The Right Way to Hear from God

Posted on October 8, 2016 by M'Kayla

I believe this teaching by Bob DeWaay will be helpful to anyone coming out of the clutches of the false prophetic and “how to hear from God”, the popular “emergent” practices of Lectio Divina and contemplative prayer.

I would suggest a very slow and careful study of the scriptures a bit at a time for those who are struggling with understanding. Oftentimes, the word of God should be lingered on and savored over as you would a fine piece of chocolate. Remember learning is not a race.

I will add, there is nothing good to be learned from Beth Moore and I am not afraid to state another warning to stay far from her.
Blessings all!

Feeling the Spirit?

Posted on September 8, 2010 by M'Kayla

The following article was written by Kent Philpott with Earthen Vessel Publishing. There has been so much focus around the importance of worship and so many false claims and misunderstandings related to worship and what can be accomplished through its practice. I am glad for this article as it pointed out things that I had questioned myself.

Feeling the Spirit?

by Kent Philpott

I was once a wild-eyed Pentecostal. Before that I was a rock ‘n roller, feeling the beat, the louder the better. Detractors–those non-spiritual Christians who surely did not even have the Spirit at all, warned that what the people experienced at the church I pastored was emotion-based and not the Holy Spirit. I would laugh at the sour grape nay sayers, the wannabes who would be dancing to the praise and worship band if only they had one. I felt sorry for them as I imagined their dead, cold services.

Somewhere, somehow I changed my mind. It may have been the day I woke up to the fact that I needed more and more music, swaying, waving of arms, and singing repetitiously the same chorus to get to that happy place where I could say, “The Holy Spirit has shown up.”

The church I now pastor has a few folks who have come from charismatic/Pentecostal churches. At times they have pressed me to get more excitement into the worship services. Despite my recounting my days as a Spirit-filled rocking pastor, I could see that my explanation was not working. They could not see anything wrong with feeling the Spirit–after all, didn’t God make our emotions, too? And this one really hurt: if I was really evangelistic as I claimed, it would not matter how we got the butts into the pew, just as long as we did.

And then, what was the harm of having some good feeling going on at church? Of course, I can get just as easily get worked up singing the Gloria Patri, even the old standard Doxology, but young people need more, the argument goes. The new generation is unlike any other, and they respond only to cutting edge techy media stuff.

There are going to be feelings and emotions, happiness and tears, and sometimes more than that in a worship service. These can not be avoided and neither should they be. But, and this is the point I want to make, to equate the Holy Spirit with feelings is dead wrong.

Looking at the early Church

Acts 2:42 provides a glimpse of the day by day practice of the early church. “And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.” And this is presented in the same chapter as the Day of Pentecost events and Peter’s sermon. There is not a word about music, yet in that era there were musical instruments and choirs in abundance, since it was common practice in the Temple worship to have both. Let me be clear that I am not against choirs and music—we have both in the church I pastor; in fact, I play choruses each Sunday on my guitar and am accompanied by a bass guitar, piano, a mandolin, and a drum. But it fits into the worship service, during a short bit of time, and it is not done in such a way as to produce a sense that the Spirit has now arrived. None of it is designed to produce an emotionally charged environment that must occur as the “praise choruses” are sung on and on to a rock beat.

Of the five “pentecosts” in Acts–two in Jerusalem (Acts 2 and 4), one in Samaria (Acts 8), another in Caesarea (Acts 10), and yet another in Ephesus (Acts 19), there is not one mention of any form of music. No, the message of Jesus was proclaimed and the Holy Spirit came in power to save. In fact, nowhere in the book of Acts is there any mention of music, much less a praise band and swaying to any beat at all.

Paul mentions twice in his letters the singing of psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs (see Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16). For a Jewish man accustomed to Levitical worship his statements make perfect sense. This is a far cry from what goes on in the churches where the music dominates the worship and moves people into feeling, an emotion-centered activity that often morphs into what are thought to be charismatic gifts of the Spirit.

I spoke in tongues for years and introduced it to thousands of people in the 1970s. I have heard thousands speak in tongues in large meetings and in small prayer meetings. They were unintelligible, and no one thought they were hearing God being extolled as at the Pentecost of Acts 2. For many years I led people into prolonged singing of praise choruses until the singing in the spirit, the prophesying, and other more strange things, including wild dancing, began to take place. Always we thought it was soley due to the Spirit showing up. None of these things would occur during the preaching and teaching of the Bible and the Gospel, events which were fairly mild and calm. The idea was generated that the Bible preaching and teaching was only a run-up to the real thing. This mistake led us to greater and greater error, until today we have the Bethel thing in Redding, California, the Kansas City prophets and International House of Prayer, along with Mike Bickel, Rick Joyner, Patricia King, and so on.

The appearance of evangelistic success

Filling up a place with people is not the same as God’s calling, justifying, and glorifying (see Romans 8:30). An influx of people into a church may or may not be the result of genuine conversions. During the Jesus People Movement, roughly 1967 to 1975, those who were being saved came as regular as clock work. But once that wonderful awakening was concluded by God’s sovereign hand, the conversions were slower, really few and far between. Not understanding how God works, we manufactured attraction, and it was primarily through music. To a degree, that worked, or appeared to work, but it was different. We had to get professional, practiced, and careful in the creation of a worshipful ambience—but it was planning and process. We became entertainers, we were meeting felt needs, and we created networks of people so that social bonding would take place. We developed small groups that were designed to connect people. More people came in and we called it evangelism.

There was, however, something else that took place, and even now I am shocked at the unbiblical nature of it: We assumed that everyone who would enter into the praise and worship with singing and speaking in the “Spirit” had to be born again, since we were convinced that it required the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in order to exercise such gifts. That became our evangelism. There was virtually no need to preach the message of the cross, all we needed was a good praise and worship team. Some of us at that time detected, to a degree, that something was wrong. Our efforts to move many of these people into Bible study groups was not successful. What people wanted was the music and the bliss of zoning out on it all.

Let me confess that it took me two decades to see my error. I wanted so badly to succeed and was always mindful of having a family that required an inflow of money. What was I to do but go along with the dominant model? Then about 1995 I began to change. This was most evident in the plain and simple Gospel messages I began to preach. While there were a few conversions, they did not make up for the numbers of people who went elsewhere. Many a time I considered going back to the old processes. With all I was reading and hearing, it seemed I was out of step, an old fogie, someone trapped in a time warp. In a way I cannot understand, and certainly my feelings had nothing to do with it, I was content with presenting the Word to those who would listen. In describing myself I began to say, “I am an old time Gospel preacher.”

An outrageous statement?

There is not one shred of truth to the idea that the Holy Spirit’s work is to make us feel good. To put it another way, having feelings in a worship service or some other venue is not the direct action of the Holy Spirit. The objective is to worship the God of our salvation; it is not to have an experience.

There is no supporting biblical evidence that the senses are to be gratified during worship. Someone will say, what about joy? But joy is a state of mind, the sure knowledge that Jesus has rescued, forgiven, sealed, and indwelt the former dirty rotten sinner headed for hell. The Holy Spirit blesses us also, but there is no evidence that such a blessing is feeling-oriented. I am blessed whether I feel it or not.

My contention is that it is not the Holy Spirit who produces feelings. Feelings may be there, or not be there; in either case it has nothing to do with the Spirit of God.

Let me take it one step further. It is misrepresenting the Holy Spirit to equate His presence with feelings. Such may not fall into the category of blaspheming the Spirit, but it is error nevertheless.

Payback

Not that I think that there is anything like cosmic payback, but what I used to dish out to local pastors and churches—“we have the Spirit and you do not”—I am now receiving from young pastors of new church plants: Philpott? Well, all he does is teach the Bible. He needs the Spirit, but he doesn’t even have a band!

There is a catch phrase that goes something like this:
“Too much Word with too little Spirit, you dry up.
Too much Spirit with too little Word, you blow up.
With the right balance, we grow up.”

That may not be exactly it, but we used something similar during the 1970s to essentially say that we had the right balance and others did not. Too much Word meant that the Holy Spirit was being ignored. Not us, since we had praise and worship with spiritual gifting for at least a half hour at each service. Of course, we assumed that what we were doing was of God. There was no proof of it; there was nothing in Scripture that would validate what we experienced. We took it for granted we were safe, because we learned it from well known and recognized leaders in pentecostal circles. How could we be wrong?

“Right balance.” How would one know when a right balance was reached? Is there any biblical passage that would serve as a gauge? Upon further consideration this little piece of sophistry is nothing more than a boast—a sectarian, if not cultic, way of saying we have it and you don’t.

A possible response

Let me admit that as a pastor I am troubled by the emphasis on feeling the Spirit. New churches continually show up in our county touting their music ministry and the power of the Spirit in their midst. For me it has the sense that there are wolves circling the sheep in the little flock under my oversight. In doing my job of protecting the flock I have lost a few battles. To a generation raised on rock ‘n roll, the band sounds awfully good and the old hymns seem, humm, old and hard to understand with all the Bible doctrine intertwined therein.

What can I do? By His grace I hope to keep doing what I know is right to do and preach the Word and trust that the Spirit of God is with us, because we gather in the name of Jesus. Remember Jesus’ promise, “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I among them” (Matthew 18:20).

Finally, it is clear that what the mature believer wants is the meat of the Word and the joyful truth of the Gospel of grace. Faithful pastors and churches must not yield to what looks now to be successful and popular. We have learned that the desire to feel the Spirit becomes insatiable, just like the need for more and more miracles, and thus we are led farther and farther from the clear practice of the early Church.

Beware the feel of the beat and the flesh.

and still more bad water continues to flow together…

Posted on January 8, 2010 by M'Kayla

Email from International House of Prayer

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This year, TACF’s Unveiling Conference will be a time when three streams of revival (TACF, IHOP Kansas City, and Iris Ministries) join together in one accord to seek after the kingdom of God and to listen to what the voice of God is saying at this time. Join many from around the world to chase after our Bridegroom and set our hearts on His love for us and His plan for our lives in the next season.

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FIRE! FIRE! Receive? or Run?

Posted on January 5, 2010 by M'Kayla

There is a good conversation beginning under the post Slain in Whose Spirit? It is thought-provoking and worth it’s own place on the blog and so I have given it one.

When others call for Fire! Fire! in sermons and in prayer time what exactly are they calling for? These false revivalists love the word fire. Should we run for cover? What about Fire Tunnels made of two rows of people joined overhead hand in hand creating a tunnel. Others walk through and “receive” fire, impartation and prophetic words from those lined up creating the tunnel…

Below is the conversation. Feel free to join in!

From Ray:

We had an episode in church about six months ago when a visiting Ugandan preacher took the iniative to address the congregation [ impromtu ] and the next thing i heard was ” fire fire” , i knew immediately what this was , and it wasn’t good, but what astounded me the most was the reckless manner in which so many people fell over themselves [ and others ] just to get to the front to grab a piece of this annointing.I singled out one particular person in order to engage their opinion of the mornings events, and the response was well , less than overwhelming. Apparently it was real because it happened!!.Wow , what discernment, never mind that satan is capable of convincing false signs and wonders and that he appears as an angel of light.All things must be discerned by the word, and not by the experience.

From ruthsongs:

This “fire, fire” thing hit a church I used to attend a few years back. The visiting evangelist yelled “fire, fire” most of the “prayer time” night after night. I wasn’t impressed…more like perplexed.

What do you make of John the Baptist saying Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire?

In the context of people “praying” for fire, I understood them to mean something like passion for the Lord/the lost. But it has become a buzz word now. I can only see other scripture referring to fire as something destructive- as in hell’s fire, or actual, physical fire.

From Diane:

I just left a church that is very into the “fire, fire” prayers. I knew the intention of the prayer was for a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and it sometimes bothered me. One, because it felt like begging God for a “feel good” super-spiritual experience, and also because I’d never read in the bible that we should pray for fire. Now that I’m out of that church, the topic of fire in the bible is one of the many things I’m taking a closer look into. I have to say, I agree with your conclusion “I can only see other scripture referring to fire as something destructive- as in hell’s fire, or actual, physical fire”

Just last week I was reading the words of John the Baptist that you’ve quoted, which don’t seem to fit into the “destructive fire” category. When I kept reading, a subsequent verse caught my eye and led me to do a little research. I will try to explain what I’m thinking.

Matthew 3:11-12 (11) I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. (12) His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Now, I always understood the “and with fire” in verse 11 to be more of the Spirit….like pizza with extra cheese. But what if it’s something different? Maybe Jesus baptizes with two different things, and each person will have one (the Holy Spirit) or eventually the other (fire). That’s what verse 12 seems to suggest. These two verses so close together made me wonder if the ideas go together. So I went to blueletterbible.com and did my first word study! I learned that the Greek word for fire in both of these verses is the same, pyr, which is a consuming fire of judgment. So, I’m thinking I’m onto something here. I’m still working on how to articulate it, but this fire doesn’t sound like an attribute of the Holy Spirit to me.

What do you think? Does anyone else have any insight?

False Healing Impartation

Posted on December 31, 2009 by M'Kayla

Matthew 10:7-8 As you go, preach, saying “The kingdom of Heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.”

This is the stuff I came out of – (false) HEALING –

Randy Clark was one of the speakers (along with Bill Johnson) at the one and only IAHR (International Assoc of Healing Rooms -Cal Pierce/John G. Lake) conference I attended a few years ago in Spokane. He also was very influential in the spiritual life of the Healing Rooms Director I worked with. I have a video of Randy and Todd at Lakeland on my blog doing that impartation thing –electrocution style. Impartation is a very big thing in charismania. I’m sure it’s were I picked up the demons. Bad stuff.

Watch it here to see if you really want to be a part of the teaching and impartation offered by Randy and his cohorts- and hear them discuss the connection between Todd Bentley, Randy Clark and the Toronto Blessing – Lakeland Electrocution Impartation

A man cannot impart spiritual gifts, power, anointing, knowledge or wisdom into another. Those things are given through God alone. The Holy Spirit IS God, so how can a man who teaches improper things and false doctrine impart Him to you? It cannot be done. Let me warn you. Watching and listening to false teaching in agreement is enough to invite demons into your life. If you open your mind to the thought that “maybe they are right, maybe they know more than I” you have opened a door for deception. The devil will be very happy to lead you further astray.This is what happened to me.

Link to Randy Clark’s ministry – Global Awakening (There’s that word again – AWAKENING) Does this sound like it has anything to do with Christ or the gospel?

Again, in these teachings and ministries they completely deny the work of the Holy Spirit in believing THEY are the carriers of His presence. THEY have the answer to why people don’t heal when they are prayed for. Forget the sovereignty of God. Word of Faith has the answer everyone is looking for. They spin off of Ken Hagin’s stuff. It’s witchcraft repackaged!

It is God who heals. We pray, He moves. Not everyone gets healed and we do not know why. It is not our place to know. It is not even our place to ask or to question God. I don’t care how many times they spit out the word intimacy, there are some things we are not to know. Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. Those who do not walk in the Spirit led lifestyle will go after other knowledge and claim to know things the rest of us do not. Whatever they are selling, even if they offer it for free – you do not want it.

Acts 8:18-24 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 and when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.” 24 Then Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me.”

Simon was a new believer as noted in verse 13, having had been a sorcerer. Being so new to the faith it is easy to be mistaken. Peter pointed his sin out to him in without haste and Simon repented. These gnostic laden teachers are not new believers and are therefore without excuse.

After all, where we we when God hung the stars into place and set the planets into orbit? Can we tell God how that is done? No. We cannot. (Those who think otherwise should read the last few chapters of Job.) Where we we when God formed Adam out of the dust of the ground creating intricate parts of the body that miraculously work together? We cannot tell Him how creation of man is done. We cannot tell Him how to heal a person. And we cannot tell another how to heal a person. Healing comes only from the power of God Himself through His choice to heal or to not heal. It will never come through a man made method or decree or proclamation, nor by study course or impartation!

It certainly does not come from healing energy, (see their message below) which sounds very much like Reiki, a Japanese technique for reducing stress and promoting healing through the laying on of hands. The word Reiki is made of two Japanese words – Rei which means “God’s Wisdom or the Higher Power” and Ki which is “life force energy”. So Reiki is actually “spiritually guided life force energy.“Read more here – What is Reiki

Be careful, be wise and ask the Lord to give us all greater discernment in these times.

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Have you ever said, “I wish I knew how to pray for the sick” or “How can I receive an impartation for healing?” Have you ever wanted to be equipped to do miracles?

We are excited to announce that we will be broadcasting the School of Healing & Impartation with Randy Clark and Bill Johnson. It will be broadcast from the Redding Convention Center. The school will be during the afternoons followed by open evening healing meetings. The school will include:

Revival Phenomena and Healing
The Agony of Defeat, The Thrill of Victory, Four Kinds of Faith for Healing, Biblical Basis for Healing and Pressing In
Deliverance and Disbelief
Healing and the Kingdom, Deliverance: A Ten-Step Ministry Model, Throne Life, Healing out of Intimacy with God and Warfield: His counterfeit miracles and today’s echos.
Spiritual and Medical Perspectives
History of Healing within Christianity and Healing Energy

Come and join us online, get equipped, witness the power of God. During the evenings we will be bringing in the sick, so tune in and be a part of this event.

Note: Due to the limited bandwidth at the Redding Convetion Center, we will only have one live video stream but the archived sets will have all three levels available.

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More Bad Water

Posted on December 30, 2009 by M'Kayla

When Is Enough Truly Enough?

Posted on November 17, 2009 by M'Kayla

A Question

When is false teaching and false prophecy allowable? Or is it? Is it possible for a believer to fall away, losing their salvation because of false teachers? Or is it all allowed because God is one of mercy, love and grace, who will restore them back to Himself in due time? If there is in fact demonic transference, at what point does this take place? In laying on of hands? In agreement with false teaching? In following after the elitist teachers and not following after the God of our salvation? Or maybe demons don’t have anything to do with what we are seeing today. Maybe it is only of the flesh or foolishness of man, nothing much to be concerned about.

Can I sit under the false teaching, follow the guidance and advice of a false prophet, participate in charismania craziness – changing the atmosphere with my words, speaking things into existence, in fire tunnels, in manifestations, falling to the floor, shaking, buzzing with electricity from an unseen force, giddy with the joy of uncontrollable laughter, or in sorrow for the lost in uncontrollable tears; making trips to the third heaven and other out of body experiences, leaving behind the true teaching of the bible, and one day still walk through the pearly gates?

At what point is enough really enough and time to get out, or can I just stay and have my fun? After all, my leaders say their church is a portal for God’s outpouring and they are anointed and gifted having had revelation of hidden knowledge for such a time as this. God is doing a new thing! We are under a mandate! It’s the new wine! God is powerful; He can do anything and we can’t keep Him in a box because we don’t understand. All these leaders pray in Jesus name and say that He has come in the flesh. So, what’s the harm?

Hmmm….What say you? What does the word say? Anyone want to kick this around?

Another Spirit

Posted on September 21, 2009 by M'Kayla

I found this article a couple of days ago. It explains some of things I experienced while involved in the charismatic, or what I now refer to as “charismania” and the false prophetic – the words of prophecy that came so freely, whether I was with the person or not, the “knowing” or what this author refers to as “clairvoyance” as I started to know things that were impossible otherwise, the feeling of drunkenness, the falling, slain in the spirit, the laying on of hands and anointing others who would be slain, the numerous languages in “tongues”, the expectation of “an intercessor” and spiritual warfare, the dominion and word of faith view to “speak things into existence”, the emphasis on the supernatural in dreams and visions and interpreting, numerology (and I don’t even like numbers), and of course that “prophetic word” that I was a seer, that the Lord called me a seer, was how it was explained to me – -that one false prophetic word that carried so much weight and so much importance and is the very thing that kept me pinned in under it all – and so it went.

I didn’t get into everything mentioned here, I didn’t go contemplative, or experience gold dust or make animal sounds, but what I did get into was enough to nearly destroy me. I think maybe it would have had I died practicing it. I don’t believe we get into heaven after following other gods.

While watching Todd Bentley early on during Lakeland, he said something that got my attention. He said that he could feel the “anointing” in his back. Well, so could I! And it was a new thing for me – a new experience that had just begun happening and I didn’t know why. I thought it odd, how someone who so misrepresented the Lord had the same experiences I did.

Kundalini? But, from where? I’m still not sure.

Just after that I began to have an overwhelming desire to practice yoga. I took a class long ago, very long ago, in high school. And I did it some in my home off and on over the years, but I hadn’t for a long time. So, when these thoughts to practice yoga came at me I thought it was strange that the desire was so strong, and I avoided getting involved. But, now I see the connection in what I have recently come to understand – kundalini yoga. Remember, kundalini is said to coil at the base of the spine – where I felt the anointing that I thought was of God.

I guess it is simple to say that satan comes at us in many forms and just leave it at that. But, my inquiring mind won’t let things go so simply. I see so much connection in false Christianity and other religions. I see how these demons are passed from person to person like a virus, and nearly as easily. I am astounded, really at the lack of true discernment so many of us have had and for so long.

Please be careful in these times, they are dangerous. Christianity is slowly becoming something else, something not about the cross, but about people and their gifts, a presence, a feeling, an experience. Please know the people you allow to teach you and their associations. Be sure they are true followers and disciples of the one and only Jesus Christ, because as His word has warned us, many have come, and are still to come in His name! See that no one deceives you and steals your reward!

Final Preparations to Receive the New Age Christ

Full Article Here

by Prof. Johan Malan
Middelburg
South Africa (March 12, 2008)
www.bibleguidance.co.za

Another spirit

Satan’s spirit of error (cf. 1 John 4:6) is actively working in the world to blind people’s minds to the truths of the gospel, while guiding them on how to have mystical experiences and empowering them to perform signs and wonders with occult powers. The many demons which Satan has at his disposal are evil spirits who are sent out to deceive people, thereby advancing the interests of the kingdom of darkness. The following actions of these spirits are very evident in the time in which we live:

Strange phenomena. The New Age Movement and its associated false religions is at present focusing attention on the discovery and use of the miracle-working psychic powers of healing, as well as the promotion of various supernatural manifestations. Even at many Christian meetings strange phenomena are now common, e.g. falling (or slaying) in the spirit. Other phenomena, such as laughing in the spirit, prophesying in the spirit and dancing in the spirit, which result from this experience, are also attributed to the Holy Spirit. Many believers blindly accept these phenomena without testing the spirits, despite the danger of spurious satanic imitation in such manifestations. Most of the Word of Faith preachers create strong expectations of powerful manifestations of the Holy Spirit. However, there is no scriptural basis for the signs that allegedly occur at their meetings. There is also the phenomenon of gold-dust falling on the hands, arms or hair of those at the meetings, while some claimed that fillings in their teeth turned into gold! Another modern fad in this movement is the so-called “New Wine” meetings where people experience typical symptoms of drunkenness. This is accompanied by falling, dancing and laughing in the spirit, also pogo stick jumping and making a wide range of animal noises, such as barking like a dog, crowing like a rooster and roaring like a lion! Are not the claims that such highly dubious phenomena and extraordinary behaviour are attributable to the activity of the Holy Spirit quite blasphemous, grossly insulting to Him and detrimental to the Christian witness to the world? It is not difficult to see how ideally this suits Satan’s purpose to discredit the Christian faith and deceive as many as he can. The express purpose of deceiving spirits is to destroy the faith of believers and to mislead, confuse, corrupt, overshadow and control them with the power of deception.

A new spirituality. The deceiving spirit of Satan imitates the Holy Spirit and instills a new kind of spirituality in people. It is a spirit of self-exaltation, pride and arrogance which makes you very important and powerful in your own eyes because of the gifts you have received, the recognition you enjoy, the strong influence you have over people, and also because of your material wealth. The presence, power and gifts of this spirit become the dominating reality in your life, while Jesus is subtly moved to the background. This spirit instils nice and relaxed feelings in you so that you forget all your problems and sins. He does not convict of sin, always condones it, and has no problems to live with lies, deceit, distorted versions of the truth, and moral laxity. He gives people the false hope that they are saved and will go to heaven. He uses so-called ‘prophets’ as human mediators to convey messages to you about what God wants you to do. He also majors on extra-biblical revelations from God through dreams and visions. He removes guilt complexes on his own authority, without specific reference to the cross, and surrounds you with light and joy. You are ever dependent upon him. He guides you through a process of inner healing to a spiritual reprogramming of your life in which the scars of the past, and even from before your birth, are put right by self-healing, positive confession, hypnotic regression and the breaking of generation curses.

This new spirituality is contemplative. People are taught to switch over to their ‘right-brain’ through meditation, walking labyrinths and practicing mystical techniques such as yoga. They empty their minds by the using of mantras (the repetition of a single word or short phrase) which helps them descend to the deeper levels of their subconscious mind where they experience an altered state of consciousness. In this spiritual state some people meet spirit guides who teach or inform them, while others even hear voices speaking to them. There are also those who receive supernatural gifts such as prophesying, healing, tongues, astral travel, clairvoyance, and the performing of miracles.

This spirit also tells you that you are a king already, who has dominion on earth, and can claim and demand anything you like. You do not have to suffer poverty, disease or any other afflictions, and you can change anything through positive confession. You are in command of your life. He motivates people to organise transformation rallies as a means to usher in the kingdom of God on earth. He also makes his victims believe they can pull down demonic strongholds in any society by making use of strategic spiritual warfare. Any notable success is evading them as Satan will only be incarcerated when Christ comes (Rev. 20:1-3). In this dispensation, only individuals can be set free from the power of Satan – not entire cities or countries!

Berit Kjos posted a very helpful chart in which she indicates the transition from evangelical beliefs to the new spirituality: www.crossroad.to/charts/new-spirituality.htm From this chart it is evident that a spiritually blinded humanity explores mystical powers in its quest to become divine, united and in full control of its own destiny. People end up discovering a mystical christ in their own hearts (the god within) who guides them into gaining a position of dominion on earth.

Todd Bentley’s Holy Spirit Part 2

Posted on September 6, 2009 by M'Kayla

This is the second section of my take on Todd Bentley’s teaching on the Holy Spirit taken from his website. Part one can be found here. There is a third teaching on his website, but I have chosen to not bother with it.

Beware!

Restoring Your Spiritual Prime through Intimacy with God: Pt 2

Part 2: “Cherishing the Holy Spirit”

by Todd Bentley

Oh, for the days when I was in my prime,
when God’s intimate friendship blessed my house.
Job 29:4

Commit these truths to heart:
Matthew 7:7; 1 Corinthians 1:9; John 15:13

Introduction

This is Part Two of a three part series. If you missed part one, please click here. Many equate the Holy Spirit with power, rather than with relationship. They call upon Him solely for their needs, for the bestowment of supernatural gifts, or an endowment of supernatural power, and not for intimacy, fellowship, partnership, and relationship as well. Some believers possess only surface knowledge of the Holy Spirit. They feel they know Him but do not. They have knowledge of Him, but they do not know Him as a friend would know a friend. They do not know what He is feeling, or when He is hurt or offended. They do not understand His emotions, or know His character beyond what is generally taught. They know of His works, of His functions, of His capabilities, but they do not know Who He is—the Person of the Holy Spirit. We are never told the Holy Spirit is our friend in the sense that we can enter into a one on one relationship with Him. Again, Todd is simplifying the Godhead.

Scripture describes the Holy Spirit as having personal characteristics. The Spirit speaks (Acts 8:29; 10:19; 11:12; 21:11; 1 Tim. 4:1; Heb. 3:7). The Spirit may be spoken to, tested, grieved, insulted, or blasphemed (Acts 5:3, 9; Eph. 4:30; Heb. 10:29; Matt. 12:31). The Spirit sometimes uses the personal pronoun “I” (Acts 10:20; 13:2). The Spirit lives (Rom. 8:11; 1 Cor. 3:16), The Spirit guides, calls, commissions, and intercedes (Rom. 8:14, 26; Acts 13:2; 20:28).

The voice of the Spirit of God is as gentle as a summer breeze — so gentle that unless you are living in Complete Fellowship and Oneness with God, you will never hear it.—Oswald Chambers

Do you desire more of the satisfying life? Jesus said, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water” (John 7:37, 38). John explains Jesus’ words further in verse 39 and tells us that by this [rivers of living water], Jesus meant “the Spirit.” The Holy Spirit is the source of our deepest satisfaction. He quenches our thirst. The Spirit lives! God gave us His Spirit so that we can experience intimacy with Him now. (John 16:13-15). This is a key scripture in understanding the Holy Spirit which would blow Todd’s teaching out of the water and is probably the reason he didn’t explain it. Read the words of Jesus and hear what He is saying against Todd’s claims:

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth has come He will guide you into all truth, for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak, and He will tell you things to come.

14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is mine and declare it to you.

15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

Clearly Jesus is teaching that He, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are one. The Holy Spirit does not speak on His own authority. If that is the case, then how can Todd teach the Holy Spirit has His own personality? He does not and here is the proof. The Holy Spirit takes what is Jesus’ and declares it. He has nothing of His own separate from that of God. Not personality, not emotions, not thoughts or ideas. Nothing. He is God’s Spirit. And though Todd is able to call the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God, he is not able to define Him properly.

Our Advantage

“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” (John 14:26).

How wonderful it would be to walk with the Savior in the flesh as the disciples did. Imagine three and a half years of close friendship with Jesus. They ate, slept, traveled, studied, and ministered with the Man Jesus. Side-by-side with the Redeemer, they witnessed Him feed the five thousand, raise the dead, and with sometimes just a word, heal the sick and cast out demons. Jesus, before He went away said,

“But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.” (John 16:5–7).

What is an advantage? It is plus and gain, improvement, help, benefit. What was that advantage? It was the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, (paraphrased), “I will send you a Helper and Teacher. He is the Spirit of truth. He proceeds from the Father. He will testify of Me, He will give you more” (John 15:26). No, the scripture does not state the Holy Spirit will give us more. Read it – But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. End of scripture – there is nothing there said about “giving more.”

The disciples, as they walked with Jesus did not have the “advantage” that we have. They did not yet have the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit. They walked with this Man of flesh, as they walked with their brothers, sisters, or friends. Their hearts were not yet made the spiritual temples God created to enter into. The Holy Spirit had not yet come to fill them. They likely could not feel the glory (with the exception of the Mount of Transfiguration experience), as we do. No, no. Jesus was fully man and fully God. We are not “advantaged” in that the disciples lacked a thing! They had God right there with them in human form – Emmanuel – and clearly the Holy Spirit was there too.

It is clear that Jesus says the Holy Spirit is inside of Him, but that He is also in addition to Him. The Holy Spirit is One just like Jesus (One what, just like Jesus?) and will do in Jesus’ absence what Jesus would do if He were physically with us. Yes, that is the point of His coming AFTER Jesus left the earth. The Holy Ghost is the Greatest Evangelist. No, I don’t think the Holy Spirit is ever described that way in the bible. It is up to man to preach, to evangelize and the Holy Spirit empowers us to do so. But the Holy Spirit is not the evangelist! He is a helper. He is One who is called alongside. He is Intercessor, Comforter, Helper, Advocate, and Counselor. He is the One who counsels what to do, when to do it, how to do it, whom to pray for, how to pray for, and He provides words of knowledge, and accurate details. Watch out for this. What accurate details and if we are going on biblical description, where is the one that refers to accurate details?

Relationship!

“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Cor. 13:14).

¹²The grace (favor and spiritual blessing) of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the presence and fellowship (the communion and sharing together, and participation) in the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen (so be it). Amplified

¹² The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.NKJV

In the final words of Second Corinthians chapter 13, Paul wants us to know three things: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the communion (fellowship) of the Spirit (v.14, emphasis mine). Grace, love, communion! What Paul was saying was “May you have a revelation of the grace of Jesus, the love of God (talking about the Father), and not just revelation of the Holy Spirit, but communion and fellowship with the Holy Spirit.”

Not so, according to Matthew Henry Commentary Volume 6, pages 646-647. This is an apostolic benediction which was usual and proper to dismiss worshiping assemblies. This plainly proves the doctrine of the gospel, and is an acknowledgment that the Father, Son and Spirit are three distinct persons, yet one God. To live in a continual regard to the three persons in the Trinity, into whose name we were baptized, and in whose name we are blessed. This is a very solemn benediction, and we should give all diligence to inherit this blessing. The grace of Christ, the love of God and the communion (or communication) of the Holy Ghost; the grace of Christ as Redeemer, the love of God who sent the Redeemer, and all the communications of this grace and love, which come to us by the Holy Ghost.

For Paul to say what he said, he had to have known the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. He was talking about something beyond operating in the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Where is the biblical basis for Todd’s reasoning here? The passage did not say the communion of the Father, or of Jesus, but of the Holy Spirit “May the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.” The word “communion” here is referred to in the Greek text as koininia. Again, the scripture is making a point, the three are one, and each has a place in the life of the believer. There is not a hidden meaning here!

Communion in this context means unity, a close association, fellowship, close bond, or a partnership. The underlying message is sharing. Therefore, Paul was saying then, “May you experience and share the intimate bond, the closeness, the unity, the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.” Paul infers there is something a whole lot deeper to the Holy Ghost and to the anointing and the gifts of the Spirit. He is saying that we can know koininia with Him and alongside of Him.

The Holy Spirit should not be viewed as a separate individual away from the Godhead. Paul is not talking about communication with the Holy Spirit as an individual. He is speaking of communion with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is admonishing those present that the Three are One and should be understood that way.

Todd Bentley is on a rabbit trail of his own making here and is far from the true biblical concept of the Holy Spirit.

I have koininia relationship with the Holy Spirit. I dialogue with Him constantly. We have a bond so close, I cannot even describe it. We share, talk, ask questions of each other, and communicate openly. I ask Him questions and He gives me answers, and vice-versa. There is freedom in our fellowship. He is like a close buddy and confidante and accompanies me everywhere. I keep in step with Him (Galatians 5:25). I do not have to wait for Him to come upon me, or manifest in some way, I just know He is there.

There is no biblical foundation that the Holy Spirit communicates this way. The Holy Spirit is God, not our new best pal. This is an example of a charismaniac’s claim that he has spent so much time with God he has now attained a knowledge of Him that is deeper and more intimate than that of the average believer.

After I read Benny Hinn’s book, Good Morning Holy Spirit, many years ago, I was already filled with the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues, and moving in the gifts of the Spirit, but I began to understand that there was something that I did not have and that was intimacy with the Lord. Benny Hinn is another false teacher! So, we have the blind leading the blind. I did not know the Holy Spirit beyond the giftings or teachings I had received. I knew His work, and His presence, but I did not know His character. I spent six months delving into every Scripture verse I could find and studied Him in depth. It created a hunger in me to know Him as close as a brother knows a brother, as a husband knows a wife, and I pursued Him with every ounce of strength I possessed. And if that is so true, then how did you make such a mess of this teaching? Could it be that your experience with the demonic has overthrown all of your biblical research?

Time in His Presence

After work, I would lock myself in my room for hours and hours a day. There, I would lift my hands and cry out to Him, “Holy Spirit come—please, I want to know You. The Holy Spirit is promised to all believers. We do not have to ask for Him to come, This is another erroneous belief taught by charismaniacs, to pray for the Spirit to come. He has already come! He is sent by God the Father as we read earlier! I am not satisfied only with Your power. I want to know You more than operate in the gifts.” It is prayers or demands such as this that brings the demon into play. When we step out of being satisfied with what God intended for us to have, and think there is more to know, more to learn and to experience, we have stepped out of His perfect will. Wham, I would be under the power vibrating as though somebody had plugged me into an electrical circuit. I would weep, vibrate, and shake, and the charged atmosphere afterward lingered. Electrical vibrating power is not evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. Again, there is no scripture to support this. Try Galatians 5:22-23, the fruits of the Holy Spirit – kindness, gentleness, self control. This “power surge” Todd equates to God simply is not. Cry out and demand something from God that He is not willing to give, or out of the bound of biblical teaching, do it long enough, and something else will certainly show up. Be very careful to NOT walk in the footsteps of this false teacher. He is creating a desire for you to have what he has, which, my friend, is not something you want to be involved with!

I could not wait to get home after work every day because the Holy Spirit would be there waiting for me. That’s funny. I thought the Spirit of God resided in Todd as a believer. Why would He be “waiting” for him any where? Not biblical. I was so excited about this relationship, new intimacy, and closeness. Relationship with the Holy Spirit was beyond anything I had encountered, beyond the anointing and the moving in the gifts. As soon as I would open the door to my room, it was as though the Holy Spirit was sitting there like a kid at Christmas waiting for me to get home from work so we could spend time together in His presence.

“Walk prudently when you go to the house of God; and draw near to hear rather than to give the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they do evil” —Ecclesiastes 5:1. Fitting words of advice for one who gives the sacrifice of fools and practices evil unknowingly!

Knowing who He is requires spending time in His presence and getting to know Him on an intimate level. It is not at all unlike living with a person, such as a wife, husband, or sibling. It is a partnership and a fellowship; we confide, make decisions, encourage, and champion each other! We eat, sleep, talk and have fun together; such is my relationship with the Holy Spirit, my precious Friend. He does not have to tell me when He’s grieved, or touched, I feel and sense it. I encourage Him and champion Him, “I love You, and honor You, Holy Spirit, I love the way Your Presence feels, I love to hear Your voice, I love to wake up in the morning and feel You flow through my body like electricity, I love that!” We make plans, and I will say, “We’re going to Africa, Holy Spirit, isn’t that awesome? I cannot wait to present the Gospel with You. It’s You and I, Holy Ghost, and we’re going to bring signs and wonders to the people!” I often include the Holy Spirit in my Bible time. I just say, “Holy Spirit, look at this verse, look what Jesus did, and You were right there! The blind man’s eyes opened, wow.” This was koininia time. Todd is not experiencing the presence of the Holy Spirit. We are not told anything about Him having emotions or that we will experience, feel or sense His emotions. What is this “championing” thing? God needs encouragement now? More electrical currents. Not God. No way.

Yes, God is with us always, but the manifest presence of God is Whom we seek in intimacy. Wrong. Well, only partly if you are seeking intimacy with a demon. Fellowship and partnership with the Holy Spirit is heaven touching earth in the natural plane of our lives. Whatever that means, but it sounds New Agey to me, heaven touching earth in the natural plane…????

A “With You” Presence

“You know Him. For He dwells with you and will be in you” (John 14:17b)

The Holy Spirit is with us and in us. This “with us” presence is the communion, the koininia. We already know that the Holy Spirit is within us, but do we really understand that He is with us? One day, I opened the door of my apartment to leave, and I felt His presence with me. His presence followed me down the hall and into the elevator, and out of the building. Sometimes as I drive, I will sense someone has joined me, and discover He is sitting sidesaddle with me and I will suddenly become overwhelmed with joy.

Paul Yonggi Cho is the pastor of the world’s largest church of almost a million people, in South Korea. He claims that he does not do anything without the Holy Spirit. In fact, this is his greatest revelation.

It is amazing how everything in the Bible revolves around the Person of the Holy Ghost. Creation did not even happen without Him. God sent forth His Spirit and created. The Holy Spirit was involved in creating and sustaining all life (Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4; 34:14). He was involved throughout Jesus’ life, too. Jesus did not do anything without Him. The Spirit caused His conception (Matt. 1:2), descended on Him at His Baptism (Matt. 3:16), led Him into the desert (Luke 4:1), and anointed and gave Him power to preach the Gospel (Luke 4:18). Jesus drove out demons by the Spirit (Matt. 12:28), and even died on the Cross with Him (Heb. 9:14). That same Holy Spirit raised him raised from the dead (Rom 8:11). Not one thing in Jesus’ life took place without the Holy Spirit. Not one miracle. Not His birth, not His ministry, not His death. The Holy Spirit was with Him always. Jesus was completely dependant on Him. Jesus was a Man as totally dependant upon God as we are. He was tempted in every way as we are. The only thing different that Jesus had that we do not is total dependence, obedience, brokenness, and yieldedness to the Holy Ghost. That same Spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead lives in and with us and we are invited to know Him intimately. How sweet is that?

O Cherish Him!

John 14:15 says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” Why? The answer is in the very next verse, and it is because: “I am about to send you another helper” (paraphrased, v. 16). Listen, Jesus is about to pray for the Holy Ghost to come, but the first thing He says before the Holy Ghost comes is to keep His commandments, because the key to more of the Holy Spirit manifesting in your life is obedience. In order for this other Helper to help, we have to keep God’s commandments. That is a twist on what Jesus said which is IF we love Him we will keep His commandments and then He goes on to say He will send the Helper, the Holy Spirit, which is not the same as what Todd says. We don’t get the Holy Spirit because we keep the commandments. If that were true there would have been no need of Jesus’ death and resurrection.

“Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you saying ‘This is the way; walk in it.’” —Isaiah 30:21 I find it strange that Todd throws in these scriptures from time to time that have nothing to do with what he is actually saying. Maybe it makes him look more spiritual to his deceived followers.

The more yielded, emptier, broken, and obedient we can become, the more the power of the Holy Spirit can flow in our lives. This is only half true. The more yielded we are to God and His will, the more He can work in our lives. This is different than Todd’s claim of more power. He is wrong in that. His power is the same for all of us. My Holy Ghost is not different from Jesus’. Jesus does not have a Holy Spirit!! The Holy Spirit IS Jesus, IS God! I do not have a smaller Holy Ghost than He did. He is putting Jesus on the same level as man, a method of creating a God of understanding, one that is convenient, rather than understanding God. My children’s Holy Ghost is not a junior Holy Ghost. What are junior are our levels of dependence, obedience, and yieldedness. Our shortcomings in those areas are a form of godliness that denies the power. The Holy Spirit cannot penetrate our lives in power if we deny it. More strange statements not supported by scripture. God knows that we are weak sinners and chose to work with us anyway!

The Holy Spirit is twenty-four-hour-a-day God consciousness. Not biblical. The Holy Spirit is many things to us, guide, comforter, etc. but at no time is He ever referred to as a 24 hour God consciousness. He brings back what was lost in the Garden with Adam because of sin. Not true! And Todd should know better here. Jesus Christ died for our sin, and it was the work of the cross that restores the relationship between God and man, upon our repentance of course! He does what Jesus would have done in His place. Jesus Christ had His specific work as does the Holy Spirit. They are not substitutes for the other. But the Holy Spirit multiplies it, that’s why Jesus said that it is to our advantage that the Holy Spirit comes. Multiplies what? Jesus didn’t say the Holy Spirit was coming to multiply anything! Sounds like one of Kim Clement’s rants.
The Holy Spirit’s Emotions
The Holy Spirit has feelings and emotions. There are things that grieve Him, wound Him, and hurt Him. We are warned about grieving the Holy Sprit, but we are not given scripture that the Holy Spirit has emotions. Likewise, there are things that cause Him to laugh and bring Him great pleasure. The Holy Spirit is the sensitive communicator of the emotion of God. He is sensitive, emotional (in a wonderful way!), expressive, passionate, responsive, open, and quick to respond. He loves to be “romanced,” loves intimacy, and loves to be loved and told that He is loved often. Even though He knows we love Him, He yearns to hear it over and over again. Nope. We are not told the Holy Spirit is emotional or responsive to emotion or that we are to romance Him! This is intimacy gone wrong.

The Holy Spirit knows that you know that He is there, and He knows that you are there, Good because He is God, so I am glad to know He knows I am here. but He still wants you to acknowledge Him, think of Him, honor Him, cherish Him, woo Him, and be attentive to Him. Not only when you need Him for something; but simply because you want to be in His company; with Him, near Him. He deserves special treatment…your intimate, undivided attention. He desires koininia with you and asks, “How much do you love Me?” God wants us to spend time with him, but we are not told to spend time with the Holy Spirit or “woo” Him or give Him attention in the manner Todd is describing.
Grieving and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit
Most married men I know are protective of their wives. If someone says or does something wrong toward their wives; that protectiveness kicks in faster than you can say “Methuselah.” God the Father and Jesus are protective of the Holy Spirit in much the same way, because the Holy Spirit is the one who gets hurt, wounded, or grieved, they watch out for Him all of the time. WHAT? Where does he get this idea that God and Jesus protect the Holy Spirit?

“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also”—Matthew 6:21.
The “With You” Presence

The Bible says in Ephesians 4:30, not to grieve the Holy Spirit. It means, do not wound Him, do not hurt Him, and do not cause Him pain. No, this is not what it means. In this context we look at the verse prior which is about speaking. We are told to not grieve the Holy Spirit with our words in dealing with others. Our words should reflect the way we are taught to live. Only someone with feelings can be wounded or hurt and experience pain. The Holy Spirit does not feel pain the way a man would. Again, Todd has put God on man’s level. One way not to grieve Him is to realize who or what He is not. The Holy Spirit is not an “it.” It grieves the Holy Spirit when we do what is contrary to His holy nature. He is not a power, and He is not an anointing. He is not “the gift” of the Holy Spirit, (funny, earlier in this writing Todd said the Holy Spirit IS a gift!) He is not revival, He is not the shaking, and He is not the falling over. No, He is not the shaking and falling over because these are not actions of our God! He is a person whom you can hurt, wound, and grieve. He is the ‘with you’ presence.
Isaiah 63:10 tells us “They [children of Israel] rebelled and grieved [vexed] His Holy Spirit, so He turned Himself against them as an enemy and He fought against them.” God as an enemy is a serious ramification, and we are not to take this lightly. The word vexed means tormented. The Israelites grieved Him; caused Him hurt, pain, wounded and tormented Him. Todd reads into the scripture meaning that is not there. Of course God is grieved when we rebel but Todd is using this scripture to prove what? That we are responsible for changing God’s emotions by “wooing” or “championing” Him?

To understand the importance of the Holy Spirit to the Father, imagine the Holy Spirit as the emotions of the Godhead. He is the one Who expresses feeling. He is the mushy gushy. No. He is not the mushy gushy. He is not the ooey gooey Love God as we are told to love the Lord with all our hearts and SOULS and MINDS. We can’t just carve out the love part of it and be done, there is much more and it all ties together! You cannot feel the love of God without Him, nor can you feel His presence without the Holy Ghost. Okay, where is scripture does it say we feel the presence of God? This is another place of danger – the physical presence of feeling God. You cannot even say that Jesus is Lord without Him. He is the one who enables us to feel God’s presence and hear His voice, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says” (Rev. 2:7). Everything comes through the Spirit. The Spirit is the communicator of the voice of God and the emotion of God. That is why God and Jesus are so protective. Again, this body guard thing! Where does it say in the bible that God and Jesus protect the Holy Spirit? There is something so precious, dear, and wonderful about Him. They do not want Him wounded and grieved. The word grieve means to cause pain, torment, and wounding. Do not do that to the Holy Ghost. Do not wound Him. Bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking grieve Him (Eph. 4: 31). Kindness toward one another, tender-heartedness, forgiving one another even as God in Christ forgave you (v. 32) pleases Him immensely. So does right teaching, Todd!
Protecting the Holy Spirit
The Father and Jesus are so protective of the Holy Ghost, that the Bible tells us that the one unpardonable sin is to blaspheme against Him (Mark 3:28, 29). It is the one and only sin without forgiveness. It is not blasphemy against the Father, or the Son, but against the Holy Ghost. What sets Him apart? Why Him? Why so protective over His emotions? The bible does not state that the warning against blasphemy is to protect against the emotions of the Holy Spirit, but it does say, and Todd is right, that it will NOT be forgiven.

The Holy Spirit is a revelator. He is the revealer. He reveals to you the love of God.
“Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor. 12:3b).
The Spirit comes and manifests to you the love that Jesus has for you. This is NOT what the quoted scripture says, so why does he throw it out there as though it does? He manifests to you the love and the forgiveness that is in the Father because Jesus satisfied the holy wrath that was in the Father demanding that sins be paid for. Upon man’s repentance! That is why the Holy Spirit is so precious that God tells us not to grieve Him. That is why the Father is so protective of the Holy Ghost. And, that is why Jesus said that every blaspheme against the Father, every blaspheme against the Son shall be forgiven, but not against the Holy Ghost. We aren’t told the “why” in this, only that it will not be forgiven.

It is sad, but some of us use the Holy Spirit. We just want the Holy Ghost and His anointing because of what those things can do for us or our ministries, the miracles, the giftings, and the prophecies that are going to open doors and opportunities for us. This sounds like he believes the Holy Spirit is required to work in these ministries. He is not. We cannot “use” Him as He is not at our beck and call. We are using the Holy Spirit. Stop! This grieves Him. We need to become His resting place. Another statement that does not make sense. I thought God is OUR resting place!

Gentle as a Dove
“Then he sent out a dove from him, to see if the water was abated from the face of the land; but the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, so she returned to him into the ark; for the water was on the surface of all the earth. Then he put out his hand and took her, and brought her into the ark to himself. So he waited yet another seven days; and again he sent out the dove from the ark. And the dove came to him toward evening; and behold, in her beak was a freshly picked olive leaf. So Noah knew that the water was abated from the earth” (Gen. 8:8-11, NAS).

The so called teaching in this section is so bizarre it is hard to determine what he is trying to say, and harder to straighten out.

Think of the nature of the dove. They are gentle, and peaceful in the natural, and then, whoosh they fly away when something disturbs or startles them. Here is another contradiction. Todd claims the Holy Spirit is gentle, which we know is true as He is described that way in the bible. Why then, does he believe that the same Holy Spirit would cause him such wild physical manifestations that are far from gentle! This does not make sense! If we want the Holy Spirit to rest on us with the olive leaf, then we have to stop sinning, stop grieving, and stop hurting the Holy Spirit. I don’t see a real connection between the story above and the Holy Spirit with an olive leaf. I don’t think there is one. The olive leaf in the story was to show the water had receded, exactly how the scripture explains it. So, I don’t know where Todd is picking up on some spiritual meaning here! Every time we sin, whoosh, the Holy Spirit lifts. He does not depart from us, but the manifest presence does. I don’t know of a scripture that teaches we have 2 types of presence of the Holy Spirit, but this is a familiar teaching with charismaniacs. In addition, the Holy Spirit is not some weak, flighty scared bird that will “fly away” at the first presence of sin. The “with you” presence flies away, figuratively speaking. If we want the Holy Spirit to rest, we have to avoid quick movements, those quick movements that fulfill our flesh. More strangeness. Why would He leave from a “quick movement’? Do you want to be a resting place for the Holy Spirit? Do you want the Holy Spirit, the dove of God to rest on you with that olive leaf in His mouth? Why does He need this leaf in His mouth? Fall in love with Jesus and have an encounter with the Holy Spirit, because if you truly know the Holy Spirit, you will become quickly convicted and aware of those things that startle, wound, or hurt Him. No, the true message of the gospel is to recognize that you are a sinner separated from God and in need of Jesus Christ. Repent and turn your life over to Jesus. Then, the Lord will send the Holy Spirit who will comfort you, teach you and guide you into all truth. (minus the olive leaf) There is nothing scriptural about “falling in love with” Jesus, although we do love Him! (We love Him because He first loved us! 1 John 4:19) It is curious that Todd has this idea that the Holy Spirit can be hurt like a person hurts. This just is not true biblically. God does grieve and is saddened, in our bad behavior and sin, but let’s get this into perspective!

Wooing the Holy Spirit
Ignoring the Holy Spirit, grieves Him. Let us say I come over to your house and you lead me to the couch and say that you love me and that we are friends. I sit there all day long, and you know I am there, but you run around and do all the things that you need to do in your house, with barely a glance my way. You do not acknowledge I am there, even though you know in your busyness that I am. How would you feel if I invited you over to my house and did the same thing? This is the tendency of the Church with the Holy Spirit. We say, “Come Holy Spirit, come into my church and sit in that pew right there. When I need the anointing, a prophetic word, power or blessing, I’ll call on you, but until then, just sit.”

The Holy Spirit loves romance and loves to hear that you love Him. It is not enough to acknowledge that He is inside of you, but that He is with you. He wants that eye-to-eye and heart-to-heart close contact. He wants the intimacy. He knows that you love Him but wants to hear it. “Not to us, O Lord, not to us but to your name be the glory, because of your love and faithfulness.” —Psalm 115:1
He wants to hear you say, “Holy Spirit, I love You, Come on over, sit with me!” Again, we are not taught in scripture to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit, much less treat Him as tho we are in a romance together. Intimacy is important, but it must be appropriate! And there are some who have crossed this line even worse than Todd’s teaching. Beware!
Note from the Ministry Team: This is Part Two of a multi-part teaching, and we invite you to visit our website often, or sign up to receive the remainder of this teaching by email. As always, know that we are praying for you, and particularly as you identify those things in your life that keep you from spending quality time with the Precious Holy Spirit! We love you, and we cherish you! Available in our resource center, Todd’s “Marinating…Pickling in God’s Presence” soaking CD, which is sure to take you into the glory and presence of God! Pickling, another word for “intoxication or being drunk in the spirit.” Not something taught in the Word of God.
“God who has called you into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ our Lord is faithful.” —1 Corinthians 1:9

“Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends” —John 15:13.

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you” —Matthew 7:7.

Whew! There you have the confused, extra-biblical teachings of a heretic. Beware.

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Todd Bentley’s Holy Spirit

Posted on September 6, 2009 by M'Kayla

This teaching on the Holy Spirit by Todd Bentley is taken directly off his new website. It is three sections; however, I am only working with the first two. If you want to read the third you will need to go directly to his website. I have left the original work intact, so not to violate his precious copyright, and gone through it line by line. First to show you his error and why I warn against him, and second to show you how easy it is to spot false teaching with a little effort. The first clue to a false teaching is how closely is sounds to the word of God. Close but not quite there, and not quite there makes it false. I believe that trusting in and supporting false doctrine will lead to demonic possession.

This is part one of two.

Restoring Your Spiritual Prime through Intimacy with God

Part 1 – The “US” Team

by Todd Bentley

Commit these truths to heart:
Genesis 3:22; John 14:16, 17; John 17:3; 1 John 5:8; 1 Corinthians 2:4, 5; 2 Corinthians 13:14;

Oh, for the days when I was in my prime, when God’s intimate friendship blessed my house. – Job 29:4

Introduction

This is by no means a full study on the Person of the Holy Spirit—it is just an appetizer to whet your appetite for intimacy with Him. The Word of God, time spent with Him, and time spent with God chasers who know and love Him will grow you in the knowledge of our Precious Spirit of God. I have written this especially for those who have already asked Jesus into their hearts as personal Lord and Savior, believing that God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son, that whosever believes in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life (see John 3:16). But my heart is that you do know Jesus if you haven’t yet surrendered your life to Him, because once you do, Jesus has a gift waiting for you—the precious Holy Spirit! He will teach, counsel, lead, guide, and love on you as no other, and He will draw you into His radical fiery love. I have a great message about how to know Jesus on my ministry website, www.freshfireusa.com. As you grow in intimacy, mature in the Word, you will come to experience Him and the Holy Spirit will reveal Jesus to your heart, the heart of the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father and their affection for you. You do know that God loves you, right?

This section about salvation is so right on that it baffles me how exactly he can get the rest of it so goofed up. I wonder if he is the actual author or if others write for him under his name. There are many contradictions in this document. At one point towards the ending of part two much of it reads more like a six year old was speaking than it did a teaching of a grown man. H becomes very focused on the emotions and pain experienced by the Holy Spirit and some strange idea that God and Jesus are protectors of Him. It is full of confusion and mixed thoughts and ideas with very little clarity, even for a false teaching.

Todd is way off in his understanding of the Holy Spirit which gives explanation as to why he is so off in his ministry. I am sorry to say, and I am sure it is of no surprise to most of us, but saved or not he is under the influence of a demonic presence. This explains the bizarre behavior and methods he attributed to the leading of the Holy Spirit at Lakeland last year and other occurrences throughout his ministry.

His upcoming “come-back” scheduled for Sept 10 via the computer is the reason I am putting out so much information about him. Many have been deceived and will continue to be unless someone pulls the wool off their eyes, so to speak. His website, the videos, and teachings such as this one proves that he is the same old Todd, given to the same false and dangerous ideas as he’s always had.

Now, More Than Ever Before

Jesus said in Luke chapter 12 that it is the Father’s desire to give His children the Kingdom. If that was true then, how could it be different today? Actually, we should probably be moving in even greater levels of intimacy with the Father as we see the burgeoning and urgent need for demonstrations of the power of God so much more.

I have designed this teaching to spur you to intimacy, and to encourage you to seek to deepen your own personal relationship with God’s Radiant Glory. Where are we told that we are to have a relationship with God’s GLORY?

As you pursue friendship and spend time with Him, you will be able to recognize His presence, His voice, and His instruction, and will experience an increase in the release of Holy Spirit power and boldness in testifying of God’s love, and in ministering the gift and grace of salvation and healing to others. Jesus Himself said “And this is eternal life, that they may know [experience] Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent” (John 17:3). We know God through His word, not through an experience and this scripture does not use the word “experience”, Todd has added that in to make is point.

I believe that the Holy Spirit is urging us to believe and trust God for a deeper relationship than ever before that will see us pressing in and ahead in love with God to release the power of the Kingdom in the earth! We’ve seen what Todd’s pressing in has done for the Kingdom.

Growing in love with God by His Spirit is the most precious, exciting, refreshing, and exhilarating experience that I have ever known apart from the first blush love experience of salvation. Blush love? The word blush described in Websters as a rosiness in the cheeks caused from shame, guilt or embarrassment. Sound like something of God’s doing? NO

Whoa, thank You Precious Lord! If this teaching compels you to dive deeper into the waters of grace through relationship and communion with the very Spirit of God, and experience all that, praise God! If because of that intimacy, you do experience a greater release of the power of God in your life and in ministry to others, Praise God and Amen!

He is my Best Friend and the Love of My Life and it is an honor to introduce Him to you as an intimate friend. Excuse me? Todd is not responsible, nor is any person, for introducing the believer to the Holy Spirit, God does that! Your friendship with Him may look a little different from mine, but trust that He will meet your heart’s yearnings in ways you cannot imagine, and He will never disappoint you. Treat Him well; be kind and gentle, and generous with your time. He is so precious. Todd makes Him sound like a new pet.

The “US” Team

How would you describe your Christian life? Are you satisfied with it, or do you hunger for more in your relationship with God? Chances are if you have experienced the Person of the Holy Spirit, you will want more because each encounter only scrapes the surface of what we can encounter in the glory of God, God does not share his glory with man, we do not encounter it. no matter how much the Holy Spirit saturates us with His presence. Even more than you desire His presence, His heart yearns to commune with you and cries out, “Don’t go away—don’t be satisfied without My presence!” The Holy Spirit dwells within us. How can he “go away”?

The apostle Paul writes, “The [intimate fellowship] of the Holy Spirit be with you” (2 Cor. 13:14), my bible reads GRACE, not intimate fellowship and that’s precisely the key to an increasingly satisfying Spirit-filled life, a life hungry and desperate for encounters with and intimate knowledge of the Holy Spirit. Desperate for a relationship with God and to know God is a good thing. But watch out before you cross the line as we are not taught in the bible to be desperate for an “encounter” or “intimate knowledge” of the Holy Spirit. We are only given so much knowledge and many things God has hidden from us that are not for us to know. This desperation can lead your right into a demonic playground full of false visions and experiences not of God the Father! And false teachers like Todd Bentley will convince you, as he has himself that you are encountering the Holy Spirit. You are not. Read the bible to find out who the Holy Spirit is and His function in the life of a believer. Be careful!

“And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one” (1 John 5:8).

The three that bear record in heaven are not three Gods, but three in One, and each are an expression of God: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. To know God is to know there are three Persons in the Godhead. To know God is to know the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. To know God is to understand that God is three Personalities, and in order to grasp His fullness, we have to have intimacy and communion, and relate to each one. To grasp the understanding of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, read about them in the word of God! Though they are the same in unity and purpose, and do everything in oneness, they are still three Persons. As Christians, we seek to know God the Father, and God the Son, but in seeking the Holy Spirit, we tend to seek only the power and infilling He offers and provides, and not the relationship. We are not told to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit. He is God. The relationship given to us is with the Father, through the Son and the Holy Spirit is our guide, our counselor, and comforter and teacher. But we are not told to pursue a relationship with the Holy Spirit. Through our time getting to know the Father, we learn through the Son, that He is not a God in heaven with a gavel hammering down judgment. OH? God has not given up His place as a righteous Judge, and judge He will! Instead, we learn more of His character and come to know Him as Abba Daddy Father. He is our Father because of salvation, not because we have designed some way of coming to “know” Him. We can come to know the Father even more intimately by coming to know the character and Person of the Holy Spirit as well. Wrong again. The Holy Spirit is no less significant than the Father or Jesus, He is equal to them, and we must know the fullness of the Holy Spirit as fully as we know the Father and Jesus. I know and love all of my children the same, yet each have different and separate personalities that I have to take the time to get to know. They each have distinct characteristics and ways of expressing themselves. So it is true in the Godhead, three Persons, each different, but all equal in power. One does nothing apart from the other. The Godhead cannot be explained as though three children. Each person of the Godhead IS God. Each child is a separate person – not the same and not a good measure to use for comparison.

Jesus told his disciples that they have seen the Father as they have seen Him. He is called “Emmanuel, God with us”! He sent the Holy Spirit to abide with us, but the Holy Spirit does not work of his own. He does not have his own personality, but the personality and characteristics of God. Jesus said “he will take what is mine and reveal it to you”. This is a great mystery that we can only understand in part. Be careful, Todd is putting God on a level with man.

Creation

All three Persons of the Godhead were involved in our creation. Genesis 1:26a reveals, “God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness’.” This infers that it wasn’t just the Father. If “God” said, then the Holy Spirit, the Father, and Jesus all decided at the same time, in effect, “Hey! Let’s make man in Our image.” Again, we have an account in Genesis 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, “Behold the man has become like one of Us.” Who’s us? Again, it is one God, but three Persons. It’s “Us.” In Genesis 11:7, the “Us,” the three-in-One are referenced again, “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language.”

It is teamwork. They were a team from the very beginning, and they are a team in our salvation. To explain, let me paraphrase what happened. The Father demanded payment for sin, and Jesus said, “I’ll pay for it” and the Holy Ghost said, “Not without me.” In effect, the Father said, “I miss the fellowship that I had with Adam and Eve. I miss being able to go down and walk in the cool of the day with them. I miss the intimacy and the glory that we shared. Do you know what? Now I am angry and My holy wrath demands justice on sin because the wages of sin is death. I need something to take the payment and the atonement for these people that I so desire to commune with. I have to have justice even at the same time I desire fellowship. But if I were to go to fellowship with them now, My fire would consume them.” Not exactly so, since God had a relationship with man before the death and resurrection of Jesus. He was very close to Moses and Noah, and Abraham, etc.

Then Jesus all of a sudden stands ?? and says, “Father, I’ll go. Because I love You, Father, and because I see the aching of Your heart for Your people. Father, I will go to the earth. I will suffer, die, and become the atonement for all those so that they can be restored into the likeness and the image of Us, and have that intimacy with You that You miss.” It is believed that God had this plan going on way before the fall back before the very foundation of the world. It wasn’t something they just all “came up with” like a plan B. God knows all things and knew that man would fall in the garden and would need a savior. Hence the prophecy in Genesis 3.

But the Holy Spirit interjects and says, “Uh-uh, uh-uh uh, You’re not going Jesus, unless I go too.”What a cute scenario. Where is THIS conversation in the infallible word of God?? Besides, the Holy Spirit did exist as the third person of the trinity, He did not indwell in the believer until AFTER Jesus left the earth. So the “Us” team have a conference and make the decision together to restore fellowship and bring us back to the place where we could taste of their glory. NO – we do not taste of the Lord’s glory. And, this same Person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit who worked alongside the Father and Jesus in creating you, invites you to know Him beyond knowing His power.
I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of Truth …You know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you. —John 14: 16, 17

Summary

Life is so full and busy for all of us, but the call of God toward intimacy also increases. Nothing trumps an intimate love relationship with God! He is jealous, yes, jealous for your affection (see Exodus 34:14), Let’s go there and read it – for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. Nothing said here about an intimate love relationship or affection, but a command to worship God for He is Jealous! and does not want contenders for your heart! In Part Two, we will explore the Person of the Holy Spirit, and why He is so precious and vital to us. The Holy Spirit is not to be treated as a separate person. He is not to be called on, prayed to, or commanded. He is God. In the meantime, I challenge you to identify the contenders that vie for your affection, those little foxes that busy you away from God, and think of, even list on a piece of paper so that you won’t forget, ways to construct your life to accommodate a passionate pursuit of fellowship with Him! Those who know His name will lean on and confidently put their trust in Him. The Lord will not forsake those who seek Him! (see Psalm 42:1).

Continued in part 2.

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