An Encounter With A Madman..or Two..

AN IMPORTANT UPDATE:

I am pleased and thankful to provide notice that the man named in this article, Tim Wirth, has left Moriel and all of its associations. Tim reports that the Lord opened his eyes to the wrongdoings at Moriel and has resigned because of the things he witnessed. He now works to expose the error in prayerful hopes that others will recognize the same. We know Jacob Prasch has waned worse and worse in compromise and decimation of the word of God, and that he continues to rail and insult anyone who stands against him. So, again, beware.

Blessings,

M’Kayla

Several years ago I came upon the teachings and writings of a very well known teacher, Jacob Prasch. We have had a little bit of discussion regarding his teachings and his not so nice temperament when others came forward and told of their experiences. I believe I have lost some readers because of his cruelty toward them.

Since there is always two sides to a story I was bothered, but moved on. Well, now I have had my own encounter and this is what I am here to expose. Here is where I will ask your forgiveness. I understand now the gravity of his abuse yet remain shaken.

Believe me, I am not happy to write this but it must be said.

For the last year, I have been listening to him quite a bit. I joined a couple of Moriel Friends groups on Facebook, most importantly for our discussion, Friends of Moriel TV, created and moderated by Tim Wirth. Tim has become involved with Moriel creating videos and doing radio work for the Moriel ministry. I became friends with Tim on Facebook a while back after he found  my blog. He commended me for my work and we often exchanged ideas and short conversation through the private message option on Facebook. I grew to believe I could trust him which was a mistake, in retrospect.

A few days ago, Friends of Moriel TV, put out several videos that addressed the topic of women teaching men, coverings, why they “need a Mordecai”, etc. The teaching in these videos by Jacob was poorly done, more personal opinion than scripture. The points made were, well, not made – disjointed thoughts with very little scriptural backing. We would expect more from a man who is known for his claims of biblical knowledge and understanding of scripture, history and context in several languages.

I began to discuss these videos with a dear friend of mine as both of us were quite concerned. One of our concerns was the way the other women in the group reacted to his teachings. When I say cult-like I am not being dramatic. One poor woman stated that she is waiting for her Mordecai. Huh?

I posed a comment in the group for Jacob. You see, if women are indeed to remain silent, or to teach only women, why is it that I, and many other women like me, who are not married and not involved in a church – aka – not under a “covering” able to speak and explain the word of God?

Here is my comment that I copied from the Moriel group, tagging Tim Wirth –

M’Kayla Kelly Tim Wirth – I would like to pose a question in using my own experience and the work I have done which you are aware of. I am not married, I do not belong to a church. Yet, my work in exposing the false teachings of the International Association of Healing Rooms, the false prophetic movement, John Paul Jackson’s dreams and visions, etc., has proved to be quite effective in helping many, many people. This includes men. And it extends beyond just the blogging as I have communicated through e-mail and had telephone conversations with both women and men who have come to me for help. I have been put in the position to expose and to confront the male pastors and ministry leaders I once worked side by side with regarding their deceptive teachings and followings.

I feel something very important has been left out in these videos regarding women. I have a great respect for Jacob – have prayed for him and his family, the ministry, illness, and have often times defended his teaching to those who do not understand midrash, etc., and unfortunately would rather spread gossip about him than listen to the truth. As I have told you, I hold Jacob in high regard and respect.

Given the fact that God knows everything, it comes to no surprise to him that one day women would be operating in these areas, without supposed need for a Mordecai “covering”. In addition, the scriptures make a clear distinction between wives and women.

There is evidence in deeper study, certain women were restricted for specific reasons, during a specific time frame, but it did not apply to all women throughout all time. I am only a bit familiar with the thinking of St Augustine regarding women, which is horrendous, yet I am seeing it reflected in these videos. We can name Piper, McArthur, the list is long…

I am thankful the Lord restored my mind and my relationship with him. All the learning I did in coming out of the deception in 2008 was through him. There was no one to help me understand, yet through the Holy Spirit the truth of scripture unfolded, resulting in the ability to expose the false doctrine and lead others out, and yes, teach men as well. A great burden was placed on me to right the wrong I had done through my own false witness, false prophetic words and in being a leader in these things. It was huge to me and the grief was worse than what I experienced in the loss of my daughter. However, it was never my plan to do these things, it just happened that way, thru the leading and yes – blessing of the Lord.

I blog, I have done 4 interviews through the internet, blogtalk and a couple of others, and I am currently writing a book and am considering my own blogtalk radio.

Do men listen to me? Yes, they do and just as we see in the NT, they commend me for it. And you are one of those men, Tim. I am asking Jacob to rethink these videos because I believe they are damaging and doing an injustice to Christian women who are being led to battle, side by side with the men just as we have been doing throughout time. And as I said, there is evidence that women had more freedom in the NT than what is being presented.

As for a covering, mine is named Jesus Christ. Please consider there are women all over the world who will tell you the same as I have. We are not usurping men. We are not Jezebels. We are not out of sync. We are certainly not hens. We are true Christian women who are fighting for the cause of Christ in the hopes of saving others. We are the women who know one day it may be necessary to lay down our lives for our faith. Please Jacob, I am respectfully asking you to reconsider. And don’t insist we wear the spiritual burqa, as I for one, will not. There is too much at stake.

Just after I posted this comment, I also sent it to Moriel.org, yet told no one I had done this. Shortly afterward, Tim began to private message me which went on for quite a few hours that same day and began again early the next morning. You see, Tim stated he has read my blog and found it to be quite helpful, yet he stated that what I did was not actually “teaching doctrine”.  He kept trying to reassure me that no one had called me a Jezebel, which I never thought or claimed had taken place. He seemed desperate in his attempts and could not seem to understand that I had several times simply requested that my comment be passed to Jacob for review.

Let me add, I do not care whether or not a person believes I am teaching doctrine. I have settled the “woman shut up and sit down” argument years ago after doing research on my own.  I was remiss to not post it here on my blog, but there had been so much going on in my life and things I needed to do pertaining to the blog that I lost sight of it. My apologies.

My concern, if Jacob has such a deep knowledge of the bible and the original languages, why does he come to completely different conclusions than others who have the same kind of education and knowledge? I am speaking of The Key Word Hebrew-Greek Study Bible, edited by Spiros Zodhiates. Or, the writings of Richard and Katherine Clark-Kroeger in “I Suffer Not a Woman”. And I know there are more to be listed but theses will suffice for the point.

I have no qualms and no problem accepting the order God has put in place. I do however believe that women have been given much more freedom to minister in their gifts than man has allowed. I believe in proper context the bible is quite clear on this topic. To proclaim and teach otherwise, Dear Reader, is a grave injustice to the work of the cross.

Here is the response, in video form and posted to the group from Jacob Prasch  and Tim Wirth – believe me, it is not pretty.

I wanted to asked the Imam, because these restrictive teachings sound more like Islam than they do Christianity, when’s the stoning?

I immediately said my peace after watching this wretched mess from a madman, and left the group. Tim unfriended me without cause. I don’t understand how it is we cannot have civil and meaningful conversation. What are they so afraid of?

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beseech you to walk worthily of the calling wherewith ye were called, 2with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3giving diligence to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

There will be more to come regarding what I believe to be biblical regarding women. This will be done with a group of friends so expect to see it on another blog as well as this one.

Blessing and Peace in Jesus. And thank you all for your encouragement, love and prayers over the years. I pray we STAND.

A Series of Unfortunate Events

My friends at Closing Stages pointing out the fallacies behind the statements Jacob Prasch has made – “Because of the fall, women are hyper-sensitive, men are insensitive”.

An Encounter With A Madman..or Two..

AN IMPORTANT UPDATE:

I am pleased and thankful to provide notice that the man named in this article, Tim Wirth, has left Moriel and all of its associations. Tim reports that the Lord opened his eyes to the wrongdoings at Moriel and has resigned because of the things he witnessed. He now works to expose the error in prayerful hopes that others will recognize the same. We know Jacob Prasch has waned worse and worse in compromise and decimation of the word of God, and that he continues to rail and insult anyone who stands against him. So, again, beware.

Blessings,

M’Kayla

Several years ago I came upon the teachings and writings of a very well known teacher, Jacob Prasch. We have had a little bit of discussion regarding his teachings and his not so nice temperament when others came forward and told of their experiences. I believe I have lost some readers because of his cruelty toward them.

Since there is always two sides to a story I was bothered, but moved on. Well, now I have had my own encounter and this is what I am here to expose. Here is where I will ask your forgiveness. I understand now the gravity of his abuse yet remain shaken.

Believe me, I am not happy to write this but it must be said.

For the last year, I have been listening to him quite a bit. I joined a couple of Moriel Friends groups on Facebook, most importantly for our discussion, Friends of Moriel TV, created and moderated by Tim Wirth. Tim has become involved with Moriel creating videos and doing radio work for the Moriel ministry. I became friends with Tim on Facebook a while back after he found  my blog. He commended me for my work and we often exchanged ideas and short conversation through the private message option on Facebook. I grew to believe I could trust him which was a mistake, in retrospect.

A few days ago, Friends of Moriel TV, put out several videos that addressed the topic of women teaching men, coverings, why they “need a Mordecai”, etc. The teaching in these videos by Jacob was poorly done, more personal opinion than scripture. The points made were, well, not made – disjointed thoughts with very little scriptural backing. We would expect more from a man who is known for his claims of biblical knowledge and understanding of scripture, history and context in several languages.

I began to discuss these videos with a dear friend of mine as both of us were quite concerned. One of our concerns was the way the other women in the group reacted to his teachings. When I say cult-like I am not being dramatic. One poor woman stated that she is waiting for her Mordecai. Huh?

I posed a comment in the group for Jacob. You see, if women are indeed to remain silent, or to teach only women, why is it that I, and many other women like me, who are not married and not involved in a church – aka – not under a “covering” able to speak and explain the word of God?

Here is my comment that I copied from the Moriel group, tagging Tim Wirth –

M’Kayla Kelly Tim Wirth – I would like to pose a question in using my own experience and the work I have done which you are aware of. I am not married, I do not belong to a church. Yet, my work in exposing the false teachings of the International Association of Healing Rooms, the false prophetic movement, John Paul Jackson’s dreams and visions, etc., has proved to be quite effective in helping many, many people. This includes men. And it extends beyond just the blogging as I have communicated through e-mail and had telephone conversations with both women and men who have come to me for help. I have been put in the position to expose and to confront the male pastors and ministry leaders I once worked side by side with regarding their deceptive teachings and followings.

I feel something very important has been left out in these videos regarding women. I have a great respect for Jacob – have prayed for him and his family, the ministry, illness, and have often times defended his teaching to those who do not understand midrash, etc., and unfortunately would rather spread gossip about him than listen to the truth. As I have told you, I hold Jacob in high regard and respect.

Given the fact that God knows everything, it comes to no surprise to him that one day women would be operating in these areas, without supposed need for a Mordecai “covering”. In addition, the scriptures make a clear distinction between wives and women.

There is evidence in deeper study, certain women were restricted for specific reasons, during a specific time frame, but it did not apply to all women throughout all time. I am only a bit familiar with the thinking of St Augustine regarding women, which is horrendous, yet I am seeing it reflected in these videos. We can name Piper, McArthur, the list is long…

I am thankful the Lord restored my mind and my relationship with him. All the learning I did in coming out of the deception in 2008 was through him. There was no one to help me understand, yet through the Holy Spirit the truth of scripture unfolded, resulting in the ability to expose the false doctrine and lead others out, and yes, teach men as well. A great burden was placed on me to right the wrong I had done through my own false witness, false prophetic words and in being a leader in these things. It was huge to me and the grief was worse than what I experienced in the loss of my daughter. However, it was never my plan to do these things, it just happened that way, thru the leading and yes – blessing of the Lord.

I blog, I have done 4 interviews through the internet, blogtalk and a couple of others, and I am currently writing a book and am considering my own blogtalk radio.

Do men listen to me? Yes, they do and just as we see in the NT, they commend me for it. And you are one of those men, Tim. I am asking Jacob to rethink these videos because I believe they are damaging and doing an injustice to Christian women who are being led to battle, side by side with the men just as we have been doing throughout time. And as I said, there is evidence that women had more freedom in the NT than what is being presented.

As for a covering, mine is named Jesus Christ. Please consider there are women all over the world who will tell you the same as I have. We are not usurping men. We are not Jezebels. We are not out of sync. We are certainly not hens. We are true Christian women who are fighting for the cause of Christ in the hopes of saving others. We are the women who know one day it may be necessary to lay down our lives for our faith. Please Jacob, I am respectfully asking you to reconsider. And don’t insist we wear the spiritual burqa, as I for one, will not. There is too much at stake.

Just after I posted this comment, I also sent it to Moriel.org, yet told no one I had done this. Shortly afterward, Tim began to private message me which went on for quite a few hours that same day and began again early the next morning. You see, Tim stated he has read my blog and found it to be quite helpful, yet he stated that what I did was not actually “teaching doctrine”.  He kept trying to reassure me that no one had called me a Jezebel, which I never thought or claimed had taken place. He seemed desperate in his attempts and could not seem to understand that I had several times simply requested that my comment be passed to Jacob for review.

Let me add, I do not care whether or not a person believes I am teaching doctrine. I have settled the “woman shut up and sit down” argument years ago after doing research on my own.  I was remiss to not post it here on my blog, but there had been so much going on in my life and things I needed to do pertaining to the blog that I lost sight of it. My apologies.

My concern, if Jacob has such a deep knowledge of the bible and the original languages, why does he come to completely different conclusions than others who have the same kind of education and knowledge? I am speaking of The Key Word Hebrew-Greek Study Bible, edited by Spiros Zodhiates. Or, the writings of Richard and Katherine Clark-Kroeger in “I Suffer Not a Woman”. And I know there are more to be listed but theses will suffice for the point.

I have no qualms and no problem accepting the order God has put in place. I do however believe that women have been given much more freedom to minister in their gifts than man has allowed. I believe in proper context the bible is quite clear on this topic. To proclaim and teach otherwise, Dear Reader, is a grave injustice to the work of the cross.

Here is the response, in video form and posted to the group from Jacob Prasch  and Tim Wirth – believe me, it is not pretty.

I wanted to asked the Imam, because these restrictive teachings sound more like Islam than they do Christianity, when’s the stoning?

I immediately said my peace after watching this wretched mess from a madman, and left the group. Tim unfriended me without cause. I don’t understand how it is we cannot have civil and meaningful conversation. What are they so afraid of?

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beseech you to walk worthily of the calling wherewith ye were called, 2with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3giving diligence to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

There will be more to come regarding what I believe to be biblical regarding women. This will be done with a group of friends so expect to see it on another blog as well as this one.

Blessing and Peace in Jesus. And thank you all for your encouragement, love and prayers over the years. I pray we STAND.

John MacArthur and His Dangerous Ideas About Women

The following is an article I wrote about 2 years ago when the topic came up in a group I once moderated. Since the writing of this article I have become aware of quite a few inconsistencies in John MacArthur’s teachings. These articles, written by another blogger will be posted separately.

I am not a follower of JM’s teachings and I never have been. He simply wasn’t in my loop of liars. John has taken a recent strong stand against “charismania”, and rightly so, but he is quite off in other teachings which makes him just as dangerous as the lies he attempts to expose. I know the masses will hate me, but we are talking about biblical truth, not a popularity contest.

Again, be careful who you follow. And above all, allow the work of the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth. Be safe.

This is a sermon from John MacArthur at

“http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/90-99

” The Feminist Agenda –

a confused mix of biblical teaching regarding the role of women and submission, feminism and Gnostic beliefs. I have no argument with the scriptures JM offers to establish the role of women. Unfortunately, he went off on his own when he states the following –

 

Now all of that is very, very clear. There’s really no way scripturally to evade those things. But it’s amazing to me how confused women are today, even in the church, about their role. And they are confused because there is a massive effort, the troops have been sent out from the fortress called the “Feminist Agenda,” to spread their philosophy throughout this society. Radical feminism has so brainwashed our culture that church leaders and church members have even capitulated to the lies. And as a result, marriage and the family, the primary building blocks of social and moral order, are in shambles. Much of this can be laid at the feet of the Feminist Movement because it has overturned the thinking of women so dramatically that they have abandoned their God-intended role and consequently the family has felt the consequences. Unthinking believers, untaught Christians have become prey to the ideology of the feminists.

 

And frankly, most of us probably have no real idea of what the feminist agenda is at its core. It is frightening and it is fatal. What the public sees is that women want equal pay. Well, you can’t really argue against that. What the public sees is that women want to be free from certain social strictures. Well that’s certainly reasonable. But it goes way beyond that, way beyond that.

 

A cry for equality, a cry for opportunity, a cry for equal privilege to use their abilities unhindered and unrestricted and the rhetoric sounds fairly sensible. But the real agenda is much more serious. Listen to it.

 

I am quite angry that JM believes Christian women are so influenced by the world that they no longer know their roles, as tho we do not hear the Holy Spirit and instead follow the world. Not all of us, but he has no place in his article for real women of God!

 

He continues –

You remember Eve liberated herself from Adam’s authority, plunged the whole human race into sin, wanted to operate independently without the headship of her husband. That’s precisely what Satan wanted. And that’s when it all got cranked up.

 

Nowhere in the word is Eve solely given responsibility for the fall of man as she is here, or are we given evidence that she wanted to operate outside of his authority! (I won’t go into this, but I do have a research article I will link at the end of this one.) Eve was deceived.

  

“http://www.gty.org/resources/positions/P00/answering-the-key-questions-about-the-family”

The marital relationship is more intimate, personal, and inward than that of a master and slave. That is indicated in Ephesians 5:22 by the phrase “your own husbands.” The husband-wife relationship is built on an intimate possessiveness. The verse seems to imply that it is assumed the wife would willingly respond in submission to one whom she possesses.

 

What if the husband isn’t seeking to fulfill his role? What if he abdicates his position of leadership and leaves it to the wife to be the head of the home? It happens frequently, and especially in the realm of spiritual authority.

 

I once received a letter from a wife who wrote, “I’ve made a terrible mistake. I tried to be submissive to my husband, but he wouldn’t take the leadership. Little by little I took it over, and now I’m dominating and he will never take the leadership. How do I get myself out of this mess?”

 

The answer is, go back to being submissive. Force the issue. If he doesn’t give you leadership to submit to, submit to the things you think he would like. Put yourself in the proper biblical role, and stay out of his. Then encourage him, pray for him, and support him as head of your home in every way you can. Above all, refuse to take dominant leadership of the family. Be obedient to the biblical pattern. Make suggestions and steer him quietly when absolutely necessary, but leave gaps for him to step into.

In real life, we cannot force a person to take on responsibility and no action of ours will ever change that! JM is talking in circles, still putting responsibility and blame on wives that do not belong to them.

 

My advice to women who are in danger of physical injury from their husbands is first of all to try to defuse the situation. Be careful not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. Proverbs 15:1 says, “A soft answer turns away wrath.”

 

Here he is again putting the responsibility of the actions of a husband on the wife. Anyone who works with abused women know this is simply impossible. JM is acting out of his authority and realm of understanding, even going as far as to put women in danger, when he makes comments like this one. There is nothing one person can do to diffuse the actions of another, especially an abuser.

 

 

If a violence-prone husband becomes agitated and abusive, the wife should remove herself from danger, by leaving the home if necessary. God has promised that He will not test us beyond our ability to endure, but will always make a way of escape (1 Corinthians 10:13). Sometimes escape is the only way. If you have children and they are in danger, take them someplace where you will be secure until you feel you may safely come back.

 

Abusers never provide a safe environment, and it is impossible to know when the next incident of abuse will occur because they live in cycles. A woman is never safe in that environment – never.

 

If you are not truly in any physical danger, but are merely a weary wife who is fed up with a cantankerous or disagreeable husband–even if he is an unbeliever who is hostile to the things of God–God’s desire is that you stay and pray and sanctify that husband by your presence as a beloved child of God (1 Corinthians 7:10-16). The Lord will protect you and teach you in the midst of the difficult time.

Of course, pray for your husband, submit to him in every way you can, encourage him to seek advice and counsel from other biblically-knowledgeable men–and do everything you can to heal the problems that cause him to be angry or abusive.

 

Again, he is wrong in this advice and has no place and no right to advise women in such a way. We cannot “heal” another person, nor can we do anything to prevent them from becoming abusive or violent in their actions. We do not “sanctify” anyone and many women die in their own homes at the hands of violent husbands. Where is the Lord’s protection? We have not been called to stupidity. When women are abused, they leave, period, and most should never return. I will have words with anyone who preaches, teaches or speaks otherwise. God never called us to die at the hands of our husbands!

 

In these two articles, he says some very good things. But in the role of husbands and wives, he is playing up to the husbands, placing blame and responsibility on the wives that is not theirs to carry.

 

These are just some of the problems I have found. I won’t go into an exhaustive biblical exhortation, because we should all know better. Truly, JM sounds as though he is advocating for Islamic beliefs in the rule of marriage, yes, rule – and not those of Christianity. 

 

Here is my article I wrote regarding Eve and that apple –

 

https://mkayla.wordpress.com/2011/12/03/i-am-not-eve-i-dont-even-like-apples-ok-well-only-the-green-ones/

 *If you are in an abusive relationship, please see the right sidebar toward the bottom for resources to help you get out and to heal.

Two Shall Become One Flesh

This from a man-friend and worthy of sharing!

FOR YOU LADIES:

“For this reason a MAN shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall BECOME ONE FLESH” Eph. 5:31

1. You cannot divided the number one  – – 1 divided by 1 = 1

2. Ever wonder why it wasn’t until Adam ate the fruit that both their eyes were opened? It’s because they were ONE, eve ate first but until Adam ate they could not have been plunged into spiritual darkness. The process was not complete until Adam ate. And, Adam knowingly, ate, knowing he was disobeying God.

3. Eve was not trying to liberate herself from her husband! If that were so, she would have never gave the fruit to her husband.

4. This is the most important part: Submission is a two way street in marriage, both are to submit to God, period. Both submit to each other, in different ways of course, but in reality, there is more of a submission role for the husband to the wife outlined in Ephesians 5 than there is for the wife to the husband. At the end of the day, they are still ONE.

• Husbands are to love their wives as he does his own body.

• If Husbands don’t love their wives, they don’t love themselves.

• Husbands are to nourish and cherish his wife.

• Husbands are to be “joined” to his wife. Joined in the Greek means to be glued, or cemented together.

• Husbands are to love their wives AS CHRIST LOVES THE CHURCH and gave Himself for it. 

I could go places with this but I don’t think the guy’s could endure it. So ladies, next time some preacher or your husband himself says you must submit…all you have to do is point out these five points and remind him he has a GREATER role of submission. Hope this helps. God bless!

I Am Not Eve; I don’t even like apples, ok well, only the green ones…

I continue to be amazed at the many people who hold Christian women accountable for the sin of Eve in the garden. Earlier this year I was given a workbook at a marriage conference and was shocked to find a full length picture of a woman, arm outstretched, holding an apple. So, fine. Where was the picture of Adam, where was the picture of the serpent? Not depicted, obviously freed from their responsibility in the garden scenario by the creators of the marriage workshop. How many times I have seen and heard this played out, men finding reason to blame women for their own failures, responsibility given to them by the Lord, to love, nurture, protect and guide in all things, the spiritual included; to love them as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it – Ephesians 5:26-27.

Men who are deceived, leaders following after other false leaders, apostles and prophets who have been given the place of the shepherd, will also be excused from their failure, the blame placed on the woman, or their wife who leads them into deception. Why? Because that is what women do. Men apparently have no responsibility for their actions or decisions, but to lay it upon the shoulders of their women. Really guys?

On a more personal note, the last time I approached a pastor on his decision to appoint a women’s minister who followed after Richard Foster and the Emergent Church, to their so called woman’s ministry, resulting in our decision to leave the church (among other things) and after having given him scriptures instructing us in what we were to do in that situation, I was reminded that  – I was a woman – . Wow.

Last night I found a very well written, seven part series on the fall of man, written by Bill Randles, in which part 2 he states:

Responsibility for the fall of man is laid at the feet of Adam, the father of us all, not Eve. Never in all of the revelation of God, is she seen as being primarily the cause of the fall. Adam was the person God called out immediately after the transgression, not Eve. Eve was deceived by the serpent, not Adam. The commission was given to Adam to guard and keep the garden.

Therefore it is interesting that the narrative of the fall centers around the woman. The serpent approached the woman, accused God to her, and presented his arguments to her. We are told in verse 6 that Adam was there with her, but verse six is an account of her inner thoughts which led to the transgression.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.(Genesis 3:6)

Is this not a warning that one of the tell-tale marks of the serpent is to marginalize the man from his God assigned position of primal responsibility?

And

When Adam passively allowed his wife to take the lead in the couple’s dealing with the serpent, by default he  abdicated his high calling to keep and guard the garden of God. He had been given the Word, and the commission to have dominion over the earth, not Eve.

But through the Serpent, Eve became the priest. It was Eve who mediated the serpent’s false “Word”, and she  who “ministered” to Adam the “sacrament”,(ie the forbidden fruit) . Adam perversely took part in the sinful rite which was supposed to “open their eyes” and make them wise, and to become “as gods”.

Personally, I have heard quoted Genesis 3:16 as the base scripture that a woman’s natural desire would be to rule over her husband, usurping his authority, still being under the curse.

Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.

I don’t see the meaning of usurping spiritual authority written in these words. A woman’s desire should be for her husband, to be with him, since she is a part of him, no longer two flesh, but one, created to be that way by God.

The word desire in the Hebrew is teshuwqah which Strong’s identifies the meaning as a stretching out after, longing – desire; and taken from shuq, which is to be in abundance, to overflow.

From my online English dictionary –

desire |dəˈzī(ə)r|
noun
a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen : [with infinitive ] a desire to work in the dirt with your bare hands.
• strong sexual feeling or appetite : they were clinging together in fierce mutual desire.
verb [ trans. ]
strongly wish for or want (something) : he never achieved the status he so desired | [as adj. ] ( desired) it failed to create the desired effect.
• want (someone) sexually : there had been a time, years ago, when he had desired her.
• archaic express a wish to (someone); request or entreat.
ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French desir (noun), desirer (verb), from Latin desiderare (see desiderate ).

Also translated as a longing for:

longing |ˈlô ng i ng |
noun
a yearning desire : Miranda felt a wistful longing for the old days | [with infinitive ] a longing to be free | his tale of love and longing.
adjective
having or showing such desire : her longing eyes.
DERIVATIVES
longingly adverb
long 2
verb [ intrans. ]
have a strong wish or desire : she longed for a little more excitement | [with infinitive ] we are longing to see the new baby.
ORIGIN Old English langian [grow long, prolong,] also [dwell in thought, yearn,] of Germanic origin; related to Dutch langen ‘present, offer’ and German langen ‘reach, extend.’

In all that I still cannot connect the “usurping authority” thing because it simply and clearly is not there. You know how the scripture warns us of other gospels, of another jesus, well, it seems there is another garden scenario as well, another Eve. Lets be careful in how we continue to tell the outcome of this story.

Eve (before she was so named) was created as a helpmeet to her husband Adam, such would be the Godly role for all wives in the future. This is a place of help, just as it implies, not a place of selfish rule or stolen authority, but one to give wise and Godly counsel to him through the various issues and circumstances of their lives together. It is to love him, to honor him and to support him. This role does not imply spiritual authority, but one of submission, she to her husband as to the Lord, and he to her and to the Lord. Submission in that order is most important, one cannot operate without the other.

Wives who are looking to serve their Lord in all that implies, are not looking to control their husbands. It is spiritually impossible. They are looking also to please their husbands, through their own desire and longing for him, expressed in the ways of marriage and in the words “Your desire will be for your husband”.

The second part of verse 16 “he will rule over you” implies the true way of the flesh, manifested in man, which is always to rule over another, very often over woman, or the one who is weaker. God did not create or command one to rule over another in any gender role, but one is to lead in love, the way Jesus lead, in the way of a true servant. So the idea that a husband would rule over his wife, or that a wife would rule over her husband – which is the way often taught, yet not expressed in these words-  is completely out of context of the whole counsel of the bible.

I believe verse 16 was a warning to women and to men in the way their lives together would go, so long as there is not proper submission – authority and love, in the  manner laid out by God. As long as women are considered as sinners, the relationship between the two will be flawed, whether it be in marriage or ministry. Remember, Adam willingly gave over his God-given authority in a passive manner and Eve stepped in. When the natural course of creation is not followed, the unnatural takes over.

Consider so many women who are abused and battered throughout the world, hidden in their homes, some literally cloaked in black, heavy material constantly carrying the burden of the sin of another on their small shoulders. Consider also the same kind of black, heavy, spiritual cloaking done to Christian women over the years and through the misuse of this scripture, demonically twisted and distorted and taught as truth.

(I am aware of many women who seek to rule over their husbands, their churches and ministries in ways not appointed to them by God. They, however, are not the topic of this discussion.)

To conclude and teach women “Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you”  is God’s design as part of the curse from the fall, and that she will never be free from the need to control, is nothing short of spiritual abuse and is a lie from the pit of hell. We are not responsible for the sin of Eve, nor for the failure of Adam. We are forgiven and free to serve our Lord as He calls.

When the husband refuses to lead in the spiritual sense, what’s a girl to do? Cling to the One who died for us, who did not count it as loss to give up His place in heaven to die for our sins. His name is Jesus and He counts us a co-heirs with the men He also died for.

I am not Eve, nor are my sisters in Christ- we are free, forgiven, having been washed in the blood, longing for the day when Christ returns, submitted to His will for His purpose, for His glory, willingly laying down our own unfulfilled longings and desires for His. To God be the glory for delivering us from bondage and granting us the leading of the Holy Spirit in comfort, peace and in truth.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ²⁸ There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ²⁹ And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.