —Matthew 7:7.

Whew! There you have the confused, extra-biblical teachings of a heretic. Beware.

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Todd Bentley’s Holy Spirit

This teaching on the Holy Spirit by Todd Bentley is taken directly off his new website.  It is three sections; however, I am only working with the first two. If you want to read the third you will need to go directly to his website. I have left the original work intact, so not to violate his precious copyright, and gone through it line by line. First to show you his error and why I warn against him, and second to show you how easy it is to spot false teaching with a little effort.  The first clue to a false teaching is how closely is sounds to the word of God. Close but not quite there, and not quite there makes it false.  I believe that trusting in and supporting false doctrine will lead to demonic possession.

This is part one of two.

Restoring Your Spiritual Prime through Intimacy with God

Part 1 – The “US” Team
by Todd Bentley

Commit these truths to heart:
Genesis 3:22; John 14:16, 17; John 17:3; 1 John 5:8; 1 Corinthians 2:4, 5; 2 Corinthians 13:14;

Oh, for the days when I was in my prime, when God’s intimate friendship blessed my house. – Job 29:4

Introduction

This is by no means a full study on the Person of the Holy Spirit—it is just an appetizer to whet your appetite for intimacy with Him. The Word of God, time spent with Him, and time spent with God chasers who know and love Him will grow you in the knowledge of our Precious Spirit of God. I have written this especially for those who have already asked Jesus into their hearts as personal Lord and Savior, believing that God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son, that whosever believes in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life (see John 3:16). But my heart is that you do know Jesus if you haven’t yet surrendered your life to Him, because once you do, Jesus has a gift waiting for you—the precious Holy Spirit! He will teach, counsel, lead, guide, and love on you as no other, and He will draw you into His radical fiery love. I have a great message about how to know Jesus on my ministry website, www.freshfireusa.com. As you grow in intimacy, mature in the Word, you will come to experience Him and the Holy Spirit will reveal Jesus to your heart, the heart of the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father and their affection for you. You do know that God loves you, right?

This section about salvation is so right on that it baffles me how exactly he can get the rest of it so goofed up.  I wonder if he is the actual author or if others write for him under his name. There are many contradictions in this document. At one point towards the ending of part two much of it reads more like a six year old was speaking than it did a teaching of a grown man. H becomes very focused on the emotions and pain experienced by the Holy Spirit and some strange idea that God and Jesus are protectors of Him. It is full of confusion and mixed thoughts and ideas with very little clarity, even for a false teaching.

Todd is way off in his understanding of the Holy Spirit which gives explanation as to why he is so off in his ministry. I am sorry to say, and I am sure it is of no surprise to most of us, but saved or not he is under the influence of a demonic presence. This explains the bizarre behavior and methods he attributed to the leading of the Holy Spirit at Lakeland last year and other occurrences throughout his ministry.

His upcoming “come-back” scheduled for Sept 10 via the computer is the reason I am putting out so much information about him. Many have been deceived and will continue to be unless someone pulls the wool off their eyes, so to speak. His website, the videos, and teachings such as this one proves that he is the same old Todd, given to the same false and dangerous ideas as he’s always had.



Now, More Than Ever Before

Jesus said in Luke chapter 12 that it is the Father’s desire to give His children the Kingdom. If that was true then, how could it be different today? Actually, we should probably be moving in even greater levels of intimacy with the Father as we see the burgeoning and urgent need for demonstrations of the power of God so much more.

I have designed this teaching to spur you to intimacy, and to encourage you to seek to deepen your own personal relationship with God’s Radiant Glory. Where are we told that we are to have a relationship with God’s GLORY?

As you pursue friendship and spend time with Him, you will be able to recognize His presence, His voice, and His instruction, and will experience an increase in the release of Holy Spirit power and boldness in testifying of God’s love, and in ministering the gift and grace of salvation and healing to others. Jesus Himself said “And this is eternal life, that they may know [experience] Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent” (John 17:3).  We know God through His word, not through an experience and this scripture does not use the word “experience”, Todd has added that in to make is point.

I believe that the Holy Spirit is urging us to believe and trust God for a deeper relationship than ever before that will see us pressing in and ahead in love with God to release the power of the Kingdom in the earth!  We’ve seen what Todd’s pressing in has done for the Kingdom.

Growing in love with God by His Spirit is the most precious, exciting, refreshing, and exhilarating experience that I have ever known apart from the first blush love experience of salvation. Blush love? The word blush described in Websters as a rosiness in the cheeks caused from shame, guilt or embarrassment. Sound like something of God’s doing? NO

Whoa, thank You Precious Lord! If this teaching compels you to dive deeper into the waters of grace through relationship and communion with the very Spirit of God, and experience all that, praise God! If because of that intimacy, you do experience a greater release of the power of God in your life and in ministry to others, Praise God and Amen!

He is my Best Friend and the Love of My Life and it is an honor to introduce Him to you as an intimate friend. Excuse me?  Todd is not responsible, nor is any person, for introducing the believer to the Holy Spirit, God does that! Your friendship with Him may look a little different from mine, but trust that He will meet your heart’s yearnings in ways you cannot imagine, and He will never disappoint you. Treat Him well; be kind and gentle, and generous with your time. He is so precious. Todd makes Him sound like a new pet.

The “US” Team

How would you describe your Christian life? Are you satisfied with it, or do you hunger for more in your relationship with God? Chances are if you have experienced the Person of the Holy Spirit, you will want more because each encounter only scrapes the surface of what we can encounter in the glory of God,  God does not share his glory with man, we do not encounter it. no matter how much the Holy Spirit saturates us with His presence. Even more than you desire His presence, His heart yearns to commune with you and cries out, “Don’t go away—don’t be satisfied without My presence!”  The Holy Spirit dwells within us. How can he “go away”?

The apostle Paul writes, “The [intimate fellowship] of the Holy Spirit be with you” (2 Cor. 13:14),  my bible reads GRACE, not intimate fellowship and that’s precisely the key to an increasingly satisfying Spirit-filled life, a life hungry and desperate for encounters with and intimate knowledge of the Holy Spirit. Desperate for a relationship with God and to know God is a good thing. But watch out before you cross the line as we are not taught in the bible to be desperate for an “encounter” or “intimate knowledge” of the Holy Spirit. We are only given so much knowledge and many things God has hidden from us that are not for us to know.  This desperation can lead your right into a demonic playground full of false visions and experiences not of God the Father!  And false teachers like Todd Bentley will convince you, as he has himself that you are encountering the Holy Spirit. You are not. Read the bible to find out who the Holy Spirit is and His function in the life of a believer. Be careful!

“And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one” (1 John 5:8).

The three that bear record in heaven are not three Gods, but three in One, and each are an expression of God: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. To know God is to know there are three Persons in the Godhead. To know God is to know the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. To know God is to understand that God is three Personalities, and in order to grasp His fullness, we have to have intimacy and communion, and relate to each one. To grasp the understanding of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, read about them in the word of God! Though they are the same in unity and purpose, and do everything in oneness, they are still three Persons. As Christians, we seek to know God the Father, and God the Son, but in seeking the Holy Spirit, we tend to seek only the power and infilling He offers and provides, and not the relationship. We are not told to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit. He is God. The relationship given to us is with the Father, through the Son and the Holy Spirit is our guide, our counselor, and comforter and teacher. But we are not told to pursue a relationship with the Holy Spirit. Through our time getting to know the Father, we learn through the Son, that He is not a God in heaven with a gavel hammering down judgment.   OH? God has not given up His place as a righteous Judge, and judge He will! Instead, we learn more of His character and come to know Him as Abba Daddy Father. He is our Father because of salvation, not because we have designed some way of coming to “know” Him. We can come to know the Father even more intimately by coming to know the character and Person of the Holy Spirit as well. Wrong again. The Holy Spirit is no less significant than the Father or Jesus, He is equal to them, and we must know the fullness of the Holy Spirit as fully as we know the Father and Jesus. I know and love all of my children the same, yet each have different and separate personalities that I have to take the time to get to know. They each have distinct characteristics and ways of expressing themselves. So it is true in the Godhead, three Persons, each different, but all equal in power. One does nothing apart from the other. The Godhead cannot be explained as though three children.  Each person of the Godhead IS God.  Each child is a separate person – not the same and not a good measure to use for comparison.

Jesus told his disciples that they have seen the Father as they have seen Him. He is called “Emmanuel, God with us”! He sent the Holy Spirit to abide with us, but the Holy Spirit does not work of his own. He does not have his own personality, but the personality and characteristics of God. Jesus said “he will take what is mine and reveal it to you”.  This is a great mystery that we can only understand in part. Be careful, Todd is putting God on a level with man.

Creation

All three Persons of the Godhead were involved in our creation. Genesis 1:26a reveals, “God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness’.” This infers that it wasn’t just the Father. If “God” said, then the Holy Spirit, the Father, and Jesus all decided at the same time, in effect, “Hey! Let’s make man in Our image.” Again, we have an account in Genesis 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, “Behold the man has become like one of Us.” Who’s us? Again, it is one God, but three Persons. It’s “Us.” In Genesis 11:7, the “Us,” the three-in-One are referenced again, “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language.”

It is teamwork. They were a team from the very beginning, and they are a team in our salvation. To explain, let me paraphrase what happened. The Father demanded payment for sin, and Jesus said, “I’ll pay for it” and the Holy Ghost said, “Not without me.” In effect, the Father said, “I miss the fellowship that I had with Adam and Eve. I miss being able to go down and walk in the cool of the day with them. I miss the intimacy and the glory that we shared. Do you know what? Now I am angry and My holy wrath demands justice on sin because the wages of sin is death. I need something to take the payment and the atonement for these people that I so desire to commune with. I have to have justice even at the same time I desire fellowship. But if I were to go to fellowship with them now, My fire would consume them.” Not exactly so, since God had a relationship with man before the death and resurrection of Jesus. He was very close to Moses and Noah, and Abraham, etc.

Then Jesus all of a sudden stands ?? and says, “Father, I’ll go. Because I love You, Father, and because I see the aching of Your heart for Your people. Father, I will go to the earth. I will suffer, die, and become the atonement for all those so that they can be restored into the likeness and the image of Us, and have that intimacy with You that You miss.”  It is believed that God had this plan going on way before the fall back before the very foundation of the world.  It wasn’t something they just all “came up with” like a plan B.  God knows all things and knew that man would fall in the garden and would need a savior. Hence the prophecy in Genesis 3.

But the Holy Spirit interjects and says, “Uh-uh, uh-uh uh, You’re not going Jesus, unless I go too.”What a cute scenario. Where is THIS conversation in the infallible word of God?? Besides, the Holy Spirit did exist as the third person of the trinity, He did not indwell in the believer until AFTER Jesus left the earth. So the “Us” team have a conference and make the decision together to restore fellowship and bring us back to the place where we could taste of their glory. NO  – we do not taste of the Lord’s glory. And, this same Person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit who worked alongside the Father and Jesus in creating you, invites you to know Him beyond knowing His power.
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of Truth …You know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. —John 14: 16, 17

Summary

Life is so full and busy for all of us, but the call of God toward intimacy also increases. Nothing trumps an intimate love relationship with God! He is jealous, yes, jealous for your affection (see Exodus 34:14), Let’s go there and read it – for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. Nothing said here about an intimate love relationship or affection, but a command to worship God for He is Jealous! and does not want contenders for your heart! In Part Two, we will explore the Person of the Holy Spirit, and why He is so precious and vital to us.  The Holy Spirit is not to be treated as a separate person. He is not to be called on, prayed to, or commanded. He is God. In the meantime, I challenge you to identify the contenders that vie for your affection, those little foxes that busy you away from God, and think of, even list on a piece of paper so that you won’t forget,  ways to construct your life to accommodate a passionate pursuit of fellowship with Him! Those who know His name will lean on and confidently put their trust in Him. The Lord will not forsake those who seek Him! (see Psalm 42:1).

Continued in part 2.

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Danger Looming – The Blog of Todd Bentley

Todd Bentley has done so much damage to the Word of God and all that is Christianity that I want to offer the same to him – rip and tear – here’s my take on his blog-

Out of fairness to blogging rules, here is the link, as much as I hate to post the demonic thing on my blog, but rules are rules. Ho hum.

http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog/

From Aug 17

As many of you know, I have been busy training hard in the gym and want to be in the best shape of my life in the next season of Revival.

The next season of revival. Here it comes. If at first you do not succeed, lie, lie again. Someone call Bob Jones and get a ruling on this to find out if the next season will be called the 4th Wave.

I have been very consistent and determined in losing weight and gaining healthy muscle mass.

The better to kick you with, my dear…

This reminds me of prisoners who have nothing else to do but pump iron all day long to better attack the guards when the rioting comes.

Instead of running to a fast food restaurant, I now run on a treadmill and instead of sneaking veggies to the dogs, I am now eating them! Lol!

…eating the dogs would not surprise me coming from a man who kicks those who are about to die and worshiping grandmothers in the face…

My trip to Kansas City was very refreshing. We attended World Revival Church for 3 days and it was truly encouraging and witnessed a real hunger, fire, and high praise and many testimonies of lives changed. I have felt a true spirit of Revival.

There’s that word again – revival.

We ended our time at IHOP by soaking to Misty Edwards live. There is a true mature and tangible presence of Holy Spirit.

What does that mean exactly? A true mature presence of the holy spirit. I didn’t realize the spirit of the living God had to mature, so he must mean the presence of the other spirit he calls God.

I think that Kansas City BBQ is the best in the world! Haha!

Hmmm..in case your personal trainer forgot to tell you before your big summer vacation, bbq is off the menu for those in training, Todd.

Am I picking on Todd and his blog? Yes. I’m trying to find a way to get through the “copyright” infringement without breaking the law. But honestly, I don’t see how a man who dissects and twists the Word of God the way Todd Bentley does can be protected by copyright. The whole concept does not sit well with me. I don’t see how he can be protected by anything under the law. But, as he twisted his way into America I guess he can use the laws of my country to gain his advantage

…to better manipulate you, my dear.

But, that’s why I am here. Let’s go back in his blog a little and I will show you somethin’.

From 5/23

The purpose of my blog is to share with you my personal thoughts, feelings, status, revelations, and updates on the ministry and restoration. Take the time to stay updated on the restoration process with Rick Joyner as the videos are featured here on the website.  Many of you have been faithful friends and loyal partners both in prayers and finances over the years. Please continue to stand with us.

Continue to stand – meaning keep sending your money…

At this time you may be asking, “What is Todd Bentley doing?” My main focus is rest and intimacy with Jesus. I have much time for prayer and meditation, enjoying reading many books, and studying the Word. Oh and don’t worry! I am having lots of fun too! There is a theme park five minutes from my house.

This is what your “contributions to his ministry” or as he called it “your stand” is doing for Todd.  You work, he plays. After all, the theme park is only 5 minutes away! Consider, your jobs, your family time, what it takes to get by day to day, all of your responsibilities. How much time do you have to do the things Todd does?

Um, if Todd had really spent all the time with God he claimed to during Lakeland, as he is again claiming here, he would not have been so inclined to fool around with someone he was not married to!  But, the divorce situation, bad as it may be, is only a smoke screen to get our attention off the fact this man, and those who endorse and promote him are steeped in false doctrine!

This is a key to false teachers, evangelists and prophets. They are all about telling us, the little people, how much time they spend with the Lord; how intimate they are with the Lord, and out of intimacy comes – yes – those coveted dreams and visions and trips to the throne room or the third heaven, that are oh, so important to our understanding as little people!! For God has sent them on this special mission to impart these revelations to us, the little people who have no focus, no passion, and no revelation! They say to “Do what I do and you will see what I see”, and…(watch yourself be seduced away to an intimate relationship with a demon!)

From 5/27

God has been speaking to me about mercy. We need it!

The last 10 months has been one of the most difficult trials for me. I have been overwhelmed at how much Jesus loves us. Even when we blow it. God’s reassuring love and grace meets me again and again. Honestly, through this season of restoration, I have feared that the judgment of God and embraced His discipline. I remember days where Ive questioned if God would qualify me again as a leader because of His holiness, His righteousness, and justice. To be frank, I came quite short of the character required of a leader.

Recently in Prayer God Spoke to me out of Isaiah 30:18 NKJ

“Therefore the Lord will wait, that He may be gracious to you;
And therefore he will be exalted, that He may have mercy on you.
For the Lord is a God of justice; Blessed are those who wait for Him.”

Sometimes when we expect judgment, God manifests His justice in goodness and mercy.  As it implies in the verse above, God’s justice and mercy are exalted in the Lord being gracious to you. The Bible goes on to promise in the same chapter, in the 20th verse, that though the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, God will restore you to His favor again.

Isn’t that sweet?  A God of goodness and mercy…with no consequences for sin!  And here is a nice scripture to prove what he claims is right on. Finally achieved – a true god of our own understanding.

Please understand that Todd is not repentant. And that is key for us to receive God’s mercy and grace.  Just because Todd seems to have gotten away with so many things, does not mean he has escaped judgment – not at all.  Just because Rick Joyner and Bill Johnson have made Todd their pet joint project for “restoration” does not mean Todd has been called of God into ministry. He has not.

And notice how he included his readers  – “when we expect judgment” – so that you will identify with the fact that you are fallen just as he is, and who are you to pass judgment?? Don’t be fooled by this!  Let me take this one step further. This is a trick by Bill Johnson who was all about “Grace, Grace!!” when Todd was found out!  I guess you could say that Johnson literally played the devil’s advocate! These are one sided messages having nothing to do with the fullness of God’s word and the purpose of repentance!!! They do not want to admit they were wrong about Todd, so they have taken it to another angle to a twisted and out of concept scripture! And yes, I do mean out of concept! God is not fooled by this, neither should you be!

Todd Bentley is using the word of God for his own gain. He is not repentant! If he had been, he would not be in the situation he is now. The teaching on his web site, which I will get to, proves he has not changed one bit. He just wants us to think that everything is A-OK with the big guy upstairs so he can continue his demonic charade.

Remember, in charismania, the leaders all want us, the little people, to believe they have received special revelation, wisdom and understanding, and even a special anointing that we have not, that is necessary to take us to another level of teaching. Don’t listen. Go back to the word of God because the Holy Spirit who resides within you as a true born again believer will guide you into all truth!  These are the very words of Jesus!

I will continue my blogging when I attack his teachings on the Holy Spirit in which the rubber meets the road! In the meantime, you may want to read my article linked below in which I did my own research comparing the claims of the charismania holy spirit and the one taught about in the bible.

Until then, may the Lord give you eyes to see and ears to hear!  Ephesians 1:17-19

Holy Spirit Manifestations

Danger Looming – The Return of Todd Bentley

Todd Bentley Comeback video here

-via his pal Rick Joyner  – and Todd again under the guise of “Christian” ministry as Fresh Fire Ministries is up and burnin’ hot as hell.

It’s a computer comeback!!!  Time to get those old smelly feet in the proverbial water to test it out.  The wade-in is scheduled for September 10. I’m surprised it’s taken as long as it has, as I expected it much sooner than this.

The first 1500 people to sign up get a chance to be up close and personal with Todd to ask those deep, dark questions they always wanted the answers to! Here’s a chance for more lies and deception as Todd the opportunist makes the most of this one and makes his way back up the ladder via those who supported him the most!

Rick and Todd promised for this time of questioning NO ministry and NO cash begging as this time of deception is a free for all!  Hehe. It’s like the drug dealer in the back alley who finds his greatest addict is about to get clean. One more time, for free and you’ll be reeled right back in like a dead, lifeless fish.

Truthfully, I did not watch all of the announcement video, just long enough for a few details to get the warning out.  And long enough to hear about his summer vacation with his kiddies as he had a great and busy one taking them to amusement parks and such. Nothing wrong with that except for the fact that he more than likely paid for the fun from the donations to his “ministry”.

If you believed in Todd, trusted in Todd as a man of god, prayed for his restoration, were ever touched by his ministry of demonic impartation this day is for you! The man of maniacal laughter and spiritual drunkenness is returning.   And you better believe the Most High God is not the god this man is after!  You better repent and warn those you love and care about because if this crazy man gets a platform again who knows what will break out. Oh, and it will NOT be the Holy Spirit we know as the third person of the trinity as Joyner claims. But, it will be their (un)holy spirit – the one of fools and drunkenness.

Spiritual Drunkenness

How about this one – Rodney Howard Browne as he is known as the holy spirit bartender along with Patricia King and her heavenly wine vats. Drink, drink, drink.  If you ever watched Todd Bentley in Lakeland, FL last year,  and his worship guy, Roy,  you would have heard about the getting drunk and drinking comments and how they connect it with the anointing of the holy spirit, claiming “belly up to the bar!” or “the bar is open!”  What abominations to a Holy God they claim to represent! They do not!

Even Todd in his “Marinating” CD spoke of drinking from God.  Crazy lies. So the connection is not only between people and places, (as I showed in the Lakeland Electrocution Impartation) but connecting people with spiritual drinking. You know, drunk in the spirit. Now we have a name for it and it’s ok to accept this craziness, cuz, God is powerful and anything can happen. So, out goes the discernment, the word of God and let’s all judge by our experiences and yippee, we are all having such a great time!  Yes, there is an “anointing” and “impartation” taking place of a spirit alright, but it is NOT the Holy Spirit connected with the Most High God, the one who will judge all men! Ever heard of Baachus, God of wine and mystic frenzy, ecstatic trances??  Sound familiar Patricia King?

If you are part of this and are having a good time you better heed this warning and run for your bibles to check these claims against the true word of God. Because after the party comes the hangover.  Peter in Acts 2:15 proclaimed they were NOT drunk! The bible does make references to wine that it is a mocker (Proverbs 20:1), not to be drunk with wine (Ephesians 5:18).  Jesus said he would not again drink of the fruit of the vine until he drank it new with us in the Father’s kingdom (Matthew 26:29)  We are to be filled with the Holy Spirit in which there is self control (Galatians 5:23) and not this monstrosity of bad theology!  I don’t care what these people claim, they DO NOT have access to heaven!

Wow. Did anyone of you ever get off the floor after this drunken impartation actually changed? No. No one does and that is the clincher. Nothing, none of us ever change under this false drunken anointing!  But, I will bet it does make you want to do it again and again, gotta get to that next meeting, that next conference just like any other addiction – one more time, one more time until the end comes and with the end comes the destruction.

I find is so bizarre that these same people that want to be drunk and impart spiritual drunkenness are the same ones who cry out “FIRE!” on God’s people! It is these liars who will one day be cast into the lake of fire right along with the demonic being who led them into their deception.

The cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all lairs shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Two youtube videos both from  grinz2000:

Todd getting drunk with the multitude and more of that sheeka-boom-ba thing

Roy Fields hysterical laughter during worship