1 John 4 How Well Are We Learning? –

Have you ever read another person’s words and thought to yourself “I could have written that”? Well, here we are…

This is all very reminiscent of when I was in the open, honest and upfront titled “new age ‘christian’ church”. Back in the day when Bethel was just a glimmer in satan’s eye. We too visited the graveyards and set the demons free all over the world. We did mighty works and did an amazing amount of what appeared to be ‘good works’, there were many miracles, signs and wonders. I witnessed cancer, hiv and unexplained illnesses cured. The majority of these were a temporary healing, since none of those we cast demons from actually repented of sin and turned their lives over to Jesus Christ. The demon was cast out and many more came back with it, to the empty house.

We (just like Bethelites) embraced the assistance of demons and considered it to be great fun. Those demons who masquerade as angels were more than willing to help find lost articles and give a word in an itchy ear. Honestly, some of those demons are quite ugly and smell horrible, just sayin’, that is when you see them in their true form.
All of this also brings to mind a quote I ran across recently from John G. Lake: His Life His Sermons, His Boldness of Faith, Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1995, p13: “It is not honoring to Jesus Christ that sickness should possess us. We do not want disease. We want to be gods”.
Yep, those silly new agers in denial are being taught very seductively that they too are gods. Which has been the satanic agenda ever since the real God threw that wanna be rascal right out of heaven. Unfortunately, Bethel simply denies their new age title and has become a leading force in the worship of a false jesus, also known as an antichrist.
I praise Yah many, many times a day for rescuing me and saving me from certain damnation. I was one messed up pup for years after the new age, who didn’t want to listen to reason from those regular Christians, who read the Bible faithfully and studied The Word. (It was pounded into my head that the Bible could not be trusted as the actual Word of God, since it was written and rewritten many times over by mere humans) When I came to my senses, via an ‘enlightenment’ and walked away from that nacc, my family fell under massive attack from the forces of evil. I was pushed down the stairs twice, in the dark sides effort to shut me up and keep me from talking.

The last time was just a little over a year ago when I began speaking out in my word of faith/charismatic church concerning the similarities of what I walked out of years ago and what I was witnessing in the church through the teachings of Randy Clark and Bill Johnson (supernatural schools). However, today I shout hallelujah, for my God is faithful. It has been a very long journey of healing, which at this point God has turned to his highest good by delivering to me ample time to read and study His Word. I am so grateful that my Father has lovingly guided me into His truth, which abides in Scripture.
If the people that are seeing and interacting with these so-called angels would test the spirits as written in 1John 4, and become brutally honest with themselves they just might be blessed with seeing exactly who is the driving force behind these teachings that are leading them in the direction of the wide gate. (I would advise here to be very careful what you ask for, you might just get it).

Today, I find that I truly feel sorry for the Johnson’s, and the Clark’s (as well as many others) who have been lead astray. Especially though, I pray that my ‘sisters’ would become bold enough to ask in the name of Jesus Christ that they be shown God’s Absolute Truth of the signs and wonders they are chasing. The Lord must have had a really great plan, until they fell into the trap. And yes, it truly is a trap of massive proportions.

 

How to Discern a True Work of the Spirit by Bob DeWaay

Audio link and teaching notes follow~

Recently I received a comment from Norcal with a link to a teaching by Bob DeWaay, “How to Discern a True Work of the Spirit”. I think this is perfect timing for those who are struggling with the truth behind these “revival and outpouring meetings” which are just revving up again.  From my own experience and that of others it can be hard to determine what exactly is going on in these meetings and videos.

When these well known and supported men and women come in the name of the Lord, making claims of healing, salvation, restoration, miracles, signs and wonders we often make the mistake these claims are true because they sound so good. And the truth is, they can be pretty close to the truth.

A quote from Charles Spurgeon –Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right .

This is why we need each other and why we are described as a body (Romans 12:3-8) Each of us has a function just as each of us has a part. Together, under the headship of Christ, through the the work of the Holy Spirit we support each other and contribute that which has been given to us. Then we are able to better discern, to help those who struggle and to better support the body!  Of course we all need to be grounded in the Word of God.  There is no excuse to not be!

Following are the thoughts from Norcal:

While studying and preparing to teach our small group “how to test the spirits”, I came across Bob DeWaay’s sermon titled, “How to Discern a True Work of the Spirit”.

It’s the simplest, bottom-line method I’ve heard for testing the spirits. In short, the premise is based on Jesus’ words in John 16:13-14, “However when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14) He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.”

The work of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Jesus…the birth, life, work, ministry, substitutionary death and resurrection of Jesus. In other words, the gospel.

All meaningless signs (laughing, shaking, gold dust, drunkenness, etc) that don’t glorify Jesus in the proclaiming of the gospel are proofs that their source is not the work of the Holy Spirit.

Here’s a link to the mp3 audio of the sermon:

http://www.twincityfellowship.com/audio/sermon_mp3/20071104_tcf_sermon.mp3

Here are the teaching notes–

How to Discern a True Work of the Spirit

Bob DeWaay   November 4, 2007   Twin City Fellowship

“The Spirit of Truth . . . He will bear witness of Me” (John 15:26)

How to discern spirits

1John 4:1, 2

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

How to discern spirits

1John 4:3, 5

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them.

The Holy Spirit motivates believers to confess the truth about Christ

1Corinthians 12:3

Therefore I make known to you, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Testimony about Jesus is the work of the Holy Spirit who inspires all prophecy

Revelation 19:10

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

True prophets testified about Christ

1Peter 1:10, 11

As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful search and inquiry, seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.

The Holy Spirit inspired true prophets

2Peter 1:20,21

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

False prophets “deny the Master”

2Peter 2:1

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

They deny the master by “going to far” and not “abiding” in the teaching of Christ

2John 1:9

Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.

The Holy Spirit Testifies of Christ

John 15:26

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness of Me,

The Holy Spirit Testifies of Christ

Numbers 24:2, 17 (NKJV)

And Balaam raised his eyes, and saw Israel encamped according to their tribes; and the Spirit of God came upon him.  . . . . “I see Him, but not now; I behold Him, but not near; A Star shall come out of Jacob; A Scepter shall rise out of Israel, And batter the brow of Moab, And destroy all the sons of tumult.”

John the Baptist testified of Christ

Luke 3:16

John answered and said to them all, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”

Simeon Testified of Christ

Luke 2:25, 26

And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

Simeon Testified of Salvation

Luke 2:27 – 30

And he came in the Spirit into the temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to carry out for Him the custom of the Law, then he took Him into his arms, and blessed God, and said,  “Now Lord, Thou dost let Thy bond-servant depart In peace, according to Thy word; For my eyes have seen Thy salvation,

God testifies as the Holy Spirit descends on the Son

Luke 3:22

and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.”

Jesus testifies about Himself

Luke 4:18

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovery of sight to the blind, To set free those who are downtrodden,”

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit who anoints “Messiah” and who testifies of Him is to never be “released” from sin.

Luke 12:10

And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven [lit. “released”] him.

By the Spirit they will testify of Christ

Matthew 10:18 – 20

and you shall even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not become anxious about how or what you will speak; for it shall be given you in that hour what you are to speak. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

Witnesses in the power of the Spirit

Luke 24:46 – 49

and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day; and that repentance for forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. and behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

The Holy Spirit will empower them to testify of Christ

Acts 1:8

but you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.

Peter testifies of Christ

The Apostles witness to Christ

Acts 4:31, 33

And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak the word of God with boldness. . . And with great power the apostles were giving witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all.

Stephen testifies and is martyred

Acts 7:55, 56

But being full of the Holy Spirit, he [Stephen] gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Paul is filled with the Holy Spirit

Acts 9:17

And Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

Spirit filled Paul immediately proclaims Christ

Acts 9:20

and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, “He is the Son of God.”

Confession and Abiding

1John 4:13 – 15

By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

Knowing the true work of the Spirit

1John 4:2, 3

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Applications and Implications

1) Confessing Christ is not merely uttering words

2) Overcomers are born of God and believe the truth about Jesus Christ

1)      Confessing Christ is not merely uttering words

Matthew 7:22, 23

“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”

1)      Confessing Christ is not merely uttering words

Matthew 7:24

Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and acts upon them, may be compared to a wise man, who built his house upon the rock.

2)      Overcomers are born of God and believe the truth about Jesus Christ

1John 5:4, 5

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world– our faith. And who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

2)      Overcomers are born of God and believe the truth about Jesus Christ

Revelation 3:5

“He who overcomes shall thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.”

2) Overcomers are born of God and believe the truth about Jesus Christ

Matthew 10:32, 33

“Everyone therefore who shall confess Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”

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Thanks Norcal! 🙂

Here again is the article I put together on the Holy Spirit after I came out of similar experiences –Holy Spirit Manifestations

Romans 15:5-6 Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus, that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.